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Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:10 pm**

I hope this is just a rumor. If not we do need some help at left guard.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:12 pm**

SkinsHead56 wrote:
andyjens89 wrote:Pete Kendall is good, but I'd wait a year and sign Alan Faneca, now that guy is a BEAST

I would agree with you, but if Dockery got $49 mill...how much is this guy gonna be?

100 mil, but it's okay because Snyder knows how to dominate the salary cap

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:17 pm**

Head coach Joe Gibbs confirmed on Thursday that the team is close to trading for 12-year veteran offensive lineman Pete Kendall from the New York Jets.

The team has not revealed what it gave up to obtain Kendall, a 6-5, 292-pounder out of Boston College.

"There is still a lot there that needs to be done," Gibbs said. "But we're always looking for somebody who we think could add to the team and fit in with us."

The deal is pending a physical by Kendall, Gibbs said.

Asked what Kendall would bring to the team, Gibbs replied: "He's proven he can start in this league and he can play center and guard, so he gives us some flexibility. He's a proven guy, for sure. We think he's a legit player."

Kendall would likely be in the mix for the Redskins' starting left guard spot.

The team has been trying out Todd Wade, a converted tackle, at left guard this offseason. When Wade suffered a shoulder injury in the first preseason game, the team inserted six-year veteran Mike Pucillo into the lineup.

The Redskins also have veteran offensive lineman Jason Fabini, another former New York Jet, on the roster.

Kendall has played for the Jets since 2004. He has also had NFL stints with the Seattle Seahawks, the team that drafted him in the first round of the 1996 NFL Draft, and the Arizona Cardinals.

http://www.redskins.com

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:19 pm**

don't like it.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:24 pm**

John Manfreda wrote:don't like it.

don't care

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:26 pm**

What's not to like? We needed a left guard, now we have one. It would have been super if we had addressed this via free agency so we wouldn't have to sacrifice yet another draft pick, but it was too late for that.

I think some people here really underestimate the importance of the offensive line, which is really surprising, considering that this franchise's greatest teams were built on a stud front five.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:28 pm**

Underestimate assumes they spent time estimating

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:28 pm**

I do think it is a necessary upgrade, I like the move.

Jets August 23: Traded left guard Pete Kendall to the Washington Redskins for a fourth-round draft pick in 2008.

2006 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 70

Kendall is a smart, tough blue-collar veteran. He has good position versatility and in 2005 played both guard and center. He can handle calls and adjustments on the line. He has a good frame and long arms. He has above-average initial quickness into blocking patterns. He understands power angles and position. His arms and decent hands give him some ability to recover in pass protection. He plays with good awareness when helping out against inside games. But Kendall lacks bulk, flexibility and range. He doesn't bend well and struggles to maintain his pad level at the point of attack. He stops his feet on contact and spends too much time on the ground. He doesn't adjust well off the track on drive blocks and struggles to get position on backside cutoffs. He isn't very smooth. He has marginal balance and body control on pulls. He struggles to bend and slide his feet off short pass sets. He has trouble maintaining pocket depth.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:51 pm**

Buges can coach up anyone

Anyone except for Pucillo and Wade it seems. Overall a smart move though. We couldn't go into the season with a whole at left guard and a total lack of depth on the oline. Now with Kendall taking over the left guard position, Wade can go back to backing up Samuels and Jansen and it Jansen continues to struggle we will have an experienced tackle to replace him. It does suck to lose another draft pick and now it looks like we wont have a full draft until at least 2010, but because of the offseason blunder in not signing a starting caliber guard the team had to do something to help stabilize the line.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:56 pm**

BernieSki wrote:He has above-average initial quickness into blocking patterns. He understands power angles and position.

Does this mean we might be able to run the ball more than 3 yds. this preseason? :wink:

I like this pickup for the depth it brings. I don't profess to have any salary cap knowledgeability, so I have no clue what impact, if any, this makes on that matter. We had a hole at that position. Now we filled it. Kendall's no pro-bowler I assume, but any veteran depth added to the O-line is a welcome addition in my book.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:05 pm**

A fourth round pick is way too much for a 34 year old lineman IMO. A fourth round pick has a lot of value. If you're gonna trade it away, at least get someone with more than 1 year left.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:06 pm**

The Hogster wrote:A fourth round pick is way too much for a 34 year old lineman. A fourth round pick has a lot of value. If you're gonna trade it away, at least get someone with more than 1 year left.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:09 pm**

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Buges can coach up anyone

It does suck to lose another draft pick and now it looks like we wont have a full draft until at least 2010, but because of the offseason blunder in not signing a starting caliber guard the team had to do something to help stabilize the line.

