Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:57 pm
GSPODS wrote:RayNAustin wrote:Where did you supposedly find "the US Constitution does recognize international treaty ratified by congress to be US Law" in the above, which is a direct quote of the Constitution?
Post the exact enumerated power from the Constitution that states that treaties ratified by Congress become U.S. law.
Article II: [The President] shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur
Article VI: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
Excellent. All I asked for was proof you had any idea what you were talking about. There is no need to become defensive when someone askes for proof of a post that you state as fact.
Bear in mind that I am not the only person reading your post. And while I do happen to know every clause of the Constitution as a matter of my education and employment, not every member wants to research your points for you. Without posting the Proof to back the Statement, most people reach the analysis that you're simply a ranting conspiracy theorist.
Yes, excellent indeed. What disingenuous nonsense... you were just testing me aye? Puleeze And no, you did not ask anything....you very clearly suggested I was wrong, and "instructed" me to post proof supporting my statement...no asking about it. And you wound up with egg on your face, and you can't bare to admit you were in error. Anyone not born yesterday can see right through you....and your "supposedly" in depth knowledge of the constitution. The only point that was poorly researched was your statements about the constitution that I corrected you on... and I'm not here to do your research for you.
If your intentions are to be taken seriously, and to receive honest and intelligent responses to your posts, and I assume they are, I would suggest less Statement, more Proof, and concise Analysis. Most members simply don't have time to read a novella during the workday, much less to respond intelligently to numerous, random points contained within a single post.
If you are short of time, I will not be offended if you choose not to read or respond to my "novellas". And I really don't care if you take my posts seriously or not, it's still an almost free country...at least in that regard. And don't you be offended if I don't hold my breath waiting for an honest and intelligent response from you....neither of which seems to be observed in this last one.
It also hurts your cause to make off-hand commentary about anyone who does or has served in our military. Every male member of my family dating back to the Civil War has proudly served in the armed forces. You could be the most intelligent poster on the message board. Nobody cares if you are when your posts become negatively directed towards military personnel. We may disagree on whether or not we should be in the Middle East. We may argue and debate the reasons why we are there. We may argue and debate whether or not there should be immediate withdrawal, scale-down, etc..
Typical smokescreen. How dare you talk bad about our troops....yada yada. Look, the hypocrites who have those "support our troops" bumper stickers on their cars right next to the Bush/Cheney one make me want to puke. Is that concise enough for you? Right now, the only people actually supporting our troops are the people that are demanding an end to the war and the return home of those troops.
But let me be even more clear and concise....there are no sacred cows in my world, pal, and such tactics for which you are trying to employ here will only work on the weak minded. Insofar as supporting our young men and women in the armed services, I do so for those deserving of that support, which includes the majority of them, but not all. Most of them are being used by a criminal cabal that has taken over our United States of America. These criminals in DC no longer recognize the will of the people as having any import whatsoever, and most of our troops are caught between a rock and a hard place, wanting to be home, and not there. But that doesn't define all of them, and for those who choose to behave improperly, do not deserve, and will not receive my support. The servicemen and women today, unlike those of the Vietnam era are all volunteers, and they all swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. They also are instructed...in writing...black and white...to refuse oders for which they consider unlawful, placing the onus on them with regard to their actions.
Those who willingly engage in terrorizing the Iraqi population (or any population)...including torture, and those raping young girls and murdering their entire families, to those miscreants who think it's funny to grab a puppy by the scruff of their necks and toss them off cliffs will never get my support. In fact, I'd personally shoot them myself if I were to witness first hand such things. Clear enough?
Now, given your command knowledge of the constitution, surely you understand that all military operations in Iraq are in fact, unlawful, given the fact that congress has never declared war, and the constitution does not grant the congress the authority to transfer their declaration of war powers to the executive branch? Or do I need to post proof of that for you too?
What no one debates is that We The People of the United States Of America care about our men and women in the armed forces. And every side of the fence treats the People who are serving, or have served, with the dignity and respect of which they are deserving. Ask any soldier who served in VietNam if that was always the case. We continue to argue the Policy. Only your posts have the unmitigated gaull to argue with the People.
How dare you speak for "We the People"....who died and anointed you the spokesperson for the American People? And what drivel you spew. Bumper stickers and cliche's do nothing to support our troops, nor does sending them into unlawful wars improperly equipped and forcing them to remain there indefinitely under stop loss orders while simultaneously reducing their benefits and providing the wounded with inadequate and substandard care.
The entire mindset that might agree that the war was wrong to start with...but now that we are there, we must support it is total lunacy. This is how wars continue and are perpetuated. By trying to label antiwar protesters and those trying to end the war as unpatriotic and not supporting our troops (such as yourself, apparently) are in fact our troops worst enemy.
If everyone with one of those ribbons on their cars were to march on Washington and camp out in front of the Capital with pitchforks in their hands demanding an end to the war.....the congress critters would look out the window and see 30 Million angry, true American patriots, and those troops would find themselves out of harms way and safe at home in a jiffy. You can take that to the bank!
But no, were too busy thumping our chests saying "what's the matter with you, you yeller belly pinko commie Merika hatin SOB....don't you remember 911 and all those Merikins them terrorists killed?" And "what's wrong with you...our boys are over there fightiin for your freedoms so that you can protest....now shut yer mouth rite now!!
That's what our problem is...and this mindset does nothing to support the troops. I love this whole idea about our troops fighting for our freedoms in Iraq. Is that really where George Bush and Congress is sending our freedoms? Is that the new hiding place for our constitution? No...while our troops are brainwashed into believing they are fighting for our freedoms in Iraq, and Afghanistan, the District of Criminals are feverishly destroying every last one of our freedoms right here at home. Hail to the chief!
Don't bother to directly respond to this post.
Whether or not it meant anything to you will be clearly, convicingly, and perhaps painfully evident upon your next post.
I couldn't resist, sorry. Your hypocrisy is only eclipsed by your disengenuos ploys and attempts to deceive.
