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RayNAustin wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

BnGhog wrote:

RayNAustin wrote: Remember the Dallas game.....two bombs, hit in-stride? When has Campbell done this? NEVER

Just to clarify. Those were not hit in-stride. They were both underthrown AND off target. But lobbed enough Moss came back to them and adjusted. Which is also the reason the defender could not make a play on the ball. The defender was running right with Moss. Moss saw the ball, and pretty much stopped dead in his tracks and changed his direction, leaving the defender in the dust.

Maybe you just want to argue something...but this is absolutely untrue. I was there, at the game. I've seen the replays dozens of times. Moss caught both balls in-stride, and went in for the scores standing up, untouched. Since you are obviously unaware of this, let me clarify for you that it is comon practice to lead a reciever (either inside or outside (depending on the position of the defender) and not to throw the ball in a direct line over the receiver's head, forcing him to make the catch with his back to the ball (hardest catch to make) while also requiring a perfect pass that allows no adjustment. GET IT?

Well actually, you're both wrong. The first catch was in the endzone, and he sort of slid, like a baseball slide, while making the catch. The second was in stride, but he had to adjust his route, and he ran the last 30 yards into the endzone and into Chief Zee's arms.

No. Watch the replays. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6mKM8U3Jqs

He caught the first ball in the endzone running at full stride, and the ball was right there on the money and he fell. Brunell led him perfectly. The second one he caught in stride at the 21 yard line and ran it in.

Roll the tape...and quit with the faulty memory crap. I was there, sitting in the endzone at Texas Stadium.

OK, I'll give you that he actually more dove than slid for the first catch, but you originally said he caught it in stride and ran into the endzone. I think my version was closer than yours. On the second, he caught the ball at the 24 and ran the rest of the way in. OK, I said the 30, so sue me if I was off by six yards. I wasn't trying to be exact on the yardage anyway, but he did have to slow up and fade back to his right to make the catch. Again my recollection of events was closer than yours. And you were there! Now who has the faulty memory again?

Edit: Looks like I'll be adding you to the list of posters who I fast forward past in the future.

HEROHAMO
roybus14
RayNAustin

Fios wrote:Look, he's had 15 games, if Jason Campbell does not win the MVP this year, it's obviously time to cut our losses.

Time to draft a QB in 1st round next year!

Or trade for Gus Frerotte. He might be available.

Me clueless? Look Mr. Cinder Block head, nobody said we didn't have o-line injuries. I just said it was an excuse. And when it comes to pressure, are you saying that Roethlisberger being sacked 19 times while throwing 20 TD's means that he is under LESS pressure than Campbell who has been sacked only 13 times? Explain your logic behind that brilliant analysis. The point is, 13 sacks is a fairly average number across the league, with Kitna being sacked 33 times. As for rushing and it's OBVIOUS effects on passing, the Green Freaking Bay Packers are LAST in the NFL in rushing, and 2nd in passing. Apparently, their terrible o-linemen aren't asked to throw the football like ours apparently are.

For crying out loud, sacks is not the only statistic that indicates how much pressure a qb is under. I've seen all of the Skins games and 4 of the Steelers games and Big Ben is definitely not under the same type of pressure as JC. JC is more elusive than Big Ben and the Steelers throw the ball down field more so Big Ben holds onto the ball and stays in the pocket longer than JC.

Please show me where in my previous post I said that rushing has an obvious effect on passing, because that was certainly not the point I was making, although I do think that the ability to run the ball does impact a team's ability to throw the ball effectively. The point I was making was that our offensive line's play has gone down across the board. The pass protection is down and sack numbers are up, and the rushing numbers are also down significantly, indicating that our line is playing at a much lower level than last season.

And are you seriously comparing an offense captained by Brett Favre to an offense run by a qb who hasn't even started 16 NFL games? Just about any other qb would struggle mightily in Green Bay's offense.

So you are saying what? The Redskin coaches don't want to score more points? Ahh, that's the ticket, they really don't want to score more points. Well, in that case, maybe you are right. Maybe......somebody just needs to ALLOW JC to score more TD's.