It seems to me that most people are forgetting that had a new collective barganing agreement and increase salary cap that came with it not been done, this was supposed to be the year that the 'Skins would have to do wholesale cuts of high prices vets. Gibbs has always said if he could he would stack every position two or three deep (the old IR list trick). Off season blunders? I'll call it a blunder if we do not make the playoffs.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:11 pm**

Fios wrote:
The Hogster wrote:A fourth round pick is way too much for a 34 year old lineman. A fourth round pick has a lot of value. If you're gonna trade it away, at least get someone with more than 1 year left.

You can roll your eyes all you want. 34 years old is 34 years old. Have fun in fantasy land. Not saying it was a bad move, but a 4th rounder?? They only gave us a 6th for Pat Ramsey who at the time was a young Quarterback, and their vet was injured.

But we give up 3rd and 4th rounders for players we can only get limited time out of (Duckett, Kendall) and when we trade with teams, we get 6th rounders and conditional picks for good players.

Eric Mangini said:

"We were really comfortable with the trade and the value that we got in the trade," Jets coach Eric Mangini said Thursday morning. "When this opportunity presented itself, we thought it was a good opportunity and, as always, we're trying to make the best decisions to help the team win."

Yeah, a 4th rounder for a 34 year old would make anyone "really comfortable". Eric Mangini understands the value of the draft, which is why they are happy as heck with their 4th round pick for a guy who didn't even want to play there any more.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:16 pm**

It's something of a gamble to sign a 34 year old guard with some history of getting hurt, but it was beginning to look like one hell of a gamble to leave the o-line as it was. Wade may still work out great, but I'd rather have an experienced left guard on the squad ready to step in if things work out otherwise. I guess that's the key - is he ready to step in?

I think I like the move, but he could end up being another Duckett. Then again, he could be another RC Thielemann?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:16 pm**

The Hogster wrote:
Fios wrote:
The Hogster wrote:A fourth round pick is way too much for a 34 year old lineman. A fourth round pick has a lot of value. If you're gonna trade it away, at least get someone with more than 1 year left.

You can roll your eyes all you want. 34 years old is 34 years old. Have fun in fantasy land. Not saying it was a bad move. But we give up 3rd and 4th rounders for players we can only get limited time out of (Duckett, Kendall) and when we trade with teams, we get 6th rounders and conditional picks for good players.

Eric Mangini said:

"We were really comfortable with the trade and the value that we got in the trade," Jets coach Eric Mangini said Thursday morning. "When this opportunity presented itself, we thought it was a good opportunity and, as always, we're trying to make the best decisions to help the team win."

Yeah, a 4th rounder for a 34 year old would make anyone "really comfortable".

Who where we going to get for that 4th rounder in 08 that would help the o-line this year & next?

Wait 'till next year syndrome.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:18 pm**

I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION

WHOS STARTING SATURDAY??????????????????????

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:20 pm**

The Hogster wrote:
Fios wrote:
The Hogster wrote:A fourth round pick is way too much for a 34 year old lineman. A fourth round pick has a lot of value. If you're gonna trade it away, at least get someone with more than 1 year left.

You can roll your eyes all you want. 34 years old is 34 years old. Have fun in fantasy land. Not saying it was a bad move, but a 4th rounder?? They only gave us a 6th for Pat Ramsey who at the time was a young Quarterback, and their vet was injured.

But we give up 3rd and 4th rounders for players we can only get limited time out of (Duckett, Kendall) and when we trade with teams, we get 6th rounders and conditional picks for good players.

Eric Mangini said:

"We were really comfortable with the trade and the value that we got in the trade," Jets coach Eric Mangini said Thursday morning. "When this opportunity presented itself, we thought it was a good opportunity and, as always, we're trying to make the best decisions to help the team win."

Yeah, a 4th rounder for a 34 year old would make anyone "really comfortable". Eric Mangini understands the value of the draft, which is why they are happy as heck with their 4th round pick for a guy who didn't even want to play there any more.

