VetSkinsFan wrote:Fios wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:PulpExposure wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead)
Interesting you say that, because just today the Vikings traded a 1st and TWO 3rds for Jared Allen to the Chiefs.
And that trade was idiotic as well!
But it did happen, so you'd be forced to concede that no one giving up a first is wrong.
Just b/c it happened doesn't mean it's not wrong.
Fios wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:Fios wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:PulpExposure wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead)
Interesting you say that, because just today the Vikings traded a 1st and TWO 3rds for Jared Allen to the Chiefs.
And that trade was idiotic as well!
But it did happen, so you'd be forced to concede that no one giving up a first is wrong.
Just b/c it happened doesn't mean it's not wrong.
Didn't make that claim
PulpExposure wrote:Exactly. My point is people do trade 1sts. It just happened, the day he made that statement. It also happened in 2006, when Seattle traded for Deion Branch in exchange for their 2007 first round pick.
Irn-Bru wrote:PulpExposure wrote:Exactly. My point is people do trade 1sts. It just happened, the day he made that statement. It also happened in 2006, when Seattle traded for Deion Branch in exchange for their 2007 first round pick.
Also, it isn't always foolish, either. Check out this statistical analysis on the Jared Allen trade by pro football reference.
The Redskins, I think, have been burned more often than not when draft picks are involved. But that does not mean it won't be good for the Vikings.
Irn-Bru wrote:PulpExposure wrote:Exactly. My point is people do trade 1sts. It just happened, the day he made that statement. It also happened in 2006, when Seattle traded for Deion Branch in exchange for their 2007 first round pick.
Also, it isn't always foolish, either. Check out this statistical analysis on the Jared Allen trade by pro football reference.
The Redskins, I think, have been burned more often than not when draft picks are involved. But that does not mean it won't be good for the Vikings.
Fios wrote:I, for one, am glad we played the Vikings last year ... that defensive line has the potential to be dominant.
Mursilis wrote:Fascinating, thanks for posting that link. I originally thought the Vikings gave up way too much for Allen, but obviously, it's not as bad as I think at all for them.
ey, Campbell, Rogers, McIntosh, and Blades are bright spots in our draft history.Mursilis wrote:Fascinating, thanks for posting that link. I originally thought the Vikings gave up way too much for Allen, but obviously, it's not as bad as I think at all for them.
Irn-Bru wrote:PulpExposure wrote:Exactly. My point is people do trade 1sts. It just happened, the day he made that statement. It also happened in 2006, when Seattle traded for Deion Branch in exchange for their 2007 first round pick.
Also, it isn't always foolish, either. Check out this statistical analysis on the Jared Allen trade by pro football reference.
The Redskins, I think, have been burned more often than not when draft picks are involved. But that does not mean it won't be good for the Vikings.
Fios wrote:I, for one, am glad we played the Vikings last year ... that defensive line has the potential to be dominant.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Fios wrote:I, for one, am glad we played the Vikings last year ... that defensive line has the potential to be dominant.
I wouldn't worry about it, it's not like anyone wins a Super Bowl on their defensive line. I mean sure it LOOKED like the Giants did, but Eli has the MVP trophy, so it must have been him!
Irn-Bru wrote:Mursilis wrote:Fascinating, thanks for posting that link. I originally thought the Vikings gave up way too much for Allen, but obviously, it's not as bad as I think at all for them.
By the way, the pro football reference blog is well worth bookmarking / following in general. Analysis as deep as the Jared Allen post comes up all the time, in between stuff of less interest (how many players drafted in the 3rd round share a birthday?).
Mursilis wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Fios wrote:I, for one, am glad we played the Vikings last year ... that defensive line has the potential to be dominant.
I wouldn't worry about it, it's not like anyone wins a Super Bowl on their defensive line. I mean sure it LOOKED like the Giants did, but Eli has the MVP trophy, so it must have been him!
Don't get me started! That MVP trophy going to a player NOT on the Giants defense is just ridiculous. I can only presume that because so many Giants defenders had a great game, they essentially canceled each other out in the voting.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Mursilis wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Fios wrote:I, for one, am glad we played the Vikings last year ... that defensive line has the potential to be dominant.
I wouldn't worry about it, it's not like anyone wins a Super Bowl on their defensive line. I mean sure it LOOKED like the Giants did, but Eli has the MVP trophy, so it must have been him!
Don't get me started! That MVP trophy going to a player NOT on the Giants defense is just ridiculous. I can only presume that because so many Giants defenders had a great game, they essentially canceled each other out in the voting.
agreed
Fios wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Mursilis wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Fios wrote:I, for one, am glad we played the Vikings last year ... that defensive line has the potential to be dominant.
I wouldn't worry about it, it's not like anyone wins a Super Bowl on their defensive line. I mean sure it LOOKED like the Giants did, but Eli has the MVP trophy, so it must have been him!
Don't get me started! That MVP trophy going to a player NOT on the Giants defense is just ridiculous. I can only presume that because so many Giants defenders had a great game, they essentially canceled each other out in the voting.
agreed
I'm going to guess leading his team on a Super Bowl-winning, fourth quarter, clock-eating touchdown against a previously undefeated team also played a small role.
Fios wrote:Yes, the Giants defense was outstanding and yes Tyree made an amazing catch, but that's not the only reason Eli was the hero. As you will recall, he made a pretty amazing play to get out of a sack before making that throw.
I'm just making the point that Eli as MVP wasn't a totally baseless choice.
That being said, I'm of the strong belief he will go right back to being a sub-par QB come September.
PulpExposure wrote:Yeah, but on that drive he threw a pass right to Asante Samuel that Samuel dropped as well.
Agreed, it's not out of left-field. But I'm sure the QB named Manning thing helped a little, too.