Yea I'm saying that our coaches don't want to score touchdowns. In fact, I'm saying that our coaches are trying to lose on purpose Brilliant. How you managed to draw this conclusion from my post in dumbfounding. My point was that our offensive game plan is conservative. We run more than we pass, we don't go 3 wide very often, and we don't throw the ball down field much. That type of game plan is going to effect a qb's numbers. Dallas, Detroit, New England, etc. spread their offenses out and throw the ball down field. We are only one of 6 or 7 (cant remember the exact number) of teams that run more than they throw. I certainly believe that if the coaches opened up the play book more that JC would have better numbers. Do you truly believe that Gibbs is not a conservative head coach in his second tenure?

Also we run more in the red zone than most other NFL teams. In fact, we are in the top 10 in the NFL in rushing td's, so that also affects the number of td's that JC has.

In 2005, TO was no Moss. Not even close. But then again, if if's and buts were whores and sluts we'd all be smiling broadly. When Glenn comes back.....blah blah blah.....what does that have to do with what is happening now? Romo is doing fine WITHOUT Glenn. Apparently he is not as dependent on a particular player as is JC.

One season? Based on one season's worth of stats you are going to argue that Moss is as good as TO? TO didn't even play for most of 2005. 6 times in his career TO has caught more than 13 td's. Moss hasn't done it once. I love Moss, have a Moss jersey, and am glad that he is on the team, but he is not in the same class as TO.

The only thing that is misleading here is your twisted logic and what ifs and excuses. The reason I picked 200 attempts is becuse most of the QB's currently playing in all games this year have 200 attempts. Most under that number are either injured or have already been BENCHED and replaced.

You continue to ignore the fact that off the 24 qb's with better qb ratings than JC, 23 have more experience than Campbell does. Qb's don't become great overnight. It takes them time to develop.

My God man, do you hear yourself? Whine, whine, whine. Did they forget how to play football with each other this year? They can't remember each other from last year? Gosh coach, I don't think I can throw this Sunday cuz me and Santana haven't had a chance to play catch this week?

I'll ask you once again, and I'm sure you'll once again ignore the question and post more of your nonsense, HOW DO YOU EXPECT THE PASSING GAME TO IMPROVE WHEN OUR STARTING RECEIVERS CANT PRACTICE??

NEWS FLASH= Vinny Testaverde (43 years old) returns from retirement and throws a 65 yard TD to Steve Smith in his first game as a Panther.

Good for him. So what? Vinny has played in 2 games, has 1 td and 1 int, so how is he even relevant to this discussion?

Romo came in for the Cowboys last year, and immediately began connecting with his receivers.....

Yes Romo did well when he first came in. However, he was also the #2 before that so he took snaps with the first team offense. JC, as the #3, did not. Romo has also been in the NFL for 5 seasons. Do yourself a favor and look at Romo's game log from last season. He started strongly but over his last 5 games last season he threw more picks than td's.

Brady had Moss, Stalworth, and Welker come in new this year, replacing all of last years receivers, and they've just gotten better, scoring at will from day 1.

Brilliant. Once again comparing JC to one of the best qb's in the history of the NFL. It would be nice if JC could become a hall-of-famer just like that, but unfortunately that's not how it works. It would also be nice to have arguably the best receiving corpse in the NFL for JC to throw to. Also, Brady has had a lot more time to work with his receivers than JC has this season and during pre-season. Moss has missed significant practice time dating back to last season. ARE has also been hurt. The lack of timing is apparent. We also don't have a #3 receiver that is a threat. Not every team can have a guy like Welker in the slot.

Oh yes, that's right, Tom Brady doesn't need practice with his receivers....they don't need to work on timing and all of that nonsense...they just play football, because they are football players.

I don't even know what the point of this statement is. Probably your poor attempt at sarcasm. Either way, probably the most unintelligent statement that I've ever seen on this board. I think that most of us would be better off doing what JSPB22 suggests and just ignoring your worthless posts.

CanesSkins26 wrote:It would also be nice to have arguably the best receiving corpse in the NFL for JC to throw to.

Bob Hayes?

JSPB22 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

BnGhog wrote:

RayNAustin wrote: Remember the Dallas game.....two bombs, hit in-stride? When has Campbell done this? NEVER

Just to clarify. Those were not hit in-stride. They were both underthrown AND off target. But lobbed enough Moss came back to them and adjusted. Which is also the reason the defender could not make a play on the ball. The defender was running right with Moss. Moss saw the ball, and pretty much stopped dead in his tracks and changed his direction, leaving the defender in the dust.

