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I am now upset that I sold my tickets for the dallass game

[quote="HitDoctor"]I am now upset that I sold my tickets for the dallass game [/quote]
Dude- who sells their Dallas tickets?

I think both scenarios are very plausible.....the NYG look like they are self destructing.....with the loss to us, they are probably at each others throats, and with Shockey out, the Bills will very likely win. If they do, you KNOW the Pats will beat them.

And I exppect Philly to beat NO. NO are choakers, and if they were in the NFC east, they'd already be dead meat.

As for us beating the Vikes....I expect us to thrash them. Jackson at QB will see the rath of Williams raining down on them, and though Peterson may present a challenge, I think that's all the Vikes have, and we'll find a way to take him down. They looked horrible against the Bears, and as horrible as the Bears looked, they still almost won the game. Not impressed with the Vikes....posers, nothing more. They don't have a legit QB at this point....and their pass defense is questionable.

As for us, I think Collins actually gives us a better chance to win than with JC at the moment. Not saying JC isn't the future, just that he hasn't gotten the job done yet with the games on the line. Collins makes quicker reads, and has a faster release, and has thrown the ball more accurately down field. Given the past two games to gain some rythm and confidence, and a 2 game winning streak, and his familiarity with the offense, I think he is the big sleeper here. We've actually averaged more points with Collins over the past two games against very decent defenses. Coming in off the bench last week and winning? Starting his 1st game in 10 years against the Giants at their place in horrid conditions and winning? When have we beaten the Giants at Giants Stadium?

I think we have as good a chance as anyone in the NFC if we make it in. Who are the tops seeds? Cowboys and GB? We should have won both of our games against them at THEIR place. We let both games slip away in the end and THEY know it. If you asked the Boys and GB who they'd prefer to play in the playoffs, I'd bet you the Skins would be last on the pick list.

Next week, when Philly beats N.O., and we beat the Vikes, all of a sudden everybody is going to start saying....look out, here come the Redskins.

Bills play tough at home. NY is hopeless against the Pats: Doable.

Philthy has every chance to beat the Saints. Doable too.

All we have to do is win out!

Why am I optimistic? Because aside from NE, who has beaten us this year? NOBODY. We've beaten ourselves, most of which happened due to playing way too conservative (coaching) in the second half of games. Why will that change? Because now, everything is sudden death, and there is no point in playing conservative.

Portis is finally healthy, and playing like Portis. Moss looks like Moss again. The O-Line played great against the NYG (one of the best d-lines in the league). Collins is a sleeper......he makes good reads, and gets rid of the ball quickly. On defense, Smoot and Springs are playing their butts off, and I think we have figured out how to play without ST. Landry at FS makes sense, and he's playing very well, as are a lot of guys stepping up and taking advantage of their opportunities to play.

Of course we aren't at full strength, but we certainly can play and beat anyone as was proven against the Cowboys and Packers....both road games that we should have won earlier this year.

We will beat the Vikes convincingly. I think we knowgoing in that we have to thow he ball against the Vikes,and will gameplan for that. And I like what I see with Collins throwing the ball so far. Then we have the cowgirls at home, with the playoffs on the line. Romo banged up his throwing hand, and the Cowboys will be torn between risking injury to their starters versus home field advantage for the playoffs. I think we will have a huge emotional advantage in that game, and with a win, we will be sitting with a 4 game winning streak going into the playoffs HOT.

Of course, we could also go lay an egg at the dome, and get back to the Cower for coach debate.

But I have a feeling that we are going to play the Cowboys three times this year, and win 2. Knocking them out of the Super Bowl chase would be better than winning the Super Bowl. I think they have already dusted off a spot to put the trophy, and sending them packing would be too much fun!!!

Stack the line against the vikings and leave it to Tavaris Jackson to beat us . Yes, we will win the game in the dome as long as we stop Peterson.

RayNAustin wrote:Not impressed with the Vikes....posers, nothing more. They don't have a legit QB at this point....and their pass defense is questionable.

Their pass defense gives up a buttload of yards, but they've only given up 17 passing TDs this year (8th in the league), so they're not easy to score on thru the air, and they have the 8th most sacks in the league.

If you just base their pass defense on yards, yeah, they're awful. But if you base it on points scored against, they're quite good.

Plus they have the #1 run defense in the league, giving up 3.0 ypc and only 6 TDs on the ground.

