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BossHog wrote:

Fios wrote:Hmmm, you seem to have missed a reply that was aimed directly at you ... lemme see if I can remember what it was, it's been so long, nope, found it:

What a shock. I'm still waiting for answers to 2/3 of my first post, let alone the second.

Note to self... if you want to come across as knowledgeable, don't ever skip things directed right at you... it just makes you look clueless as to how to answer them.

You talk down to me, you attack me as a person rather than my post, I don't appreciate that.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote: Yeah I understand linemen need continuity and consistancy in the gelling process with one another. That's probably why it takes our line half a season to really come together and play well, I just hope that's not the case this year. I won't lie, I'm concerned about the line, but if they hold up, the Fins will be very good.

I don't know why you have to take that last shot at me, just keep it about football dude, no need to get personal.

How can you not be concerned about Trent Green, given his age, and the fact he's coming to an all new team - new scheme, new coaches, new WRs, etc.? He's not going to have the timing, etc., down by the season opener. It may take him a number of games to find his rhythm, assuming he does.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

BossHog wrote:

Fios wrote:Hmmm, you seem to have missed a reply that was aimed directly at you ... lemme see if I can remember what it was, it's been so long, nope, found it:

What a shock. I'm still waiting for answers to 2/3 of my first post, let alone the second.

Note to self... if you want to come across as knowledgeable, don't ever skip things directed right at you... it just makes you look clueless as to how to answer them.

You talk down to me, you attack me as a person rather than my post, I don't appreciate that.

Never once have I attacked you personally. Have I challenged virtually everything you say in a manner that you can't answer appropriately?

Apparently.

That's our right as posters. I can't help it if that makes you feel ostracized. Never once have I sworn or made the post specific to you rather than what you posted... but if you want to try and tell me what my own rules are... go ahead... frankly I think it just looks a little desperate.

Good cop out....



... but you can't snow the snowman.



Besides... the Fins were Super bowl FAVORITES last year remember?

Mursilis wrote:

Aqua4Ever04 wrote: Yeah I understand linemen need continuity and consistancy in the gelling process with one another. That's probably why it takes our line half a season to really come together and play well, I just hope that's not the case this year. I won't lie, I'm concerned about the line, but if they hold up, the Fins will be very good.

I don't know why you have to take that last shot at me, just keep it about football dude, no need to get personal.

How can you not be concerned about Trent Green, given his age, and the fact he's coming to an all new team - new scheme, new coaches, new WRs, etc.? He's not going to have the timing, etc., down by the season opener. It may take him a number of games to find his rhythm, assuming he does.

Well first off, it's not a new system, Green has ran it before when he was with Cam in Washington, remember? Trent's a veteran and has seen a few things, I'm sure he will know how to adjust to some new personel, not to mention the receivers are far better in Miami than they are in KC.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Well first off, it's not a new system, Green has ran it before when he was with Cam in Washington, remember?

Um, no... not really, cause it was about... uh... a decade ago! I'm sure Trent remembers it well, though. BTW - Cam runs the SAME plays he did 10 years ago??? Hmm, good luck with that.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:not to mention the receivers are far better in Miami than they are in KC.

I think you meant to say the receivers in Miami are "slightly better" than in KC.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Yeah I understand linemen need continuity and consistancy in the gelling process with one another. That's probably why it takes our line half a season to really come together and play well, I just hope that's not the case this year. I won't lie, I'm concerned about the line

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Yes, I think after this season, people will consider Brown a better runner. So right now, he's not, because he hasn't proven it yet, but he'll prove it this year.

Behind that ALL-PRO o-line that has you so concerned???



"This guy is new, this guy is moving over here, this guy is moving back to his original spot, this guy is taking that spot, this guy we just brought in, this guy moves back over here, we're going to switch these two guys" ... ... ... what was it again???

Yeah, I'm sure Ronnie is looking forward to running behind that line.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Well first off, it's not a new system, Green has ran it before when he was with Cam in Washington, remember?