Maybe you just want to argue something...but this is absolutely untrue. I was there, at the game. I've seen the replays dozens of times. Moss caught both balls in-stride, and went in for the scores standing up, untouched. Since you are obviously unaware of this, let me clarify for you that it is comon practice to lead a reciever (either inside or outside (depending on the position of the defender) and not to throw the ball in a direct line over the receiver's head, forcing him to make the catch with his back to the ball (hardest catch to make) while also requiring a perfect pass that allows no adjustment. GET IT?

Well actually, you're both wrong. The first catch was in the endzone, and he sort of slid, like a baseball slide, while making the catch. The second was in stride, but he had to adjust his route, and he ran the last 30 yards into the endzone and into Chief Zee's arms.

No. Watch the replays. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6mKM8U3Jqs

He caught the first ball in the endzone running at full stride, and the ball was right there on the money and he fell. Brunell led him perfectly. The second one he caught in stride at the 21 yard line and ran it in.

Roll the tape...and quit with the faulty memory crap. I was there, sitting in the endzone at Texas Stadium.

OK, I'll give you that he actually more dove than slid for the first catch, but you originally said he caught it in stride and ran into the endzone. I think my version was closer than yours. On the second, he caught the ball at the 24 and ran the rest of the way in. OK, I said the 30, so sue me if I was off by six yards. I wasn't trying to be exact on the yardage anyway, but he did have to slow up and fade back to his right to make the catch. Again my recollection of events was closer than yours. And you were there! Now who has the faulty memory again?

Edit: Looks like I'll be adding you to the list of posters who I fast forward past in the future.

HEROHAMO
roybus14
RayNAustin

Of course you are right. The video is wrong!! Are you blind? The first ball he caught in the endzone and was knocked down. He wasn't even close to sliding, which means you weren't even close to being right. The second TD he caught a perfect ball over his shoulder and ran it in untouched, without having to stop and wait on it.

Look, it's not a big deal......much easier to say oops, I was mistaken, instead of continuing to claim it is night time while the sun is beating you in the face. That just makes you look silly and stubborn, and still doesn't make you right when you are wrong.

We all make mistakes, just be man enough to admit it already. Sorta slid like a baseball slide???? Not even close. I said he caught both balls in stride, which he did, as the video tape clearly shows. PERIOD. Give it up.

RayNAustin wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

BnGhog wrote:

RayNAustin wrote: Remember the Dallas game.....two bombs, hit in-stride? When has Campbell done this? NEVER

Just to clarify. Those were not hit in-stride. They were both underthrown AND off target. But lobbed enough Moss came back to them and adjusted. Which is also the reason the defender could not make a play on the ball. The defender was running right with Moss. Moss saw the ball, and pretty much stopped dead in his tracks and changed his direction, leaving the defender in the dust.

Maybe you just want to argue something...but this is absolutely untrue. I was there, at the game. I've seen the replays dozens of times. Moss caught both balls in-stride, and went in for the scores standing up, untouched. Since you are obviously unaware of this, let me clarify for you that it is comon practice to lead a reciever (either inside or outside (depending on the position of the defender) and not to throw the ball in a direct line over the receiver's head, forcing him to make the catch with his back to the ball (hardest catch to make) while also requiring a perfect pass that allows no adjustment. GET IT?

Well actually, you're both wrong. The first catch was in the endzone, and he sort of slid, like a baseball slide, while making the catch. The second was in stride, but he had to adjust his route, and he ran the last 30 yards into the endzone and into Chief Zee's arms.

No. Watch the replays. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6mKM8U3Jqs

He caught the first ball in the endzone running at full stride, and the ball was right there on the money and he fell. Brunell led him perfectly. The second one he caught in stride at the 21 yard line and ran it in.

Roll the tape...and quit with the faulty memory crap. I was there, sitting in the endzone at Texas Stadium.

OK, I'll give you that he actually more dove than slid for the first catch, but you originally said he caught it in stride and ran into the endzone. I think my version was closer than yours. On the second, he caught the ball at the 24 and ran the rest of the way in. OK, I said the 30, so sue me if I was off by six yards. I wasn't trying to be exact on the yardage anyway, but he did have to slow up and fade back to his right to make the catch. Again my recollection of events was closer than yours. And you were there! Now who has the faulty memory again?

