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I absolutely hate this. Dre Bly isn't that great and he will get overpayed if he comes here. The skins are being retarded again and blinding themselves to their real problems. I thought this offseason was to keep chemistry...how does adding a new corner and a corner that hasn't played with us in 2 years keep chemistry especially with a player like Taylor. Our improvements should be coming at dt and de and all the attention is on dre freakin bly. Do you think wrs fear lining up against him, no way. I would take santana one on one against bly all day. He is a corner who has inflated his reputation with big plays.

Houligan26 wrote: He is a corner who has inflated his reputation with big plays.

I'll take those big plays. We currently have two players that have deflated their own reps the same way.
Besides, we already have Santana...you won't have to make that choice.
I see where you're coming from, but we have to do something about our coverage. Why not take a guy who can do the job reasonably well, who happens to want to be here?

gay4drebly.......if we pick him up i will change the userid, It has a great ring to it!

roybus14 wrote:And that's the pickle we are in right now.... Here's something else to think about too. What's the real reason why Bly wants to come here? Money??? If that is the case, it would not make business sense for us to cut loose Springs because of money, only to take on Bly who's probably gonna want more. Then we are back in the same boat we were in with Springs and the cap.

Well from the reading of the JLC blog post I get, they can sign Bly and still have Springs at his current cap hit (need to cut Hall and Patton finally to do it, though).

What I'm thinking is this:

Keep Springs, get Bly in a trade. Then have Springs play FS. And if someone gets injured, we're not screwed at corner like we were this year.

roybus14 wrote:

Snout wrote:

everydayAskinsday wrote:does anyone know what a trade for bly would require? i know alot of you are opposed to making such a move but in bly you get a 29 year old corner who has a knack for creating turnovers something we need desperatly and while i love springs and everything hes done he is 31 and has been slowed by injuries his ENTIRE career not just here in washington and if we could get a younger more durable corner i feel we should .. its not only about next year its about the future.. id rather get 3 or 4 years from bly then one more from springs

I agree. I would add that it does not matter how talented the guy is -- Springs does not have the durability to warrant a $7M cap figure.

And that's the pickle we are in right now.... Here's something else to think about too. What's the real reason why Bly wants to come here? Money??? If that is the case, it would not make business sense for us to cut loose Springs because of money, only to take on Bly who's probably gonna want more. Then we are back in the same boat we were in with Springs and the cap.

He is from Chesapeake, VA and said he grew up a Redskins fan. A lifelong dream to play for us.

Houligan26 wrote:He is a corner who has inflated his reputation with big plays.

Inflated his reputation with big plays? Great. I'd hate to see a guy get an inflated rep for doing nothing.

I like this trade. If we keep Springs at his current salary and he misses half or more of next season due to an injury, it will then prove to be a mistake not to take Bly. Even if Springs stays, will he be here in 2008? I don't think so. His age, injuries and salary will not keep him here beyond this coming season. Even if we don't get Bly, Springs STILL may be gone if he refuses to rework his contract come June 1st. Then we will have a hole to fill and a lack of players to fill that hole with at that point. I like Smoot and Rogers, but we still need another corner.

Bly and a buttload of draft picks? How can that be bad? I challenge anyone who says Springs is better than Bly. How can Springs be better if he's sitting on the bench for more than half the season? Who cares about how much money Bly will want. It can't be that much more than Springs is already getting. And with no guaranteed contracts in the NFL, what difference does it make. If he doesn't produce, he won't get paid. I'm 100% for this trade, but not if it includes Betts.

[quote="SkinsFreak"][quote="Houligan26"]He is a corner who has inflated his reputation with big plays.[/quote]

Inflated his reputation with big plays? Great. I'd hate to see a guy get an inflated rep for doing nothing.

