SkinsJock wrote:It is interesting to see that (IF we keep the #6 pick) some think we will take an offensive playmaker. With what we have and what we need, how can anyone justify taking an offensive playmaker with that pick?
Theoretically I can relate to the thought process that if a player like Calvin Johnson were available and your team needed offensive playmakers that you might consider that - BUT only if you had a different situation than we have - no one in their right mind, with the situation we have here, will spend any time thinking about taking an offensive playmaker with that pick. I am not talking about Gibbs or any of the front office because they have made some terrible mistakes - I am talking about the fans here - how can you say that we should consider an offensive playmaker with the situation we have right now?
Well see, you have to look at the stats. According to NFL.com, we had the 31st-ranked defense this year, so that's going to be fine next season, and we need to look at the offense. Now if we had the 32nd-ranked defense, I'd say it was panic time, but not with the 31st!
I am kind of looking forward to this off-season. From all accounts the "talent" in free agency is mostly on the defensive side and a few of the better quality players look like they will be "tagged". Anyone looking to get "help" before the draft is going to have to really do their homework because there just is not an awful lot of depth this year AND there are a number of teams with the money to both sign their own and go after others.
Our "scouting" and sourcing people had better be doing their homework - this group has not exactly distinguished themselves the last few years.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:It is interesting to see that (IF we keep the #6 pick) some think we will take an offensive playmaker. With what we have and what we need, how can anyone justify taking an offensive playmaker with that pick?
Theoretically I can relate to the thought process that if a player like Calvin Johnson were available and your team needed offensive playmakers that you might consider that - BUT only if you had a different situation than we have - no one in their right mind, with the situation we have here, will spend any time thinking about taking an offensive playmaker with that pick. I am not talking about Gibbs or any of the front office because they have made some terrible mistakes - I am talking about the fans here - how can you say that we should consider an offensive playmaker with the situation we have right now?
The only thing we know for sure is that we won't know anything until about an hour into the draft in April.
For whatever reason, rookies don't start right away for Williams defenses. We've seen that this year with Rocky and we've seen that in the past. Even Rogers and Taylor did not start right away. And when they did eventually play, it took quite some time for them to learn and understand the system. The "right" defensive players brought in via free agency will have a greater impact sooner.
So, with that said, who's to say that the team is not planning on patching many of the holes on defense through free agency and use the 6th pick on an offensive player like Calvin Johnson or ? We don't know what their plan is. We are merely speculating. I'm not saying they will, but it is a scenerio I'm quite sure they will evaluate. An offensive player at the wide receiver position can make immediate contributions to an offense.
As a fan, I most certainly can speculate a scenario where we would take an offensive player in the first round. We've taken a defensive player with our 1st pick the last 3 years in a row, under Gibbs for that matter.
SkinsJock wrote:It is interesting to see that (IF we keep the #6 pick) some think we will take an offensive playmaker. With what we have and what we need, how can anyone justify taking an offensive playmaker with that pick?
Theoretically I can relate to the thought process that if a player like Calvin Johnson were available and your team needed offensive playmakers that you might consider that - BUT only if you had a different situation than we have - no one in their right mind, with the situation we have here, will spend any time thinking about taking an offensive playmaker with that pick. I am not talking about Gibbs or any of the front office because they have made some terrible mistakes - I am talking about the fans here - how can you say that we should consider an offensive playmaker with the situation we have right now?
The only thing we know for sure is that we won't know anything until about an hour into the draft in April.
For whatever reason, rookies don't start right away for Williams defenses. We've seen that this year with Rocky and we've seen that in the past. Even Rogers and Taylor did not start right away. And when they did eventually play, it took quite some time for them to learn and understand the system. The "right" defensive players brought in via free agency will have a greater impact sooner.
While that may be true, it is only because Williams and the rest of the 'skins coaching staff cling to the stubborn (and mistaken) belief that rookies just aren't ready to play from Day 1. Of course the rest of the league knows better, and gets significant productivity from their rookies in their first year. 4 rookies had more sacks than any member of our D, 5 had more picks, and 3 had more tackles. Heck, one rookie, Mike Anderson in Chicago, had 12 sacks, twice as many as our sack leader (Andre Carter), and only 7 less than our entire D!
So, with that said, who's to say that the team is not planning on patching many of the holes on defense through free agency and use the 6th pick on an offensive player like Calvin Johnson or ? We don't know what their plan is. We are merely speculating. I'm not saying they will, but it is a scenerio I'm quite sure they will evaluate. An offensive player at the wide receiver position can make immediate contributions to an offense.
As a fan, I most certainly can speculate a scenario where we would take an offensive player in the first round. We've taken a defensive player with our 1st pick the last 3 years in a row, under Gibbs for that matter.
That's not exactly true - our first 2006 pick was traded to Denver in 2005 and was spent on a QB, Jason Campbell.
brad7686 wrote:i didn't say they should draft him i was sayin he's no mike williams
What makes you so sure?? I remember when Me Shawn was the next Jerry Rice. So was Charles Rogers, David Terrell, Desmond Howard (ugh), etc....