Edit: Looks like I'll be adding you to the list of posters who I fast forward past in the future.

HEROHAMO
roybus14
RayNAustin

Of course you are right. The video is wrong!! Are you blind? The first ball he caught in the endzone and was knocked down. He wasn't even close to sliding, which means you weren't even close to being right. The second TD he caught a perfect ball over his shoulder and ran it in untouched, without having to stop and wait on it.

Look, it's not a big deal......much easier to say oops, I was mistaken, instead of continuing to claim it is night time while the sun is beating you in the face. That just makes you look silly and stubborn, and still doesn't make you right when you are wrong.

We all make mistakes, just be man enough to admit it already. Sorta slid like a baseball slide???? Not even close. I said he caught both balls in stride, which he did, as the video tape clearly shows. PERIOD. Give it up.

I've highlighted the pertinent portions of this debate. Your words are in yellow, and mine are in orange. As you can plainly see from the highlighted passages, you can't even keep your story straight from one post to the next. And yes, it would be nice if you were man enough to admit when you are obviously wrong, kind of like I did on the slide thing (see the orange above). But since you are not willing to do this, you will understand why I will no longer be responding to, or even reading, your posts from now on. Unlike Joeblogadonuts self-effacing blog titles, your posts really are drivel.

RayNAustin wrote:
Of course you are right. The video is wrong!! Are you blind? The first ball he caught in the endzone and was knocked down. He wasn't even close to sliding, which means you weren't even close to being right. The second TD he caught a perfect ball over his shoulder and ran it in untouched, without having to stop and wait on it.

Look, it's not a big deal......much easier to say oops, I was mistaken, instead of continuing to claim it is night time while the sun is beating you in the face. That just makes you look silly and stubborn, and still doesn't make you right when you are wrong.

We all make mistakes, just be man enough to admit it already. Sorta slid like a baseball slide???? Not even close. I said he caught both balls in stride, which he did, as the video tape clearly shows. PERIOD. Give it up.

Ray is that Ray as in Charles, because if you have looked at that video and think that Moss caught the first TD in stride you deffinately have something in common with the singer. Fact, Moss had to go to the ground to make the catch, Fact, it was at least 5 yards off target and late. If you think that is where #8 meant the ball to end up you might want to check out housing availabilty at St. Elizabeth's. Watch the endzone angle and you will see the balls was thrown 5 yards (or more), back towards the safety (now what kind of QB intentionally does that?), from the line Moss was running. Now if you have been watching football as long as you have stated and still retain your sight you would have noticed the throw was so bad that the safety ran past it, because he was trying to get to where the ball should have been thrown to and looked up too late to stop. Moss made an incredible catch on a very poorly thrown ball!

The second TD pass was almost perfect much like the one that bounced off of Moss' facemask in the Cardinals game that would have gone for a TD as well.

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Yes Romo did well when he first came in. However, he was also the #2 before that so he took snaps with the first team offense. JC, as the #3, did not. Romo has also been in the NFL for 5 seasons. Do yourself a favor and look at Romo's game log from last season. He started strongly but over his last 5 games last season he threw more picks than td's.

Number 2 QB's don't work with the starters. Starting QB's take all the reps with the starters. You should quit making things up and presenting them as facts. The point is Romo in his first 16 games (1 more game than JC has played so far) finished with much better results. Roethlisberger had even better numbers in is first 14 games in 2004, and that was with a Steelers team that finshed 6-10 the previous year. This year Derek Anderson is putting up great numbers with only 15 total games of experience, and that is with a Browns team that went 4-12 last year. So your insinuation that any QB that has outperformed Campbell did so because of the powerhouse team around him is just not the true story. I contend that a high level of play of a QB is responsible for much of any team's success, including the success of his receivers.

Brilliant. Once again comparing JC to one of the best qb's in the history of the NFL. It would be nice if JC could become a hall-of-famer just like that, but unfortunately that's not how it works. It would also be nice to have arguably the best receiving corpse in the NFL for JC to throw to. Also, Brady has had a lot more time to work with his receivers than JC has this season and during pre-season. Moss has missed significant practice time dating back to last season. ARE has also been hurt. The lack of timing is apparent. We also don't have a #3 receiver that is a threat. Not every team can have a guy like Welker in the slot.