Totally agree. He's a hot and cold passer. He'll go back to chucking interceptions and passes in the turf soon enough.
During a pre-draft news conference at Redskins Park on Tuesday, owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president of football operations, praised Washington's players for having high moral character.
"You win with quality people and quality guys," Cerrato said. "We have an outstanding locker room, and we don't want to bring bad guys into a good locker room. You want to add more good guys to a good locker room."
Washington has pursued trading its first-round pick in this weekend's draft (No. 21 overall) for Cincinnati's Chad Johnson, a Pro Bowl wide receiver who has lashed out at team officials and teammates while trying to force a trade and allegedly punched Cincinnati Coach Marvin Lewis in the eye during halftime of a playoff game in 2006.
The Redskins' pursuit of Johnson -- they also offered the Bengals a conditional third-round pick in their latest known proposal -- or another top wide receiver who might be dealt before the draft is expected to continue until they pick Saturday.
Washington was rebuffed in attempts to trade for Arizona's Anquan Boldin and still might try to acquire Roy Williams of Detroit, according to league sources.
With 20 teams selecting ahead of them, the Redskins have tried to trade down because the top players they have targeted could be off the board, and their efforts probably would continue if they don't get Johnson or the other wide receivers they want to help developing quarterback Jason Campbell.
Under Snyder, Washington has been among the league's most aggressive clubs at acquiring players, and the outspoken and animated Johnson would be welcomed by the Redskins, several team leaders said after working out at the complex yesterday.
"There's always more to it than you see on the surface," middle linebacker London Fletcher said. "Obviously, he feels strongly about wanting to leave and Cincinnati feels strongly about wanting him to stay, but I wouldn't classify Chad as a problem player, so to speak. There are a lot of other players on teams that have gotten into different situations with their teams, for whatever reasons, but he's not getting into trouble with the law and things like that.
"Obviously, if we've tried to trade for him then [management] feels like he would be a good fit for us. Some situations are not always the best for you. You've seen guys go to other organizations and have great success. And if it works out here, we would more than welcome him. I know Chad wants to win."
Acquiring Johnson has been the Redskins' top offseason objective, according to league and team sources, and they are prepared to guarantee him approximately $21 million as part of a new contract. Bengals owner Mike Brown has said he would not trade Johnson despite his antics, said NFL executives who have spoken with Cincinnati, and reaching a deal also remains unlikely because the Bengals would take an $8 million salary cap hit if Johnson is traded before June.
As reported in January, Snyder and Cerrato told several of their head coaching candidates they were seeking Johnson (6 feet 1, 192 pounds) to be the primary target for Campbell. And with the team transitioning to new coach Jim Zorn's version of the West Coast offense, Cerrato has said he would prefer to provide Campbell with another proven wide receiver.
Johnson, who is represented by Drew Rosenhaus, began lobbying for a trade after the Bengals finished 7-9 last season. Johnson no longer speaks with Cincinnati reporters, but he has given interviews to national media outlets and last week told ESPN he wanted "to be traded before the draft, and if that doesn't happen, I want to be traded as soon as possible. I don't intend on reporting to anything." Johnson is signed through the 2011 season.
In another typically productive season in 2007, Johnson, 30, had 93 receptions for 1,440 yards and 8 touchdowns. In seven seasons, he has caught 559 passes for 8,365 yards and 49 touchdowns.
"With Santana [Moss] and Antwaan [Randle El], we've already got great receivers," Campbell said. "We've got a great tight end in [Chris]
Moss and Randle El are each 5-10. Moss was slowed last season because of groin and heel injuries, and Randle El had a nagging hamstring problem. The durable Johnson, who has not missed a game in the last six seasons, would provide Campbell with a big target, and he is a difference-maker, players said.
"I remember before I got here, I heard stuff about the late Sean Taylor," Randle El said. "I thought he was just going to be one of those guys who's a thug and that kind of thing, and he blew my mind when I got here. He was nothing like that, just a totally different guy than I thought he would be. That's why you shouldn't have preconceived ideas about guys."
Redskins Notes: The Redskins are expected to attend to workouts today as they put the finishing touches on their preparation for the April 26-27 draft. They are scheduled to evaluate former Oklahoma wide receiver Malcolm Kelly and former Clemson defensive end Phillip Merling at their college campuses.
If Washington fails to acquire a veteran wide receiver and retains the 21st pick, Kelly (6-4, 224 pounds) could be its top choice, team sources said. The Redskins brought him in for a visit recently and traveled to Oklahoma to attend one of his previous workouts.
Fios wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:PulpExposure wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead)
Interesting you say that, because just today the Vikings traded a 1st and TWO 3rds for Jared Allen to the Chiefs.
And that trade was idiotic as well!
But it did happen, so you'd be forced to concede that no one giving up a first is wrong.
I will not be at all surprised in 3 years to look back at this draft and find that there are about 20 or more players taken outside the top 10 in this draft who are playing in the NFL. The draft is an inexact science and nobody can really predict anything from the players - the ONLY fact is that the draft supplies an opportunity to have players on your team that are likely to play for many years We need each pick and we especially need the top picks.
i got kicked in the nads once. it sucked.GSPODS wrote:Agent Drew Rosenhaus, via video, is pleading with the Bengals to trade Chad Johnson. Link includes YouTube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQxLx4On ... ding-chad/
It's sorta genius even if it's not going to work. Our favorite part is that Rosenhaus got the Youtube clip sponsored! While Rosenhause tries to build media nad fan pressure on the Bengals, owner Mike Brown is out to make a point, and he's not going to budge. Boomer Esiason suggested that a sensible compromise would include Johnson offering to pay back his signing bonus in exchange for a ticket out of Cincinnati. Apr. 25 - 9:55 am et
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/ ... ding-chad/
