Redskins Acquire Vikings' James In Trade

[GSPODS]

so contrary to popular opinion, not all attorneys are annoying.

Certainly, a debatable point.

You've hurt my last feeling.

[yupchagee]

so contrary to popular opinion, not all attorneys are annoying.

Certainly, a debatable point.

Don't get them started.

[PulpExposure]

Please, stop with the incessant arguing over minutiae and semantics. It's getting really old. You have some valuable comments, but they're lost in the sea of posts you make over little points, which have no value.

He's a lawyer. What do you expect?

Not that this has anything to do with the discussion topic, but I think PulpExposure has previously indicated he is also an attorney, so contrary to popular opinion, not all attorneys are annoying. Just those of us who go out of our way to be. I'll stop now.

That I am, and Countertrey, you wound me deeply.

Most attorneys are annoying

[welch]

Hmm. Maybe the direction this thread should go is toward The End. Or toward training camp. It's hard to discuss the Redskins when there's nothing happening.

[GSPODS]

It's hard to discuss the Redskins when there's nothing happening.

The Voice Of Reason. It would be nice if there was anything happening in the way of Washington Redskins news or events. IMO, the number one cause of threads going off-topic is the lack of discussion material.

[spudstr04]

As soon as defensive end Erasmus James arrived at Redskins Park, team officials told him to slim down about 15-20 pounds.

That was all James needed to hear to know that the May 27 trade sending him from the Minnesota Vikings to the Redskins was a good thing.

James, who stands at 6-4, played at 275 pounds during his three seasons in Minnesota. That was about 15 pounds heavier than his playing weight at the University of Wisconsin.

"I'm excited to get back down to [about 260 pounds] because that's where I think I'm best at," he said.

James's position coach in college was John Palermo, who is currently the Redskins' defensive line coach.

He excelled under Palermo, logging 124 tackles, 18 sacks and seven forced fumbles in his career. He even earned the nickname "The Eraser" for his pass-rushing ability.


"It's a big plus to be back with Coach Palermo," James said. "I understand what he wants and what he expects from me."

Each of the last two years in Minnesota, James suffered knee ligament injuries, including a torn ACL. He finished both years on the club's injured reserve list.

When the Vikings signed Pro Bowl defensive end Jared Allen in free agency this offseason, James was suddenly expendable.

It was a surprising fall for James, who was a first-round draft pick (18th overall) in 2005.

He sees an opportunity in Washington to rejuvenate his career. He originally visited Redskins Park in April 2005 on a visit as a prospective draft pick.

"The trade did come as a surprise, but at the same time I'm very happy to be here," he said. "I came here on a visit before the 2005 draft, so now I'm finally here and everything is working out for the best."

Defensive coordinator Greg Blache called James the "icing on the cake" of the Redskins' offseason.

"He was a guy we picked up late, and he was not in the plans early on," Blache said. "If we are smart about it, we can maximize him and get whatever he has got in the tank out of him.

"Where coaches go awry is when they take a guy and push him to play before he is ready. We're going to let Erasmus play when he is ready. If it takes us a little while, we'll have the patience for him to get well."

James's most recent surgery was last December to repair a torn ACL in his left knee.

He is in the last stage of his rehab from that surgery.

"I tried to come back too fast the first time I had surgery [in 2006] and now the second time I want to do it right," he said. "I think I've found a great place to try to get that done."

James is attending the Redskins' OTA practices this week. He is watching from the sidelines while working with Larry Hess, the team's physical therapist.

"I'm excited about getting back on the field," he said. "My knee is feeling better. I'm about a month to two months off, so I should be ready for training camp."

http://redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=36110

I am LOVING this trade...and he is wearing #78....may be we can turn this dude into a smaller Bruce Smith. I know that he's an injury risk, but with his old college coach pushing him, I do not see how this can be bad. Even is he goes on IR, we don't lose anything but a 7th rounder.

[yupchagee]

As soon as defensive end Erasmus James arrived at Redskins Park, team officials told him to slim down about 15-20 pounds.

That was all James needed to hear to know that the May 27 trade sending him from the Minnesota Vikings to the Redskins was a good thing.

James, who stands at 6-4, played at 275 pounds during his three seasons in Minnesota. That was about 15 pounds heavier than his playing weight at the University of Wisconsin.

"I'm excited to get back down to [about 260 pounds] because that's where I think I'm best at," he said.

James's position coach in college was John Palermo, who is currently the Redskins' defensive line coach.