No, I'm not comparing JC to Brady. I'm simply pointing out that other QB's and Receivers don't have to have extensive time together to be successful and productive. If JC does, that is a short coming on his part. What this really is is a bunch of excuses. Look JC and Moss have had time together the past two years. On the other hand, Randy Moss and Brady (contrary to your statements) didn't. Randy Moss sat out the preseason injured.

I don't even know what the point of this statement is. Probably your poor attempt at sarcasm. Either way, probably the most unintelligent statement that I've ever seen on this board. I think that most of us would be better off doing what JSPB22 suggests and just ignoring your worthless posts.

You obviously don't read many of your own posts. But be my guest and ignore my posts. I'd prefer to discuss football with someone more knowledgeable about the subject anyway.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:
Of course you are right. The video is wrong!! Are you blind? The first ball he caught in the endzone and was knocked down. He wasn't even close to sliding, which means you weren't even close to being right. The second TD he caught a perfect ball over his shoulder and ran it in untouched, without having to stop and wait on it.

Look, it's not a big deal......much easier to say oops, I was mistaken, instead of continuing to claim it is night time while the sun is beating you in the face. That just makes you look silly and stubborn, and still doesn't make you right when you are wrong.

We all make mistakes, just be man enough to admit it already. Sorta slid like a baseball slide???? Not even close. I said he caught both balls in stride, which he did, as the video tape clearly shows. PERIOD. Give it up.

Ray is that Ray as in Charles, because if you have looked at that video and think that Moss caught the first TD in stride you deffinately have something in common with the singer. Fact, Moss had to go to the ground to make the catch, Fact, it was at least 5 yards off target and late. If you think that is where #8 meant the ball to end up you might want to check out housing availabilty at St. Elizabeth's. Watch the endzone angle and you will see the balls was thrown 5 yards (or more), back towards the safety (now what kind of QB intentionally does that?), from the line Moss was running. Now if you have been watching football as long as you have stated and still retain your sight you would have noticed the throw was so bad that the safety ran past it, because he was trying to get to where the ball should have been thrown to and looked up too late to stop. Moss made an incredible catch on a very poorly thrown ball!

The second TD pass was almost perfect much like the one that bounced off of Moss' facemask in the Cardinals game that would have gone for a TD as well.

Obviously you know more about football than I do, and more than Madden too, because he thought it was a perfect pass also.

This is the most ridiculous drivel I've heard so far.....you know that the ball was poorly thrown because the safety was running to where the ball was supposed to be thrown and that is why he missed it? Are you for real? There is no excuse for this level of ignorance, but if you need one, and you surely do, I'm sure your buddy CanesSkins26 can help you out...he knows a thing or two about making excuses.

But for the record, I know this might come as a shock, but did it ever occur to you for even a moment that the safety might have misplayed the ball and that Santana actually had a better idea of where that ball was going to be thrown because he TALKED ABOUT IT WITH BRUNELL IN THE HUDDLE?

It's called a post pattern, Einstein. The ball is already in the air by the time Moss makes his break toward the goal post that's why it's called a post pattern. The safety breaks toward Moss as soon as he sees the ball in the air, but he is playing Moss at this point, and not the ball. Once he made his break toward Moss that safety never saw the ball again.

JSPB22 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:What I want from Jason Campbell is to stop doing what he is told, and start doing what he feels he needs to do during a game. Start taking some chances and start scrambling when he sees pressure. Take a sack and dont cough the ball up.

Wow, you've really outdone yourself here.
Sentence 1: Hey Jason, take the LaVar Arrington/Brandon Lloyd approach to playing for Joe and see where that gets you!
Sentence 2: Keep doing what you are already doing, and pick up critical first downs to keep the chains moving. (2 scrambles for 31 yards and first downs Vs. the Jets)
Sentence 3: Disregard my last sentence completely. Also, stop fumbling away the ball on purpose. (3 fumbles lost Vs. the Patriots on sacks, 0 lost on sacks the rest of the season - his 1 other lost fumble this season was Vs. the G-strings on an exchange that Portis mishandled.)

Every play does not pan out the way it was drawn up. In which case I want JC to make a decision quick and execute.

See sentence 2 translation above.

HEROHAMO wrote:When JC scrambled for a first down, that is exactly what I want out of him.
I assure you the play that was called was not for him to scramble.

See sentence 2 translation above.