Um, no... not really, cause it was about... uh... a decade ago! I'm sure Trent remembers it well, though. BTW - Cam runs the SAME plays he did 10 years ago??? Hmm, good luck with that.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:not to mention the receivers are far better in Miami than they are in KC.

I think you meant to say the receivers in Miami are "slightly better" than in KC.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Yeah I understand linemen need continuity and consistancy in the gelling process with one another. That's probably why it takes our line half a season to really come together and play well, I just hope that's not the case this year. I won't lie, I'm concerned about the line

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Yes, I think after this season, people will consider Brown a better runner. So right now, he's not, because he hasn't proven it yet, but he'll prove it this year.

Behind that ALL-PRO o-line that has you so concerned???



"This guy is new, this guy is moving over here, this guy is moving back to his original spot, this guy is taking that spot, this guy we just brought in, this guy moves back over here, we're going to switch these two guys" ... ... ... what was it again???

Yeah, I'm sure Ronnie is looking forward to running behind that line.

damn.

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Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Aqua4Ever04 wrote: Yeah I understand linemen need continuity and consistancy in the gelling process with one another. That's probably why it takes our line half a season to really come together and play well, I just hope that's not the case this year. I won't lie, I'm concerned about the line, but if they hold up, the Fins will be very good.

I don't know why you have to take that last shot at me, just keep it about football dude, no need to get personal.

How can you not be concerned about Trent Green, given his age, and the fact he's coming to an all new team - new scheme, new coaches, new WRs, etc.? He's not going to have the timing, etc., down by the season opener. It may take him a number of games to find his rhythm, assuming he does.

Well first off, it's not a new system, Green has ran it before when he was with Cam in Washington, remember? Trent's a veteran and has seen a few things, I'm sure he will know how to adjust to some new personel, not to mention the receivers are far better in Miami than they are in KC.

As others have already noted, Trent and Cam haven't worked together for a number of years. Besides, Green wasn't looking so hot last year in KC, even before he went down. I really don't know why the 'fins passed on Quinn - you'd think they'd have learned from last year's expirement trying to win with someone else's patched-up, coming off a major injury QB. I really don't think Green is going to do much down in Miami.

I'm pretty confident we will see Trent green be dealt with a lot like Brad Johnson was last year, not necessarily released though. His days are definitely numbered in the NFL.

HailSkins94 wrote:I'm pretty confident we will see Trent green be dealt with a lot like Brad Johnson was last year, not necessarily released though. His days are definitely numbered in the NFL.

It's all speculation at this point. No one can really forecast what's going to happen, but it's not like he doesn't have a terrific track record.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Well first off, it's not a new system, Green has ran it before when he was with Cam in Washington, remember?

Um, no... not really, cause it was about... uh... a decade ago! I'm sure Trent remembers it well, though. BTW - Cam runs the SAME plays he did 10 years ago??? Hmm, good luck with that.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:not to mention the receivers are far better in Miami than they are in KC.

I think you meant to say the receivers in Miami are "slightly better" than in KC.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Yeah I understand linemen need continuity and consistancy in the gelling process with one another. That's probably why it takes our line half a season to really come together and play well, I just hope that's not the case this year. I won't lie, I'm concerned about the line

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Yes, I think after this season, people will consider Brown a better runner. So right now, he's not, because he hasn't proven it yet, but he'll prove it this year.

Behind that ALL-PRO o-line that has you so concerned???



"This guy is new, this guy is moving over here, this guy is moving back to his original spot, this guy is taking that spot, this guy we just brought in, this guy moves back over here, we're going to switch these two guys" ... ... ... what was it again???

Yeah, I'm sure Ronnie is looking forward to running behind that line.

LMFAO at the guy that claimed this owned me. You're dilusional dude.

Okay, the fact is Green and Cameron have familiarity. Why do you think Green was blocking possible deals to Cleveland and Detroit?

Chambers much better than Kennison, Booker's much better than Parker, and Ginn's better than Bowe.