I like this trade. If we keep Springs at his current salary and he misses half or more of next season due to an injury, it will then prove to be a mistake not to take Bly. Even if Springs stays, will he be here in 2008? I don't think so. His age, injuries and salary will not keep him here beyond this coming season. Even if we don't get Bly, Springs STILL may be gone if he refuses to rework his contract come June 1st. Then we will have a hole to fill and a lack of players to fill that hole with at that point. I like Smoot and Rogers, but we still need another corner.

Bly and a buttload of draft picks? How can that be bad? I challenge anyone who says Springs is better than Bly. How can Springs be better if he's sitting on the bench for more than half the season? Who cares about how much money Bly will want. It can't be that much more than Springs is already getting. And with no guaranteed contracts in the NFL, what difference does it make. If he doesn't produce, he won't get paid. I'm 100% for this trade, but not if it includes Betts.[/quote]

Think you missed the point of a portion of my post. We have corners now, one would say we are set at that position. Dre Bly is not a better cover corner than Springs, so yes I will say this. Walt Harris led the nfc in interceptions, does his cb skills look inflated? Answer is yes. We need a pass rush, the 6th pick seems like the place to get a stud pass rusher. Are we going to throw that away for dre bly. With no pass rush, whoopty bly gets 7 picks this season if hes lucky and our defense is still getting malled.

Houligan26 wrote:Think you missed the point of a portion of my post. We have corners now, one would say we are set at that position. Dre Bly is not a better cover corner than Springs, so yes I will say this. Walt Harris led the nfc in interceptions, does his cb skills look inflated? Answer is yes. We need a pass rush, the 6th pick seems like the place to get a stud pass rusher. Are we going to throw that away for dre bly. With no pass rush, whoopty bly gets 7 picks this season if hes lucky and our defense is still getting malled.

I see what you're saying and I agree we need to upgrade the d-line. But fortunately, this years draft class is loaded with solid d-line players. We could still get a great player with the 21st pick. Besides, I thought a lot of Skins fans wanted to trade down anyway.

BTW - we would not be giving up the 6th pick just for Bly. I wouldn't want that either. They are talking about a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and maybe a late rounder. That's not all bad. I don't agree that Springs is a better corner, looking at his age, injuries and lack of playing time, in addition to other intangibles, as support for my opinion.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Houligan26 wrote:Think you missed the point of a portion of my post. We have corners now, one would say we are set at that position. Dre Bly is not a better cover corner than Springs, so yes I will say this. Walt Harris led the nfc in interceptions, does his cb skills look inflated? Answer is yes. We need a pass rush, the 6th pick seems like the place to get a stud pass rusher. Are we going to throw that away for dre bly. With no pass rush, whoopty bly gets 7 picks this season if hes lucky and our defense is still getting malled.

I see what you're saying and I agree we need to upgrade the d-line. But fortunately, this years draft class is loaded with solid d-line players. We could still get a great player with the 21st pick. Besides, I thought a lot of Skins fans wanted to trade down anyway.

BTW - we would not be giving up the 6th pick just for Bly. I wouldn't want that either. They are talking about a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and maybe a late rounder. That's not all bad. I don't agree that Springs is a better corner, looking at his age, injuries and lack of playing time, in addition to other intangibles, as support for my opinion.

I feel that we need to wait until the draft. The value of the pick may rise depending on what happens. Theres time for trades during/inbetween picks.

^^^Agreed, I've got no problem with that.

Agreed. Also I am all for trading down butttt Denver I believe is 21st pick. I feel like Carriker and Okoye are rising on everyones board and might not be there. I guess that is what really scares me. I just don't want to miss a blue chipper because of dre bly. In a perfect world if we could get a starting de, og through the draft and dre bly than im all for it.

Houligan26 wrote:In a perfect world if we could get a starting de, og through the draft and dre bly than im all for it.

Well, I think that's the whole idea behind it and is what the Skins are looking at and hoping for. Me too, btw. Talk about filling some holes and helping the defense, which is what they planned for this offseason. Could turn out real nice.

