CanesSkins26 wrote:Yea that's a good point. I'd really like to know who these teammates that lobbied for Lloyd actually are (if this actually happened).
He said it was the other WRs
I know that he said it, I'm just not sure how true it is. I'd like to see some corroboration on it from the other receivers before I believe it. I highly doubt that Thrash, McCardell, or Caldwell were lobbying for him to get more passes since they were competing with him for pt. Maybe Randle El did or maybe Moss.
I really don't get why so many people are pining over a WR that did almost nothing for this team last year, was an average WR in San Fran, and has been somewhat of a pain in the neck for the coaching staff.
I hope he gets his head screwed on right and actually starts making a contribution for his money and that starts on the practice feild and with him changing his "I'm OK just collecting a check" attitude.
I have heard the coaches called all kinds of things making this seem like it is only personal between him and Gibbs. Maybe Gibbs doesn't like his attitude or how he practices, that is not Gibbs' fault it is BL's. If your boss didn't like your attitude or if you came into meeting unprepared, do you think your boss should change or should you.
This is an average player that performed at a below average level last year and we have eight pages of people pushing for him like he's little orphan Anny.
This guy is Randy Moss without Randy Moss' ability!
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We have eight pages in this thread with (mostly) cogent back-and-forth and you can't find a SINGLE reason people might want to get something out of Lloyd? Did you bother to read anything or did you just rush to the end so you could avoid advancing the discussion in any meaningful way?
It's a fair point. Lloyd's contract was based on his potential, not anything he's actually produced. His career best 2005 is pretty much in line with Reche Caldwell's 2006 and well behind Keenan McCardell's 2005. The offense has been producing. Even if everything we've heard about him being a poopy teammate isn't true, what exactly are we missing out on?
Steve Spurrier III wrote:It's a fair point. Lloyd's contract was based on his potential, not anything he's actually produced. His career best 2005 is pretty much in line with Reche Caldwell's 2006 and well behind Keenan McCardell's 2005. The offense has been producing. Even if everything we've heard about him being a poopy teammate isn't true, what exactly are we missing out on?
One healthy speed receiver that can't effectively be covered with a safety or a linebacker. If nothing else, Lloyd's speed draws defenders away from the other receivers. That's at minimum. And that's enough reason, even without the money issue. Anything else is a bonus.
Steve Spurrier III wrote:It's a fair point. Lloyd's contract was based on his potential, not anything he's actually produced. His career best 2005 is pretty much in line with Reche Caldwell's 2006 and well behind Keenan McCardell's 2005. The offense has been producing. Even if everything we've heard about him being a poopy teammate isn't true, what exactly are we missing out on?
Lloyd is a WR that is a part of the Wahington Redskins that a number of us happen to think has the potential to really help this team and he is not being fairly utilized in my opinion. Other than finding reasons not to try and exploit that talent I would think that most here would understand that we are going to have #85 on this team - he is not going anywhere and we really should be supporting our team not trying to make stuff up that we really know very little factually and especially not from an anti Redskins reporter.
If you support the team, you should support the whole team and especially a talent like this guy.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
CanesSkins26 wrote: Maybe Randle El did or maybe Moss.
I been waitng for someone to ask that myself but whenever Moss or Randle El is in front of a mic the questions are about their injuries. We may never get anothr version
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When Gibbs is down on someone, you never hear about them. It's like the silent treatment your mom would give you when you did something she didn't like. He's pushed BLloyd to the background. I've seen it before with Gibbs and as recently as last year with AA, and a few years ago with Arrington. It's almost like they don't exist.
This is code for -- See ya. I'll bet every single dollar I have, BLloyd is gone after this year regardless of his cap hit. He's only on the team this year because the cap hit would have been too heavy for this year.
I don't believe it's a lack of talent or ability as much as personality. I was surprised when Gibbs wanted him. He had a horrible rep with his teammates in SF. BLloyd is not the type of player Gibbs likes.
Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
I don't understand. The source is Gibbs. JLC merely reported what Gibbs said. So you don't trust Gibbs?
Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
I don't understand. The source is Gibbs. JLC merely reported what Gibbs said. So you don't trust Gibbs?
I don't trust JLC to quote Joe Gibbs without any alteration, omission, or modification. JLC tries to hard to make every story look like it's an exclusive with "inside information". Most of his writing consists of over-stating the obvious and bashing without bashing.
Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
I don't understand. The source is Gibbs. JLC merely reported what Gibbs said. So you don't trust Gibbs?
I don't trust JLC to quote Joe Gibbs without any alteration, omission, or modification. JLC tries to hard to make every story look like it's an exclusive with "inside information". Most of his writing consists of over-stating the obvious and bashing without bashing.
I understand that. But JLC merely reported that Gibbs said Thrash and McCardell would get snaps if ARE can't go. You don't believe that?
Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
I don't understand. The source is Gibbs. JLC merely reported what Gibbs said. So you don't trust Gibbs?
I don't trust JLC to quote Joe Gibbs without any alteration, omission, or modification. JLC tries to hard to make every story look like it's an exclusive with "inside information". Most of his writing consists of over-stating the obvious and bashing without bashing.
I understand that. But JLC merely reported that Gibbs said Thrash and McCardell would get snaps if ARE can't go. You don't believe that?