Ronnie had 1008 yards last year despite missing 3 1/2 games. Had he completed the 16 game schedule and didn't suffer a freak broken hand injury, he would've amassed 1248 yards. Keep in mind this is behind a line that took 8 games to figure it out, and a play caller who could be legally mentally challenged. I can't count how many times we abonded the run last year despite constant 5 yard gains by Ronnie.

... and the Dolphins were Super Bowl favorites last year!!



For those of you that may not know, Ronnie Brown had a freak injury when another player's helmet struck his hand in the middle of a football game - I mean, what are the chances of getting nicked in a football game? You hardly ever see a RB get hurt when they're running the ball. Very freak injury, and frankly, proof that all cosmic forces in the universe work adversely to what the Miami Dolphin fans would like. How else could you explain something 'weird' like a RB getting hurt playing football?

If the other teams would just leave Ronnie alone and let him run, he wouldn't get hurt, and he would have like 234,178,119 yards rushing in a season.

Remember that 'freak injury' that Clinton Portis got playing football last year? He'd have had like a gazillion and two yards if it wasn't for the pesky detail of contact in a football game....

Incidentally, fourteen or fifteen guys finished with a BETTER yards per carry average than Brown did... basically half of the league, or that is to say that, Brown was very 'average' when it came to average carry compared to the rest of the league. The Redskins' own Ladell Betts had half a yard more PER carry and had about 150 yards more in nine starts (than in Brown's 12 starts). So I guess Ladell Betts is the second coming... of Ronnie Brown.

You guys are being totally unfair to the Dolphins, engaging in baseless speculation designed to make them look bad when the actual facts tell this story:

The Dolphins were:

- 12th worst in sacks ... OK, so that doesn't help

- (somehow) 9th worst in sack yards ... I assume this means that line was so bad that the Dolphins various backs ran away from it

- 22nd in rushing yards! Oh wait, that also sucks

- 28th in rushing touchdowns, with SEVEN total, that's like one per ... every two games in a 14 game season so take that!

- And 27th in rushing first downs!!!!

So when you actually examine the facts ... they still sucked.

BossHog wrote:... and the Dolphins were Super Bowl favorites last year!!



For those of you that may not know, Ronnie Brown had a freak injury when another player's helmet struck his hand in the middle of a football game - I mean, what are the chances of getting nicked in a football game? You hardly ever see a RB get hurt when they're running the ball. Very freak injury, and frankly, proof that all cosmic forces in the universe work adversely to what the Miami Dolphin fans would like. How else could you explain something 'weird' like a RB getting hurt playing football?

If the other teams would just leave Ronnie alone and let him run, he wouldn't get hurt, and he would have like 234,178,119 yards rushing in a season.

Remember that 'freak injury' that Clinton Portis got playing football last year? He'd have had like a gazillion and two yards if it wasn't for the pesky detail of contact in a football game....

Incidentally, fourteen or fifteen guys finished with a BETTER yards per carry average than Brown did... basically half of the league, or that is to say that, Brown was very 'average' when it came to average carry compared to the rest of the league. The Redskins' own Ladell Betts had half a yard more PER carry and had about 150 yards more in nine starts (than in Brown's 12 starts). So I guess Ladell Betts is the second coming... of Ronnie Brown.

The statement was made to illustrate that he's not an injury prone guy, he just had a freak injury that just happened. It's not like he blew out a knee making a cut, his hand got caught on a helmet, big deal. I can't wait to see Ronnie torch you guys and the entire league this yera, if he's healthy all year, he's going for 2000 total yards.

Fios wrote:You guys are being totally unfair to the Dolphins, engaging in baseless speculation designed to make them look bad when the actual facts tell this story:

The Dolphins were:

- 12th worst in sacks ... OK, so that doesn't help

- (somehow) 9th worst in sack yards ... I assume this means that line was so bad that the Dolphins various backs ran away from it

- 22nd in rushing yards! Oh wait, that also sucks

- 28th in rushing touchdowns, with SEVEN total, that's like one per ... every two games in a 14 game season so take that!