He excelled under Palermo, logging 124 tackles, 18 sacks and seven forced fumbles in his career. He even earned the nickname "The Eraser" for his pass-rushing ability.


"It's a big plus to be back with Coach Palermo," James said. "I understand what he wants and what he expects from me."

Each of the last two years in Minnesota, James suffered knee ligament injuries, including a torn ACL. He finished both years on the club's injured reserve list.

When the Vikings signed Pro Bowl defensive end Jared Allen in free agency this offseason, James was suddenly expendable.

It was a surprising fall for James, who was a first-round draft pick (18th overall) in 2005.

He sees an opportunity in Washington to rejuvenate his career. He originally visited Redskins Park in April 2005 on a visit as a prospective draft pick.

"The trade did come as a surprise, but at the same time I'm very happy to be here," he said. "I came here on a visit before the 2005 draft, so now I'm finally here and everything is working out for the best."

Defensive coordinator Greg Blache called James the "icing on the cake" of the Redskins' offseason.

"He was a guy we picked up late, and he was not in the plans early on," Blache said. "If we are smart about it, we can maximize him and get whatever he has got in the tank out of him.

"Where coaches go awry is when they take a guy and push him to play before he is ready. We're going to let Erasmus play when he is ready. If it takes us a little while, we'll have the patience for him to get well."

James's most recent surgery was last December to repair a torn ACL in his left knee.

He is in the last stage of his rehab from that surgery.

"I tried to come back too fast the first time I had surgery [in 2006] and now the second time I want to do it right," he said. "I think I've found a great place to try to get that done."

James is attending the Redskins' OTA practices this week. He is watching from the sidelines while working with Larry Hess, the team's physical therapist.

"I'm excited about getting back on the field," he said. "My knee is feeling better. I'm about a month to two months off, so I should be ready for training camp."

http://redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=36110

I am LOVING this trade...and he is wearing #78....may be we can turn this dude into a smaller Bruce Smith. I know that he's an injury risk, but with his old college coach pushing him, I do not see how this can be bad. Even is he goes on IR, we don't lose anything but a 7th rounder.

If he goes on IR we lose nothing. The 7th rnd pick is ONLY if he makes the 53 man roster.

[1niksder]

Team Hopes Its Patience Is Rewarded With a Healthy Contribution From Defensive End

By Jason Reid
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 3, 2008; Page E07

Defensive linemen participated in drills during organized team activities yesterday at Redskins Park, but recently acquired end Erasmus James was not with his position group. James stood at the opposite end of the field and worked individually with the training staff, continuing his rehab after having reconstructive knee surgery twice in the previous two seasons.

James moved slowly in his first day with Washington, taking small steps in an attempt to regain the form that helped him become a first-round draft pick three years ago. The Redskins acquired James from the Minnesota Vikings last week for a conditional seventh-round pick, and they plan to exercise patience with him, coaches said, hoping he can help fill their need for a productive, young pass-rushing end.

The team did not address the position in free agency or early in the draft, so there is room for James, who is eager for a fresh start after his disappointing experience in Minnesota. The process has started, and the Redskins will monitor it closely.

"If we're smart about it, whatever he's got in his tank, we can get it out of him," defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. "Where coaches go awry is when they try to take a guy and push him and make him play before he's ready. We're going to let him play when he's ready. If it takes us a little while, we'll have the patience to wait for him to get well. . . . The secret is that if you can get him healthy and keep him healthy, you're going to have a good football player."

James is expected to be at full strength for training camp, which is expected to begin July 20. He is under contract for two more seasons (James has salaries of $695,000 in 2008 and $1 million in 2009), and the Redskins gave up little to get him, so the move could work out well if James recovers and makes an impact.

Don't sound like anyone is looking at sticking him on IR to save that 7th round pick

[SkinsFreak]

Having James slim down is a wise move. He'll regain some quickness and agility off the edge. I'm willing to bet with proper training and health management, if you will, Palermo will get more out of him than they did in Minny. Similar to Smoot's situation, imo. I think we have better defensive coaches here and it appears James really wants to prove his talents Palermo instilled in him with the Badgers. Another good move by our front office, imo.

[GSPODS]

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[1niksder]

Defensive linemen participated in drills during organized team activities yesterday at Redskins Park, but recently acquired end Erasmus James was not with his position group. James stood at the opposite end of the field and worked individually with the training staff, continuing his rehab after having reconstructive knee surgery twice in the previous two seasons.

James moved slowly in his first day with Washington, taking small steps in an attempt to regain the form that helped him become a first-round draft pick three years ago. The Redskins acquired James from the Minnesota Vikings last week for a conditional seventh-round pick, and they plan to exercise patience with him, coaches said, hoping he can help fill their need for a productive, young pass-rushing end.