Overall, yardage wise they give up pass yards, stuff the run, and then overall they are 8th in points against. I'd rather have a team that gives up yards, than one that gives up points

And they can run the ball, consistently. Even when Peterson was "held in check" by the Bears, he still had 3.9 yards per carry.

That's not awful.

They're beatable, but in the flawed NFC, they're a pretty good team. Comparatively.

Skins need to win out to get in. That said, I feel much better about the Skins winning in Viqueensville than I do about them beating the Crackboys.

PulpExposure wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Not impressed with the Vikes....posers, nothing more. They don't have a legit QB at this point....and their pass defense is questionable.

Their pass defense gives up a buttload of yards, but they've only given up 17 passing TDs this year (8th in the league), so they're not easy to score on thru the air, and they have the 8th most sacks in the league.

If you just base their pass defense on yards, yeah, they're awful. But if you base it on points scored against, they're quite good.

Plus they have the #1 run defense in the league, giving up 3.0 ypc and only 6 TDs on the ground.

Overall, yardage wise they give up pass yards, stuff the run, and then overall they are 8th in points against. I'd rather have a team that gives up yards, than one that gives up points

And they can run the ball, consistently. Even when Peterson was "held in check" by the Bears, he still had 3.9 yards per carry.

That's not awful.

They're beatable, but in the flawed NFC, they're a pretty good team. Comparatively.

Nah! Don't listen to those sports center people. Look who they've played. Against decent teams they're not close to pretty good... They beat SD (which could be considered a bad team this year), and the strange NYG. Their other wins came against falcons, Bears, Raiders, 49ers and Det (1). They lost to most of the decent teams they played: Dallas, Philly, both GB games, KC, Det (1)

They have potential, but are still missing several elements to be a good team. They have a super RB, but their QB is real green. Decent O and D lines. The Packers whipped them like they were red headed step children.

RayNAustin wrote:Against decent teams they're not close to pretty good... They beat SD (which could be considered a bad team this year),

I wasn't paying attention to Sports Center people at all actually. Just looking at their pure stats.

And SD is a pretty strong team this year at 9-5. A record we'd love to have. They've gone 8-2 in their last 10 games...the two losses were a 7 pt loss to Jacksonville, and an 18 point loss to the Vikings.

and the strange NYG. Their other wins came against falcons, Bears, Raiders, 49ers and Det (1). They lost to most of the decent teams they played: Dallas, Philly, both GB games, KC, Det (1)

Sounds like us. The only team .500 or better we've beaten this year is the Giants. Otherwise, we've beaten the Dolphins, Jets, Detroit, Bears, Eagles, and Cardinals. All sorry teams. All the teams .500 or better we've played this year, we've lost to: Patriots, Giants, Cowboys, Bills, Bucs and Packers. And we lost to the sub .500 Eagles.

Just saying...we're not a whole lot different than them, but at least they stomp on the run, and they run the ball damn well.

The Packers whipped them like they were red headed step children.

Check our loss to the Patriots. Was far worse....

The Cardinals had a winning record when we beat them. And we also outplayed many other teams with winning records, though the scoreboard did not reflect that.

JSPB22 wrote:And we also outplayed many other teams with winning records, though the scoreboard did not reflect that.

Unfortunately the score board is the only thing that counts. Conversely, we were outplayed by Arizona for much of that game so they could easily make the same argument about their loss to us as we could make about our losses to the Giants, Bills, and Eagles.

RayNAustin wrote: We've actually averaged more points with Collins over the past two games against very decent defenses.

If by decent defenses you mean the 29th ranked defense in the league, you're spot on.

Don't overlook this Vikings team. They are very, very talented. Their QB is underrated. Their team is the #1 rushing team in the league and their defense is #1 in the league against the run. They know how to win games and they're hot right now. That worries me.

Tavaris Jackson is starting to look promising but I think Sunday we will make him revert back to his early season Babe Laufenberg imitation!

Some of you seem to be overlooking the fact that our D's strong point is defending the run. Peterson will not be able to run on our D and they sure as hell ain't gonna beat us throwing the ball. This will be a low scoring game with Todd Collins possibly being the difference maker.

The Vikings have the best rushing offense in the NFL, it ain't going to be as simple as saying "well, we'll just stop the run." That offensive line is very good.

Fios wrote:The Vikings have the best rushing offense in the NFL, it ain't going to be as simple as saying "well, we'll just stop the run." That offensive line is very good.