- And 27th in rushing first downs!!!!

So when you actually examine the facts ... they still sucked.

Yes but you fail to mention how terrible the Washington offense was last year as well. The difference is, we had Harrington (one of the worst QBs in the NFL) and he's out now. The Redskins were held under 20 points 9 times last year and were 2-7 in those games. Your offense will be worse than the Miami O this year. It may not be much worse, but we make up the ground over you with our defense. Ranking 4th in the NFL in team defense will only improve with Yeremiah Bell as a full time starter, and Joey Porter signing as our other pass rusher to compliment JT.

There is not a chance in hell the Redskins score more than 20 on the Dolphins, that's something I can guarentee.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Fios wrote:You guys are being totally unfair to the Dolphins, engaging in baseless speculation designed to make them look bad when the actual facts tell this story:

The Dolphins were:

- 12th worst in sacks ... OK, so that doesn't help

- (somehow) 9th worst in sack yards ... I assume this means that line was so bad that the Dolphins various backs ran away from it

- 22nd in rushing yards! Oh wait, that also sucks

- 28th in rushing touchdowns, with SEVEN total, that's like one per ... every two games in a 14 game season so take that!

- And 27th in rushing first downs!!!!

So when you actually examine the facts ... they still sucked.

Yes but you fail to mention how terrible the Washington offense was last year as well. The difference is, we had Harrington (one of the worst QBs in the NFL) and he's out now. The Redskins were held under 20 points 9 times last year and were 2-7 in those games. Your offense will be worse than the Miami O this year. It may not be much worse, but we make up the ground over you with our defense. Ranking 4th in the NFL in team defense will only improve with Yeremiah Bell as a full time starter, and Joey Porter signing as our other pass rusher to compliment JT.

There is not a chance in hell the Redskins score more than 20 on the Dolphins, that's something I can guarentee.

OK, that's it. This post officially reeks of desperation. Sad, very sad to see a man in this state.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Fios wrote:You guys are being totally unfair to the Dolphins, engaging in baseless speculation designed to make them look bad when the actual facts tell this story:

The Dolphins were:

- 12th worst in sacks ... OK, so that doesn't help

- (somehow) 9th worst in sack yards ... I assume this means that line was so bad that the Dolphins various backs ran away from it

- 22nd in rushing yards! Oh wait, that also sucks

- 28th in rushing touchdowns, with SEVEN total, that's like one per ... every two games in a 14 game season so take that!

- And 27th in rushing first downs!!!!

So when you actually examine the facts ... they still sucked.

Yes but you fail to mention how terrible the Washington offense was last year as well. The difference is, we had Harrington (one of the worst QBs in the NFL) and he's out now. The Redskins were held under 20 points 9 times last year and were 2-7 in those games. Your offense will be worse than the Miami O this year. It may not be much worse, but we make up the ground over you with our defense. Ranking 4th in the NFL in team defense will only improve with Yeremiah Bell as a full time starter, and Joey Porter signing as our other pass rusher to compliment JT.

There is not a chance in hell the Redskins score more than 20 on the Dolphins, that's something I can guarentee.

Ummmmmmmmmmm ... what does the quarterback have to do with the offensive line play? And, genius, the terrible Redskins offense finished 13th in the league last year under a new offensive coordinator and two quarter backs. Miami finished 20th. As bad as the Redskins offense was, even they managed to find the end zone more often than the whopping 26 times the Dolphins did. So tell me how a porous offensive line plus an aging, injury-prone QB, plus a running back tandem with the second most fumbles in the league will be better than a very good offensive line plus a second-year quarterback who is playing with one of the top 5 rushing attacks in the game? And try to do it without laughing.

P.S. Telling me how the Redskins offense played doesn't address my point but that's come to be your MO anyway, so I won't be disingenuous and act surprised

I love facts.