How many championships would Rice have won if Montana and Young hadn't been there? Zip, Zero, Nada, Zilch! Jerry Rice is the closest thing to a WR worth taking in the top ten and he was a taken at #16. Now how many rings would the Tuna have without LT? LT was more of a difference maker than Rice and he was taken #2 overall. The 49er took Ronnie Lott at #8 and he had as much or more of an impact on the niners than Rice did.
WR Should be that last thing on the Skins' mind come draft day. For every great WR there are 100 bust. For every good WR there are 10 busts!
If someone told me that we could draft a WR that would end up in the HOF or a DT that would get there to. you have to takethe DT!
That was exactly the point I was trying to make
Taylor and Landry will take no Prisoners!! - I just can't bring myself to delete it!
brad7686 wrote:i didn't say they should draft him i was sayin he's no mike williams
What makes you so sure?? I remember when Me Shawn was the next Jerry Rice. So was Charles Rogers, David Terrell, Desmond Howard (ugh), etc....
Me shawn-slow Rogers- Psychotic, bad work ethic, injury prone Terrell-slow, ran bad routes Desmond Howard-little
Calvin johnson has none of those issues.
Agreed. But.... Rogers was not a head case, or at least didnt appear to be, in college. Steve Smith and Santana are little, but they weren't the "top" receivers in their respective drafts. My point is while Johnson may be a great reciever, that is not our weakpoint on this team. A pass rush, IMO, is. We need to address that. If we take Johnson, we will have 4 top paid receivers, 5 if you include ey, and will need to score 35/game because the defense will give up 30.
Taylor and Landry will take no Prisoners!! - I just can't bring myself to delete it!
I agree that we really will not "know" anything till 4/28, but it is fun to speculate.
I just am thinking that Gibbs has indicated - "we want to stop the other team's run game and establish our run game" - I know this is a "simplification" of his means to our success but I think it is basically sound.
Last week, I watched a Seattle defense without 3 key players in the secondary make the pukes look silly on offense when they have TO and Glenn, healthy and available, on the field, to throw the ball to. Now I know that Owens is not that reliable but I think everyone would agree that he is a lot better than Calvin Johnson. My point is that even with a vastly superior offense and 2 of the best WRs in the NFL, Dallas did not get the W. I will say that Seattle did not win this game - they were outplayed in almost every aspect - Dallas lost it, but, my point is that in most cases a defense that has a good game plan will beat a team with a much superior offense.
We need to get better on defense. We need to have better players and we need Williams' defensive players to be as effective and disruptive as they can be. Yes, we need depth and players on offense but we really, right now, have a greater need on the defensive side of the ball.
As far as "getting some players through free agency" OR "filling holes on defense with free agents" - this year, the good news for us is that while there are not a lot of offensive free agents available there are a few very highly regarded defensive free agents BUT, the troubling fact is, for the most part, these guys will most likely be either re-signed or "tagged". This is going to mean that our "scouting" department (is there one?) is going to have to really do a great job and not only find players at the positions of need but also find players that "fit" and will make both themselves and the other players around them better! Not easy and we have not done this very well lately. Hopefully we can pull out the stops this year.
We have not been all that good at giving rookies opportunities to "play" because we have some old fashioned thinkers here but we may have to revise that because we need to put the best group out there and some of the younger guys may be the key to a change in the on the field intensity that some of the "experienced" guys have not shown.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I wish the Redskins would sign Charles Rogers to a contract. IMO he's still got a chance to be one of the best.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:I wish the Redskins would sign Charles Rogers to a contract. IMO he's still got a chance to be one of the best.
He's played 15 games in 3.5 years It's just bad luck to be drafted by the Loins at no.1, maybe not bad luck but it sure isn't news in Detroit.
It's a 80% chance they WR again this year
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Skinsfan55 wrote:I wish the Redskins would sign Charles Rogers to a contract. IMO he's still got a chance to be one of the best.
He's played 15 games in 3.5 years It's just bad luck to be drafted by the Loins at no.1, maybe not bad luck but it sure isn't news in Detroit. It's a 80% chance they WR again this year
He should sign with the Pats; Tom Brady can make anyone look good! Heck people even think R. Caldwell and J. Gafney are NFL WRs now! Hey here is a novel idea, maybe Joe Montana and Steve Young had a lot to do with Rice being considered the best of all time! Just like all of the HOF QBs that Monk played for helped him become the NFL's all time leading receiver. Oh, wait, he never had a HOF QB, well he must have had plenty of Probowl QBs, .... NEVERMIND THAT IS WRONG TOO! I guess he was just that good!
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skinsfan#33 wrote:He should sign with the Pats; Tom Brady can make anyone look good! Heck people even think R. Caldwell and J. Gafney are NFL WRs now!
It's Bill B and the Gillette front office they went with Chad Jackson in the 1st round last year after the Redskins prove to the world that the Gators don't produce WRs. Once CJ bombed they grabbed every Gator wideout they could find, thinking somebody has to be able to catch the ball.
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ey, and will need to score 35/game because the defense will give up 30.