HEROHAMO wrote:When a play is busted I would like for him to either throw the ball away

So continue to make smart decisions by playing Joe Gibbs' football? Completely disregard sentence 1 translation above.

HEROHAMO wrote:take the sack if he has to, but protect the ball

See sentence 3 translation above.

HEROHAMO wrote:or scramble if he has the lane.

See sentence 2 translation above.

HEROHAMO wrote:He did do better in the Jets game , but he still did not throw any TDs and also threw an interception.

He threw at least two passes that would have been TDs, had they been caught (In the endzone to Thrash, Moss in OT). He was hit as he threw the ball on the INT.

HEROHAMO wrote:Yes, he is going through some of the growing pains as a Qb. It does not help that our Oline is still banged up as well. I just hope he breaks out soon. He is due for a monster game. Hopefully that is against our rivals.

He was NFC Offensive Player of the week after the Detroit game, but I agree that I hope he has a repeat performance over the next two weeks.

From now on your name to me will be waterboy.

You seem more concerned about grammar than football, so I am guessing you were a nerd in high school too.

I wonder if you ever even laced up a pair of cleats, or seen the fear in a mans eyes after decleating him?

I wonder if you ever seen snot bubbles come out of a mans nose after unloading a hit on him?

I wonder if you have ever felt the pain of an ACL snap?

I wonder if you know the smell of a grassy dew before a football game?


Go get me my gatorade waterboy!

Leave football to real men.

Fellas, this is quickly moving past what we might call a civil argument, NONE of you are going to convince the others at this point so save me the trouble of migrating portions of this thread to Smack and drop the subject.

Fios wrote:Fellas, this is quickly moving past what we might call a civil argument, NONE of you are going to convince the others at this point so save me the trouble of migrating portions of this thread to Smack and drop the subject.

I agree..... Stop jacking up my thread, geez....


The bottom line is this: This team is 5-3 with a pretty bad offense. Whether it's JC, Joe Gibbs, injuries, or whatever. If this team does not get it's act together, we'll be on this board in February talking about how we thought that Gibbs coming back was going to work and is his legacy now tarnished.

I put it out there concerning JC based on my own opinion and observation and wanted to get the "pulse" of you guys and gals on the board to see where your head's are on JC. Right now, I say he should start taking matters into his own hands now, fire these guys up and get this offense moving. He's proved that he can call his own plays and with work his accuracy and timing will get better. If that be taking those chances in the game, so be it because his WRs can't stay healthy enough to put in the work in practice.....

roybus14 wrote:

Fios wrote:Fellas, this is quickly moving past what we might call a civil argument, NONE of you are going to convince the others at this point so save me the trouble of migrating portions of this thread to Smack and drop the subject.

I agree..... Stop jacking up my thread, geez....


The bottom line is this: This team is 5-3 with a pretty bad offense. Whether it's JC, Joe Gibbs, injuries, or whatever. If this team does not get it's act together, we'll be on this board in February talking about how we thought that Gibbs coming back was going to work and is his legacy now tarnished.

I put it out there concerning JC based on my own opinion and observation and wanted to get the "pulse" of you guys and gals on the board to see where your head's are on JC. Right now, I say he should start taking matters into his own hands now, fire these guys up and get this offense moving. He's proved that he can call his own plays and with work his accuracy and timing will get better. If that be taking those chances in the game, so be it because his WRs can't stay healthy enough to put in the work in practice.....

Jason Campbell has nothing to work with.
Moss is playing injured.
Randle El is playing injured.
Thrash is playing injured.
Lloyd isn't playing.
Caldwell is barely seeing the field.
McCardell is barely seeing the field.
Portis, Sellers and Yoder are supposed to be safety valves, not primary receivers.
ey is supposed to be a receiver, not a pass blocker.

Jason Campbell can call any audible in the playbook and if the receivers can't get to the spot it makes no difference. Contrary to the belief of some members, Jason does throw to a spot on deep passes. His passes just get there faster and with less air. I could run under one of Mark Brunell's deep passes from here. (OK, maybe not. But you get my point.)
Receivers with quad and hamstring injuries can't get to the spot on timing, even if the ball is thrown with more arc. Which means only the zone defender is in the area of the pass, and the zone defender is facing the quarterback. The receivers are still trying to complete the routes and the ball is already on the way to the spot. This is why some members have been arguing that the Redskins should use Brandon Lloyd, regardless of the issues. He is the only healthy speed threat on the team. Lloyd has more of a chance of stretching the defense than three injured wide receivers.