Fios wrote:

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Fios wrote:You guys are being totally unfair to the Dolphins, engaging in baseless speculation designed to make them look bad when the actual facts tell this story:

The Dolphins were:

- 12th worst in sacks ... OK, so that doesn't help

- (somehow) 9th worst in sack yards ... I assume this means that line was so bad that the Dolphins various backs ran away from it

- 22nd in rushing yards! Oh wait, that also sucks

- 28th in rushing touchdowns, with SEVEN total, that's like one per ... every two games in a 14 game season so take that!

- And 27th in rushing first downs!!!!

So when you actually examine the facts ... they still sucked.

Yes but you fail to mention how terrible the Washington offense was last year as well. The difference is, we had Harrington (one of the worst QBs in the NFL) and he's out now. The Redskins were held under 20 points 9 times last year and were 2-7 in those games. Your offense will be worse than the Miami O this year. It may not be much worse, but we make up the ground over you with our defense. Ranking 4th in the NFL in team defense will only improve with Yeremiah Bell as a full time starter, and Joey Porter signing as our other pass rusher to compliment JT.

There is not a chance in hell the Redskins score more than 20 on the Dolphins, that's something I can guarentee.

Ummmmmmmmmmm ... what does the quarterback have to do with the offensive line play? And, genius, the terrible Redskins offense finished 13th in the league last year under a new offensive coordinator and two quarter backs. Miami finished 20th. As bad as the Redskins offense was, even they managed to find the end zone more often than the whopping 26 times the Dolphins did. So tell me how a porous offensive line plus an aging, injury-prone QB, plus a running back tandem with the second most fumbles in the league will be better than a very good offensive line plus a second-year quarterback who is playing with one of the top 5 rushing attacks in the game? And try to do it without laughing.

P.S. Telling me how the Redskins offense played doesn't address my point but that's come to be your MO anyway, so I won't be disingenuous and act surprised

Top 5 rushing attack? Explain to me how you talked about that without laughing.

You guys talk about facts all you want, great, but you ignored the one big one I gave you. Washington scored 20 points or less 9 times last year and were 2-7 in those games. The Miami defense allowed more than 20 points only 5 times last year. I know this doesn't have to do with the Miami offense, but I'm showing you that the Skins chances of scoring 20 points on the Fins is basically 0%.

Trent Green is not injury prone, he took one huge hit after 5 consecutive seasons of playing all 16 games. He's old, not injury prone. Every quarterback (or player for that matter) is one hit away from being done forever, don't give me that one.

The Dolphins probably had the worst play calling in the entire league. Suppose Ronnie didn't get hurt, he would've had more than 1200 yards and behind our OL last year and the play calling of Mularky, that's simply remarkable. Ronnie is poised for a 1400 yard year this season and probably around 500 receiving yards as well.

The line needs some work, that's the one area I'm concerned about. Satele is an upgrade and so is Carey at left tackle. We were fine on the right side last year but with a makeshift job, it may take a while to get acclimated to their new positions.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Top 5 rushing attack? Explain to me how you talked about that without laughing.

I'll type slowly: the Redskins rushed for 2,216 yards as a team last season, only three teams had more yards and everyone else in the NFL had fewer, including Miami, with a lot fewer. Ipso facto, the Redskins have a top 5 running game. It's actually not that funny, thus I was able to write that sans laughter. I'll get to the rest later, assuming someone else doesn't beat me to it.

Ronnie is poised for a 1400 yard year this season and probably around 500 receiving yards as well.

Exactly how is Ronnie Brown poised for a 1400yd season behind a line that has played musical chairs this off season? I don't think anyone on that line knows which direction they will be going especially with a new coordinator calling plays. They will have to do a lot of thinking which = slower reacting and it will affect their game. Plus, Trent Green isn't going to get it done through the air. So, lets see how well Brown runs against 8 man fronts.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:The statement was made to illustrate that he's not an injury prone guy, he just had a freak injury that just happened. It's not like he blew out a knee making a cut, his hand got caught on a helmet, big deal.

Sorry, i fail to see any injury that happens IN a football game as much of a 'freak' injury.