The team did not address the position in free agency or early in the draft, so there is room for James, who is eager for a fresh start after his disappointing experience in Minnesota. The process has started, and the Redskins will monitor it closely.

"If we're smart about it, whatever he's got in his tank, we can get it out of him," defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. "Where coaches go awry is when they try to take a guy and push him and make him play before he's ready. We're going to let him play when he's ready. If it takes us a little while, we'll have the patience to wait for him to get well. . . . The secret is that if you can get him healthy and keep him healthy, you're going to have a good football player."

James is expected to be at full strength for training camp, which is expected to begin July 20. He is under contract for two more seasons (James has salaries of $695,000 in 2008 and $1 million in 2009), and the Redskins gave up little to get him, so the move could work out well if James recovers and makes an impact.


"The thing that I'm told is that he's at about 90 percent," Coach Jim Zorn said. "I don't even know what that means yet because maybe at 100 percent he's wild. That's what I'm hoping.

"What we're going to do is bring him along . . . and work through the final stages of his rehab. I expect him to be a part of training camp. I don't expect to see a lot out here right now."

Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels are projected as the starting defensive ends. Demetric Evans and Chris Wilson are the primary backups. A contribution from James this fall would be "icing on the cake," Blache said.

The Redskins were among many teams that had James, an all-American at Wisconsin as a senior, among the highest-rated defensive ends in the 2005 draft. The Vikings selected James with the 18th overall pick, and he had four sacks and 28 tackles as a rookie.

James

Posting to increase your post count is shameful, at one point you I thought you replied to post just to say you replied but posting the same article and link 12 hours after someone else has posted it make it too obvious.

[GSPODS]

Posting to increase your post count is shameful, at one point you I thought you replied to post just to say you replied but posting the same article and link 12 hours after someone else has posted it make it too obvious.

That wasn't intentional. I think I need to take a break from posting.

[1niksder]

Posting to increase your post count is shameful, at one point you I thought you replied to post just to say you replied but posting the same article and link 12 hours after someone else has posted it make it too obvious.

That wasn't intentional. I think I need to take a break from posting.

Or you might want to read what is posted in the thread, prior to you adding to the thread, if nothing else you stay on topic.

Can't see how you missed it. I included the writers name, Title and Sib title of the peice, and the paper that published it along with the link. Did you even read what you posted? And does this mean this is no longer a meaningless discussion?

[GSPODS]

Posting to increase your post count is shameful, at one point you I thought you replied to post just to say you replied but posting the same article and link 12 hours after someone else has posted it make it too obvious.

That wasn't intentional. I think I need to take a break from posting.

Or you might want to read what is posted in the thread, prior to you adding to the thread, if nothing else you stay on topic.

Can't see how you missed it. I included the writers name, Title and Sib title of the peice, and the paper that published it along with the link. Did you even read what you posted? And does this mean this is no longer a meaningless discussion?

Who said this was a meaningless discussion?
OK. I did say this is a meaningless discussion. And I still stand by that until we know from a reliable source, meaning something other than JLC's blog, that James will still be on the roster come final cuts. If he needs to lose 15 pounds, and he is working out by himself instead of with the team, both his playing weight and his health are of concern. If the Vikings thought James was worth any value to speak of, it is doubtful they would have traded his rights for a conditional 7th round draft selection.

I'm still not convinced he will be healthy enough to make this season's active roster. And even if he, by some miracle, is both healthy and loses 15 pounds, he still has plenty of competition. It isn't reasonable to think the Redskins will simply make room for James by cutting players who have performed in the past, even if only on a limited basis. Carter, Daniels, Evans and Wilson are pretty much locks. Jackson, Huntley, Davis, Buzbee, and now James are battling for probably one roster position. Huntley and Buzbee have the prototypical frame for a defensive end, whereas Jackson, Davis, Buzbee and Wilson are all under-sized. A healthy Erasmus James probably wins out over any of these players, with his combination of prototypical frame, playing experience and potential as an every down defensive end.

But, if failing the Vikings physical, being 15 pounds heavy and only participating in individual workouts equals a healthy Erasmus James, then I'm the Blessed Virgin Mary. Half of the team is "Expected" to be healthy by training camp. And I'm expecting to win the PowerBall.

[SkinsFreak]

But, if failing the Vikings physical, being 15 pounds heavy and only participating in individual workouts equals a healthy Erasmus James, then I'm the Blessed Virgin Mary. Half of the team is "Expected" to be healthy by training camp. And I'm expecting to win the PowerBall.