Jason has only played 15 games and not only doesn't he have the weapons of other teams but he doesn't even have healthy receivers.
Add to that a makeshift offensive line and, up until last weekend, a nearly non-existent rushing attack and it would be tough for anyone to have success. 5-3 under these circumstances is nothing to complain about. If anyone had told me before the season opener that the Redskins were going to have these issues, I would have predicted another 5-11 season.

I'm not trying to be mean about this but those points have all been raised, repeatedly, in this thread. My plea is that we move past this and not continue to kick a horse that is long since dead.

Fios wrote:I'm not trying to be mean about this but those points have all been raised, repeatedly, in this thread. My plea is that we move past this and not continue to kick a horse that is long since dead.

I'm not attempting to question your moderation of the thread but I thought your request was to move past the discussion of the Dallas game from 2005. Well, that and the personal attacks.

Apparently some of you children need some time off... so just keep up the crap and we'll give you your wish.

I know it's really tough, and a true hardship to click on the Smack forum and post your petty bickering and rhetoric there... but I assure you, I personally don't find it that tough, or hard, to click on the 'De-Activate' button for your account.

If you can't all behave with civility - that's fine - but do it in Smack and not the regular forums, or you'll find yourself unable to post for a while.

Thanks.

Welp, there it ti-is.....

Sooo, my buddies of THN.. I need to post something here because I had to skim everyone's quotes of quotes.. even had people quoting themselves!! LOL

Lets all agree that JC is young and he will get better. The injury Gawds have taken a bite out of our tooshes and we have to rebound, and we will. We will all support JC because he's a young strong man who has a heck of an arm and once he learns to be more accurate, we will see passes similar to those that murdered the cowpunks in '05 from Brunell. (Insert argument of great passes vs. bad passes that were still caught) As far as I'm concerned, regardless of what, the last 4 games vs the cowpunks we're 3-1 right?, that's all that matters.

Next up, McNabb and dem dudes. Considering we got smashed by a better team in the Pats, the eagles got punished by a better team as well in the cowpunks. We barely beat the Jets so lets just hope that our Skins coaches and players have been reading our opinions and maybe taking notes. *Since we are truely better at calling plays than they are*
This morning I've been seeing eagles flags on cars and I wanted to ram the crap out of um. This is troubling because I'm in the DC area and those people probably can't spell philadelphia. Everyone, lets unite this weekend and battle the evil forces of the NFC East and let the goodness prevail!

GO SKINS !!! KILL DA EAGLES !!!

I apologize to JSPBDeadskin.

I am sorry man. Not just because the Mods are getting mad, but because I feel I should say sorry. I retract my former statements. Look, I agree that we disagree on our thoughts.

I do thank the Mods and everybody for keeping this site going strong. It is my favorite website. I will take a temporary suspension if you Mods feel the need to.



On to the topic at hand. JC has been decent. I will not say he has played excellent though. There is alot of room for growth. Patience runs thin at times when you want to see your team win though. Anyhow on to the IGGLEs Hail to the Redskins!

HEROHAMO wrote:On to the topic at hand. JC has been decent. I will not say he has played excellent though. There is alot of room for growth. Patience runs thin at times when you want to see your team win though. Anyhow on to the IGGLEs Hail to the Redskins!

I gotta agree with you HEROHAMO on this. I like JC and he's shown a lot of potential. But he's not lights out nailing the job either, even for his experience level. I'm thinking that really playing a full year will make his off-season growth that much more valuable and he'll improve on loft for deep balls, feathering the shorter passes. But NFL caliber QBs are very rare and I hope people realize unrealistic expectations aren't in our interest either.

Campbell has a great deep ball. Problem is its normally to deep for his receivers.

He will get better tho.

From this week's inside slant:

Campbell, who was promoted ahead of aging predecessor Mark Brunell a year ago next week in part because of his better arm, said he's not afraid of throwing deep.

"I'm not scared to take a shot," said Campbell, who has just 12 completions longer than 28 yards in his 15 starts since replacing Brunell, who had nine in nine starts in 2006. "Look at Brett Favre. He's thrown a lot of touchdowns. He's had a lot of interceptions. He wouldn't have made a lot of great plays if he didn't take chances.