Casey Rabach getting thrown from his ATV and gashing his leg last off-season was what I would class a 'freak injury'... players hurt their hands on players' helmets all the time.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:I can't wait to see Ronnie torch you guys and the entire league this yera, if he's healthy all year, he's going for 2000 total yards.

We get it - Ronnie will post some arbitrary amount of rushing yards that according to you will be anywhere from 1400 to 2000 yards. Not exactly a stretch, considering that they have a new quartrback coming into a new system. But you're still ignoring questions...

What happens if Ronnie Brown gets hurt... what will the Dolphins do?

What about Trent Green? What if he gets hurt?

And on the Redskins' offense... no doubt at all that they were dismal last season and couldn't score points, especially at the beginning. A large amount of that comes from learning a new system - you know, the exact same thing that most of us are pointing to as to why Miami's offense could struggle this season?!?!?!?

HOWEVER, we took Brunell out, put Campbell in, and now the kid is going to get his chance. The entire offense has also had a year to learn Saunders' system and grow into it. Brandon Lloyd told us that this year they won't have to think, they just have to play... big difference.

You pin your entire offensive 'hopes' on Ronnie Brown, so maybe you should also take into consideration that our premier running back got hurt in the very first preseason game, and played with that injury for as long as he could. (That also hurt the offense until we brought Betts in and made Clinton sit down and let his injures mend).

Santana Moss was also nicked for a lot of the year.

So other than the fact that our star RB and WR were either dinged or out, or the fact that we changed quarterbacks and converted to a completely new offensive system... i really don't know why our offense sputtered so badly.

I do know that all injuries are healed, our young quarterback is ready and raring to go, and they all have an extra year in the system. To me that's definitely more cause for optimism than bringing in an aging QB who sat most of last year, bringing in a new offensive system, completely juggling an already unstable o-line, and having no depth whatsoever.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Fios wrote:

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Fios wrote:You guys are being totally unfair to the Dolphins, engaging in baseless speculation designed to make them look bad when the actual facts tell this story:

The Dolphins were:

- 12th worst in sacks ... OK, so that doesn't help

- (somehow) 9th worst in sack yards ... I assume this means that line was so bad that the Dolphins various backs ran away from it

- 22nd in rushing yards! Oh wait, that also sucks

- 28th in rushing touchdowns, with SEVEN total, that's like one per ... every two games in a 14 game season so take that!

- And 27th in rushing first downs!!!!

So when you actually examine the facts ... they still sucked.

Yes but you fail to mention how terrible the Washington offense was last year as well. The difference is, we had Harrington (one of the worst QBs in the NFL) and he's out now. The Redskins were held under 20 points 9 times last year and were 2-7 in those games. Your offense will be worse than the Miami O this year. It may not be much worse, but we make up the ground over you with our defense. Ranking 4th in the NFL in team defense will only improve with Yeremiah Bell as a full time starter, and Joey Porter signing as our other pass rusher to compliment JT.

There is not a chance in hell the Redskins score more than 20 on the Dolphins, that's something I can guarentee.

Ummmmmmmmmmm ... what does the quarterback have to do with the offensive line play? And, genius, the terrible Redskins offense finished 13th in the league last year under a new offensive coordinator and two quarter backs. Miami finished 20th. As bad as the Redskins offense was, even they managed to find the end zone more often than the whopping 26 times the Dolphins did. So tell me how a porous offensive line plus an aging, injury-prone QB, plus a running back tandem with the second most fumbles in the league will be better than a very good offensive line plus a second-year quarterback who is playing with one of the top 5 rushing attacks in the game? And try to do it without laughing.

P.S. Telling me how the Redskins offense played doesn't address my point but that's come to be your MO anyway, so I won't be disingenuous and act surprised

Top 5 rushing attack? Explain to me how you talked about that without laughing.

You guys talk about facts all you want, great, but you ignored the one big one I gave you. Washington scored 20 points or less 9 times last year and were 2-7 in those games. The Miami defense allowed more than 20 points only 5 times last year. I know this doesn't have to do with the Miami offense, but I'm showing you that the Skins chances of scoring 20 points on the Fins is basically 0%.