Again, you're arguing nothing, posting just to post, not reading what you and others have posted and not comprehending the coaches intentions.

They didn't say he was healthy now, they'll be patient and wait. His former playing weight was dictated by Minny. The Skins want him to slim down, as does James, so what's the big deal?

"If we're smart about it, whatever he's got in his tank, we can get it out of him," defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. "Where coaches go awry is when they try to take a guy and push him and make him play before he's ready. We're going to let him play when he's ready. If it takes us a little while, we'll have the patience to wait for him to get well. . . . The secret is that if you can get him healthy and keep him healthy, you're going to have a good football player."

James is expected to be at full strength for training camp, which is expected to begin July 20.

You're not convinced because you simply need something to post about.

[Fios]

Please let this topic die folks

[GSPODS]

Please let this topic die folks

If you chose to kill this thread, it certainly would not hurt my feelings.

[1niksder]

Please let this topic die folks

If you chose to kill this thread, it certainly would not hurt my feelings.

We don't "kill" threads, we let them die unless you take them too far off topic.

Plus you add so much to this meaningless topic simply by trying to prove it meaningless.

Who said this was a meaningless discussion?
OK. I did say this is a meaningless discussion. And I still stand by that until we know from a reliable source, meaning something other than JLC's blog, that James will still be on the roster come final cuts.

In other words we have no reason to discuss any player unless we no for sure they will make the final roster. Don't we spend all off-season talking about players that could help the team although the aren't even on the roster and the team may not even be thinking of adding said player?

If he needs to lose 15 pounds, and he is working out by himself instead of with the team, both his playing weight and his health are of concern. If the Vikings thought James was worth any value to speak of, it is doubtful they would have traded his rights for a conditional 7th round draft selection.

He doesn't need to lose 15 pounds. he wants to get down to the same playing wieght that he played at before turning pro, it so happens his new/old D-line coach felt the same way and asked him about it. Have you thought about his playing weight being the cause of his health concerns? Or are you wiating for JLC or some other blogger to put it in you thoughts.

Maybe he has had three knee problems because the Vikings didn't know what they were doing when they had him bulk up after drafting him, maybe his lower body just can carry the extra weight.
As far as the Vikings letting him go for only a 7th telling us something that's meaningless. They had cut him and didn't want anything for him. A failed physical is one step below a injury settlement , yet you keep harping on it. The coach didn't want him on the roster just like he didn't want anyone else that Tice brought in during his last year. Not only Smoot and others last year, but Tice's last draft had about 9 picks (three in the first rounders) are all gone less a 4th rounder that will more than likely get cut during their training camp

I'm still not convinced he will be healthy enough to make this season's active roster. And even if he, by some miracle, is both healthy and loses 15 pounds, he still has plenty of competition. It isn't reasonable to think the Redskins will simply make room for James by cutting players who have performed in the past, even if only on a limited basis.

You don't have to be convinced, just the people that are paid to be. Like the last guy that opened him, he thinks he'll be ready and he also happens to be the Redskins team doctor. Reports are he came in with the knee at 90% and TC isn't until June. Losing 15 pounds of weight you didn't want to start with shouldn't be hard for a professional ballplayer that's already rehabbing.

Carter, Daniels, Evans and Wilson are pretty much locks. Jackson, Huntley, Davis, Buzbee, and now James are battling for probably one roster position. Huntley and Buzbee have the prototypical frame for a defensive end, whereas Jackson, Davis, Buzbee and Wilson are all under-sized. A healthy Erasmus James probably wins out over any of these players, with his combination of prototypical frame, playing experience and potential as an every down defensive end.

I think Davis has a better shot the the rookie Jackson and Buzbee and Wilson will fight for the spot you say Wilson has a lock on. The team has said they will look at playing Daniela more at DT so they may keep 6 DE.
You see no reason to believe James won't be on IR or PUP in 2008 and I see no reason not to see him lined up along side Dainels, Golston/Griff, and Carter thoughout the 2008 season. Not sure what you are lookin at but maybe it sould be doubled checked.

But, if failing the Vikings physical, being 15 pounds heavy and only participating in individual workouts equals a healthy Erasmus James, then I'm the Blessed Virgin Mary. Half of the team is "Expected" to be healthy by training camp. And I'm expecting to win the PowerBall.