I believed that long before JLC made an article out of it. I would think any Redskins' fan paying attention to the situation would have believed that as well. The fact that Thrash and McCardell got the majority of the playing time last week after Randle El went out was my first clue.
GSPODS wrote:Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
GSPODS wrote:Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
That implies you don't believe what JLC reported.
What I am implying is that I don't believe JLC in general. For a writer with supposed "inside information", JLC is wrong twice as much as he is right. That's a piss-poor track record for someone who claims to have so many sources close to the team. If you haven't noticed, the statement in the article is not a quote from Joe Gibbs. If it was a quote from Joe Gibbs, I would probably be more inclined to believe it.
GSPODS wrote:I believed that long before JLC made an article out of it.
GSPODS wrote:If it was a quote from Joe Gibbs, I would probably be more inclined to believe it.
JLC wrote:Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
Maybe not a 'direct quote', but he's reporting what Gibbs said. But whatever, I see that regardless of the substance contained in THIS article, you're just taking some pop shots at JLC. I don't like him either, but you initially implied that THIS report about who would be taking snaps if ARE was out, in the Lloyd thread, was probably BS as well. Then you went on to say you believed it before the article was put out and followed it up with "I'd be more inclined to believe it..."
GSPODS wrote:Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
That implies you don't believe what JLC reported.
This is what redskinsdotcom is reporting.
If Randle El can't play, then he'll be replaced by a wide receiver rotation that includes James Thrash, Brandon Lloyd, Keenan McCardell and Reche Caldwell. Thrash would likely take over punt return duties.
Take it for what it's worth
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GSPODS wrote:Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
That implies you don't believe what JLC reported.
This is what redskinsdotcom is reporting.
If Randle El can't play, then he'll be replaced by a wide receiver rotation that includes James Thrash, Brandon Lloyd, Keenan McCardell and Reche Caldwell. Thrash would likely take over punt return duties.
Take it for what it's worth
JLC wrote:Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
Gibbs did say "If Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual" but at know time did he say "If Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner".
The video can be seen on redskinsdotcom
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GSPODS wrote:Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
If you trust the source, here is your confirmation. I don't trust the source.
That implies you don't believe what JLC reported.
This is what redskinsdotcom is reporting.
If Randle El can't play, then he'll be replaced by a wide receiver rotation that includes James Thrash, Brandon Lloyd, Keenan McCardell and Reche Caldwell. Thrash would likely take over punt return duties.
Take it for what it's worth
JLC wrote:Gibbs agreed that if Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual; if Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner.
Gibbs did say "If Randle El is active he would fill all roles as usual" but at know time did he say "If Randle El does not play, veterans James Thrash and Keenan McCardell are in line to get his snaps at wide receiver, while Thrash is the backup punt returner". The video can be seen on redskinsdotcom
So, to be clear, you are stating JLC pulled this out of his ass, like he does with most everything else he writes about, and I'm not completely off-base here? Maybe if someone hears it from anyone other than me they will believe it.
GSPODS wrote:So, to be clear, you are stating JLC pulled this out of his ass, like he does with most everything else he writes about, and I'm not completely off-base here? Maybe if someone hears it from anyone other than me they will believe it.
I'm saying I read what JLC wrote, and then listened to Gibbs post practice interview, and checked out the news and notes article on .com. Gibbs didn't mention anyone but Randle El and .com listed all four recievers as being available if ARE can't go, both says Antwaan expects to play, which would make JLC's quote/non-quote worthless
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Fios wrote:We have eight pages in this thread with (mostly) cogent back-and-forth and you can't find a SINGLE reason people might want to get something out of Lloyd? Did you bother to read anything or did you just rush to the end so you could avoid advancing the discussion in any meaningful way?
Like you do?
And yes I did read all the whining and pining over Lloyd and Gibbs'
bashing.
The discussion hasn't "advanced" at all. Most of the post are people whining about how unfairly Lloyd has been treated and confessing their love of this WR that has done less with his tallent than Michael Westbrook.
Some have been rational and realize that he has had chances and is now in Gibbs' doghouse because of his attitude and performance!
I iknew you were going to post almost that exact post.
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Let's put this into another perspective.
If you go car shopping for the best car you can afford and are broke paying for it, are you going to drive it or leave it in the garage? Brandon Lloyd is that car. The Redskins overpaid for him because they liked the appearance. Now they have the payment and they leave him garaged. Makes absolutely no sense. You can trade the car but you're going to be upside down on the loan so it makes no sense.
This has nothing to do with like or dislike or placing blame. If you buy the car, drive the car.
GSPODS wrote:Let's put this into another perspective. If you go car shopping for the best car you can afford and are broke paying for it, are you going to drive it or leave it in the garage? Brandon Lloyd is that car. The Redskins overpaid for him because they liked the appearance. Now they have the payment and they leave him garaged. Makes absolutely no sense. You can trade the car but you're going to be upside down on the loan so it makes no sense.
This has nothing to do with like or dislike or placing blame. If you buy the car, drive the car.
Unless it fails to function as a car! If it stalls in the middle of a drive, goes left when you want it to go right, only runs at half speed when you need it to go full speed, the sound it makes is not what you want to hear, and you just can't count on it to get you to work, then no I wouldn't drive it if I had four other cars that can get me to work with out any hassels!
It would stay parked until I was forced to use it or I was sure that it would now function the way a car is supposed to function.
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