Let's just stop the run and we'll win. If we don't then they'll keep the ball from us and score lots of point. Why don't you want to do that? I don't get it.

Fios wrote:The Vikings have the best rushing offense in the NFL, it ain't going to be as simple as saying "well, we'll just stop the run." That offensive line is very good.

I don't believe the Viqueens have the best rushing offense in the league. One could probably even make the argument that the Skins rushing offense is better than the Viqueen's.

grampi wrote:

Fios wrote:The Vikings have the best rushing offense in the NFL, it ain't going to be as simple as saying "well, we'll just stop the run." That offensive line is very good.

I don't believe the Viqueens have the best rushing offense in the league. One could probably even make the argument that the Skins rushing offense is better than the Viqueen's.

We're veering off-topic here but while you, personally, might not see them as the best, the stats say they are. I know that isn't a comprehensive measure but it's not complete garbage either. You'd be hard pressed to argue the Redskins are better since the gap between the Redskins and Minnesota is more than 750 yards. You might be able to argue they are equivalent but even that's a stretch.

The Redskins have a better chance at beating the vikings then they did beating the giants. We have stopped the run for the most part all year and i know that Adrian Peterson is a beast but we shut down premier backs all year. Minnesotas passing game is suspect and i think we match up really well with the Vikings and would not surpise me if we dominated. Im not just saying that because of my allegiance to the skins but from an unbaised standpoint. We just need New Orleans to come back down to earth and lose a game. Thats the only way i see us not making the playoffs cuz i doudt dallas will play Romo and T.O. and alot of the starters the last game of the season.

The stats also say our defense is one of the best in league against the run, so I'm not as worried about stopping their running game as I am about how well our offense will play.

grampi wrote:The stats also say our defense is one of the best in league against the run, so I'm not as worried about stopping their running game as I am about how well our offense will play.

I think they will play decent and good enough not to lose the game for them. Theres now film on Collins and teams know how to hamper him when before he came from no where. Again clinton will need to have a big game and minnesota has a good d-line so our o-line will have to step up again like it did last week. Im not as worried with beating the vikings as i was with beating the giants. I think the giants were the biggest test we would face in the last three weeks of the season.

The stats also say the Vikings have the league's worst secondary but it's best rushing defense. They are in the top 10 in sacks and only seven teams have allowed fewer points. To be clear, I am not saying the Redskins can't win this game, I am saying it's not going to be easy.

Assasin atm wrote:The Redskins have a better chance at beating the vikings then they did beating the giants. We have stopped the run for the most part all year and i know that Adrian Peterson is a beast but we shut down premier backs all year.

Wait. What "premier backs" have we played against?

Dolphins: Ronnie Brown was awful at the beginning of the season (not just against the Redskins)
Eagles I: Uh Westbrook was killing us. 162 combined yards.
Giants I: Derrick Ward had 94 yards rushing.
Detroit: Kevin Jones was averaging 4.4 a carry, but thanks to Mike Martz only got the ball 11 times. Mike Martz shut him down.
Green Bay: We did shut down that premier back, DeShawn Wynn.
Arizona: We did shut down Edgerrin James (3.1 ypc, albiet 83 yards), but I don't put much faith in that. He's averaging 3.8 this year...not great.
New England: Not worth it.
NY Jets: They averaged 4.8 yards per carry against us. I guess we shut down Thomas Jones (3.8 ypc, 49 yards)? Premier back...no.
Eagles II: Westbrook: 20 carries, 100 yards, 1 TD. 83 yards receiving, 2 TDs. 183 yards and 3 TDs. Uh...no.
Bucs: Earnest Graham, 21 carries, 75 yards, 1 TD. I guess that's shutting him down, but he's definitely not a premier back.
Buffalo: Marshawn Lynch out. His backup had 16 carries, 82 yards (5.1 ypc), and another 69 yards receiving. 151 yards...not shut down.
Bears: Lol. We kicked Adrian Peterson's butt! Oh wait..wrong one.
Giants: Brandon Jacobs...25 carries, 130 yards (5.2 ypc).

To me, it doesn't seem like we have played many premier backs, and we've only "shut down" crappy RBs like the other Adrian Peterson and DeShawn Wynne.

The very good RBs we've faced, like Westbrook (345 combined yards in 2 games...), and Brandon Jacobs (130 yards rushing in one game), have killed us.

Did I miss something?