Actually there is only one or two player that aren't expected to be healthy by training camp (a main reason for a off-season) and as of now James isn't one of them. So what the problem is ... Mary

[VetSkinsFan]

Please let this topic die folks

If you chose to kill this thread, it certainly would not hurt my feelings.

We don't "kill" threads, we let them die unless you take them too far off topic.

Plus you add so much to this meaningless topic simply by trying to prove it meaningless.

Who said this was a meaningless discussion?
OK. I did say this is a meaningless discussion. And I still stand by that until we know from a reliable source, meaning something other than JLC's blog, that James will still be on the roster come final cuts.

In other words we have no reason to discuss any player unless we no for sure they will make the final roster. Don't we spend all off-season talking about players that could help the team although the aren't even on the roster and the team may not even be thinking of adding said player?

If he needs to lose 15 pounds, and he is working out by himself instead of with the team, both his playing weight and his health are of concern. If the Vikings thought James was worth any value to speak of, it is doubtful they would have traded his rights for a conditional 7th round draft selection.

He doesn't need to lose 15 pounds. he wants to get down to the same playing wieght that he played at before turning pro, it so happens his new/old D-line coach felt the same way and asked him about it. Have you thought about his playing weight being the cause of his health concerns? Or are you wiating for JLC or some other blogger to put it in you thoughts.

Maybe he has had three knee problems because the Vikings didn't know what they were doing when they had him bulk up after drafting him, maybe his lower body just can carry the extra weight.
As far as the Vikings letting him go for only a 7th telling us something that's meaningless. They had cut him and didn't want anything for him. A failed physical is one step below a injury settlement , yet you keep harping on it. The coach didn't want him on the roster just like he didn't want anyone else that Tice brought in during his last year. Not only Smoot and others last year, but Tice's last draft had about 9 picks (three in the first rounders) are all gone less a 4th rounder that will more than likely get cut during their training camp

I'm still not convinced he will be healthy enough to make this season's active roster. And even if he, by some miracle, is both healthy and loses 15 pounds, he still has plenty of competition. It isn't reasonable to think the Redskins will simply make room for James by cutting players who have performed in the past, even if only on a limited basis.

You don't have to be convinced, just the people that are paid to be. Like the last guy that opened him, he thinks he'll be ready and he also happens to be the Redskins team doctor. Reports are he came in with the knee at 90% and TC isn't until June. Losing 15 pounds of weight you didn't want to start with shouldn't be hard for a professional ballplayer that's already rehabbing.

Carter, Daniels, Evans and Wilson are pretty much locks. Jackson, Huntley, Davis, Buzbee, and now James are battling for probably one roster position. Huntley and Buzbee have the prototypical frame for a defensive end, whereas Jackson, Davis, Buzbee and Wilson are all under-sized. A healthy Erasmus James probably wins out over any of these players, with his combination of prototypical frame, playing experience and potential as an every down defensive end.

I think Davis has a better shot the the rookie Jackson and Buzbee and Wilson will fight for the spot you say Wilson has a lock on. The team has said they will look at playing Daniela more at DT so they may keep 6 DE.
You see no reason to believe James won't be on IR or PUP in 2008 and I see no reason not to see him lined up along side Dainels, Golston/Griff, and Carter thoughout the 2008 season. Not sure what you are lookin at but maybe it sould be doubled checked.

But, if failing the Vikings physical, being 15 pounds heavy and only participating in individual workouts equals a healthy Erasmus James, then I'm the Blessed Virgin Mary. Half of the team is "Expected" to be healthy by training camp. And I'm expecting to win the PowerBall.

Actually there is only one or two player that aren't expected to be healthy by training camp (a main reason for a off-season) and as of now James isn't one of them. So what the problem is ... Mary

[yupchagee]

I think Davis has a better shot the the rookie Jackson and Buzbee and Wilson will fight for the spot you say Wilson has a lock on. The team has said they will look at playing Daniela more at DT so they may keep 6 DE.
You see no reason to believe James won't be on IR or PUP in 2008 and I see no reason not to see him lined up along side Dainels, Golston/Griff, and Carter thoughout the 2008 season. Not sure what you are lookin at but maybe it sould be doubled checked.

We will probably carry 9 DL's. I know we had 10 at the end of last season, but that was to protect Buzbee. Mostly, that has been 5 DT's & 4 DE's, but that could certainly switch with Daniels being used inside more. I expect wide open competition for all DE's except Daniels & Carter.

[HEROHAMO]

I hope this guy makes the cuts.

He is worth a try. He was once a first round draft pick so the talent should be there. Just hope he works his butt off. Cant be any worse than Lloyd or any other past trade busts.