Probably worth noting the actual draft pick hasn't been confirmed yet. But, I know, you scouted all of the available options and determined there was much better value out there for a 4th round pick, I'm sure your application to be the GM will be accepted any moment now.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:20 pm**

SkinsHead56 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
Fios wrote:
The Hogster wrote:A fourth round pick is way too much for a 34 year old lineman. A fourth round pick has a lot of value. If you're gonna trade it away, at least get someone with more than 1 year left.

You can roll your eyes all you want. 34 years old is 34 years old. Have fun in fantasy land. Not saying it was a bad move. But we give up 3rd and 4th rounders for players we can only get limited time out of (Duckett, Kendall) and when we trade with teams, we get 6th rounders and conditional picks for good players.

Eric Mangini said:

"We were really comfortable with the trade and the value that we got in the trade," Jets coach Eric Mangini said Thursday morning. "When this opportunity presented itself, we thought it was a good opportunity and, as always, we're trying to make the best decisions to help the team win."

Yeah, a 4th rounder for a 34 year old would make anyone "really comfortable".

Who where we going to get for that 4th rounder in 08 that would help the o-line this year & next?

Wait 'till next year syndrome.

AKA building for the future and not the quick fix. With that logic, who could we have drafted with the 3rd rounder that we traded for TJ Duckett that could have helped the team LAST year.

I don't know how you view things, but the Skins strap it up every year. The FO was all Giddy about having a full draft next year, we knew Dockery was gone a LOOONG time ago.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:20 pm**

Is anyone else concerned with the fact that the ages of our starting offensive linemen are 30, 34, 31, 31, and 29 (about to turn 30)?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:24 pm**

CanesSkins26 wrote:Is anyone else concerned with the fact that the ages of our starting offensive linemen are 30, 34, 31, 31, and 29 (about to turn 30)?

Not concerned immediately, but I'd like to see a young lineman taken on the first day next year. And Heyer might become a player yet.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:24 pm**

Fios wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
Fios wrote:
The Hogster wrote:A fourth round pick is way too much for a 34 year old lineman. A fourth round pick has a lot of value. If you're gonna trade it away, at least get someone with more than 1 year left.

You can roll your eyes all you want. 34 years old is 34 years old. Have fun in fantasy land. Not saying it was a bad move, but a 4th rounder?? They only gave us a 6th for Pat Ramsey who at the time was a young Quarterback, and their vet was injured.

But we give up 3rd and 4th rounders for players we can only get limited time out of (Duckett, Kendall) and when we trade with teams, we get 6th rounders and conditional picks for good players.

Eric Mangini said:

"We were really comfortable with the trade and the value that we got in the trade," Jets coach Eric Mangini said Thursday morning. "When this opportunity presented itself, we thought it was a good opportunity and, as always, we're trying to make the best decisions to help the team win."

Yeah, a 4th rounder for a 34 year old would make anyone "really comfortable". Eric Mangini understands the value of the draft, which is why they are happy as heck with their 4th round pick for a guy who didn't even want to play there any more.

Probably worth noting the actual draft pick hasn't been confirmed yet. But, I know, you scouted all of the available options and determined there was much better value out there for a 4th round pick, I'm sure your application to be the GM will be accepted any moment now.

Blah Blah Blah. Its been confirmed as a 4th rounder. Why don't you go ask Danny why we made the move now as opposed to months ago. We've known Doc was gone for months. The reason is the guys we thought could step up haven't been able to, and now we're in a mad scramble to fill a hole. History shows reasonable people that when the Skins are feeling a pressing need, they give up more than many other teams would to fill it.

You can call yourself the arbiter of all positive knowledge, however, I will say firmly that I hope the guy is a stud, but he's 34 and a 4th round pick is high value for a guy who probably can't play for more than 1 year healthy.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:25 pm**

SkinsHead56 wrote:Who where we going to get for that 4th rounder in 08 that would help the o-line this year & next?

Wait 'till next year syndrome.

Vinny is that you? Look at the great guys we got this year.

Wait 'till next year syndrome? LOLOLOL. We've not been "winning now" since 1992.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:28 pm**

If it's been confirmed as a 4th rounder, then it has to be 2009's 4th round pick, since we don't have one in 2008.

You think a 4th rounder in 2009 is worth more than a proven veteran for our shaky o-line right now, Hogster?

Now, if the pick is a 5th in this year's draft, then that's something else to weigh. But a 2009 low-round pick is not something to worry about in this case, in my view.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:29 pm**

Wait 'till next year syndrome.

If the FO actually thought about next year instead of always trying to win this year we wouldn't have sucked as much as we have for the past 15 years.

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