Trent Green is not injury prone, he took one huge hit after 5 consecutive seasons of playing all 16 games. He's old, not injury prone. Every quarterback (or player for that matter) is one hit away from being done forever, don't give me that one.

The Dolphins probably had the worst play calling in the entire league. Suppose Ronnie didn't get hurt, he would've had more than 1200 yards and behind our OL last year and the play calling of Mularky, that's simply remarkable. Ronnie is poised for a 1400 yard year this season and probably around 500 receiving yards as well.

The line needs some work, that's the one area I'm concerned about. Satele is an upgrade and so is Carey at left tackle. We were fine on the right side last year but with a makeshift job, it may take a while to get acclimated to their new positions.

Dude Trent Green is ok at best. Has he ever won a playoff game? I honestly dont know. I personally think letting go of Culpepper was a litte premature. The fins should have at least gave him one more year. Seriously though I see an aging Dolphins defense that once was great and at times can still put up a good fight. This is just another rebuilding year for the Dolphins. Skins just went through the first year of rebuilding and most of our players have been together for a while now. On the other hand the Dolphins squad has many new faces and players who have departed. I am gonna say Skins win it by two touchdowns 21-7 Redskins. The Dolphins are gonna fight for third in there division. I am not trying to argue, I am just keeping it real.

I cant say this enough, Trent Green everyone thinks this guy is so good. He benefited from having an outstanding line, outstanding running backs ala Priest and Larry. He put up good numbers yes. But mark my words he will not flourish behind a suspect O line and what receivers? Ronnie Brown maybe the lone bright spot for the Dolphins. Boy that Nick Saban guy is a jerk. I kinda like the Dolphins organization but Saban just let a bomb go then left the scene. At least there is a new coach there though, he seems smart and probably will turn things around in 2-3 years if they allow him to.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:Top 5 rushing attack? Explain to me how you talked about that without laughing.

See Fios' post.

You guys talk about facts all you want, great, but you ignored the one big one I gave you. Washington scored 20 points or less 9 times last year and were 2-7 in those games. The Miami defense allowed more than 20 points only 5 times last year. I know this doesn't have to do with the Miami offense, but I'm showing you that the Skins chances of scoring 20 points on the Fins is basically 0%.

First, 21 points is arbitrary. The Dolphins, for example, allowed 20 points or more in 8 of 16 contests; by adding a single point the defense doesn't look quite as impenetrable. An opposing team's offense scoring a mere 20 points could have defeated you in 10 contests, and 25 points would have been good enough to take 14 games away from you. Still feeling invincible?

But there is a fallacy involved here, because how much one team's offense scores and how much the other team's offense scores aren't facts that you put together like 2+2; the one influences the other. You're throwing these stats out like this is fantasy football, with a receiver in San Fransisco beating my running back in Jacksonville. Unfortunately, the gameday dynamics are a different beast.

I think what you've shown is that probably – not certainly, but probably – this will be a tight, low scoring game, and I agree with that prediction. But the ending will have little to do with artificial hurtles like "scoring more than 20 points" in the abstract.

Trent Green is not injury prone, he took one huge hit after 5 consecutive seasons of playing all 16 games. He's old, not injury prone. Every quarterback (or player for that matter) is one hit away from being done forever, don't give me that one.

Are you saying that Green is no more prone to injury than a younger player would be?

When is the last time that Green was playing solid football? How did he look coming back from the concussion?

Are you saying that those issues are not of concern to you?

The Dolphins probably had the worst play calling in the entire league. Suppose Ronnie didn't get hurt, he would've had more than 1200 yards and behind our OL last year and the play calling of Mularky, that's simply remarkable. Ronnie is poised for a 1400 yard year this season and probably around 500 receiving yards as well.

That's nice. Oh, did you know that the Redskins are poised for a Superbowl appearance this year?

Are we debating real data or asserting predictions?

Are we debating real data or asserting predictions?

There's a difference? Who knew?