PulpExposure wrote:What I'm thinking is this:

Keep Springs, get Bly in a trade. Then have Springs play FS. And if someone gets injured, we're not screwed at corner like we were this year.

Dude, you freakin' read my mind. I think that would be an outstanding secondary rat der.

JansenFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:What I'm thinking is this:

Keep Springs, get Bly in a trade. Then have Springs play FS. And if someone gets injured, we're not screwed at corner like we were this year.

Dude, you freakin' read my mind. I think that would be an outstanding secondary rat der.

but won't springs be more likely to get hurt at saftey?

He gets hurt at corner, so what's the difference, really?

JansenFan wrote:He gets hurt at corner, so what's the difference, really?

I understand...we're screwed regardless....

I'm thinking if we get the pass rush gonig strong we can put Springs at nickel IF Rogers and Smoot play their tails off.

But we're talking about IF Dre Bly ends up here. If not, then I think you have to leave Springs at corner, or perhaps a hybrid corner/safety position.

I do not like the trade, keep the 6th pick.

JansenFan wrote:or perhaps a hybrid corner/safety position.

Which is something we got away from due to injuries last year.

Yeah, specifically the injury to Pierson Prioleau. Like I said in the other Bly thread, I'm not saying necessarily that I want Bly here, but if he comes here. I think that we can have an excellent secondary. If not, I'm happy with Smoot and Rogers fighting for number 2 and Springs at 1, especially with Prioleau back. I think it will be much improved regardless.

JansenFan wrote:Yeah, specifically the injury to Pierson Prioleau. Like I said in the other Bly thread, I'm not saying necessarily that I want Bly here, but if he comes here. I think that we can have an excellent secondary. If not, I'm happy with Smoot and Rogers fighting for number 2 and Springs at 1, especially with Prioleau back. I think it will be much improved regardless.

Not to stray too far off topic but we could bring Clark back to remedy this too. We used him as a CB/Safety hybrid also.

S - Taylor
S - Fox
Combo - Clark
Combo - Pierson
Combo - AA
DB - Springs
DB - Rogers
DB - Smoot

I know they can't all be on the field at once but that seems ideal to me.

Well, if we're talking about getting Bly, the #21 pick, and a 3rd round pick, all in return for the #6 pick, then I can see the appeal of the trade. I'd hate to see us trade out of the first round completely, so getting that #21 is key in my opinion.

We'd certainly have more chance of keeping our first choice players on the field, if we move out Springs and bring Bly in. And Bly creates turnovers - not only does he have more career interceptions than Springs, but he's also forced 17 fumbles, which doesn't sound bad at all for a corner.

What I don't know about is Bly as a person. I've read about some attitude issues, but is he just a talker in a Smoot kind of way, or are we talking about real trouble here?

But the most important thing about the rest of this offseason is to retool the defensive line. As far as I'm concerned, anything that we do must not jeopardise that. If the 'Skins really aren't sold on any of the projected top 10 d-linemen, then why not trade down? But I still want us to get a lineman in round one.

With Portis and Moss restructuring, I say go ahead and do the Denver deal if Springs won't budge. We can get a DE at #21 and pick up a G in the third round and let Bugle coach em' up. But make sure that you are clear with Bly on the terms of the new deal before you pull the trigger and not break the bank on him.

The Ryan Clark back is looking more unlikely with the signing of Fox and Preilau recovering.

I think that we are looking good right now. Patience is always a virtue and I think that if we show it, we will see the dividends.

Interesting on Portis and Moss though because it looks from afar like they are creating space to do the Denver deal because Bly may cost a little bit..

roybus14 wrote:The Ryan Clark back is looking more unlikely with the signing of Fox and Preilau recovering.

local sports radio here in Denver just reported that there on an agreement between denver and washington that would send ONLY Bly and the 21st pick for the 6th pick....this CAN'T HAPPEN. Please tell me this isn't going to be the trade.