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Hey Brad, your homeboy Betts fumbled again.

He's wayyy better than Portis. /sarcasm

I am still happy that Betts will be playing for us next year and also more happy that he is showing why he is a very good back up to Portis.
Just a shame though that he's not worth very much too anyone else let alone to us

SkinsJock wrote:I am still happy that Betts will be playing for us next year and also more happy that he is showing why he is a very good back up to Portis.

He just needs to hold on to the ball!

Gibbs hates that more than most anything else.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Hey Brad, your homeboy Betts fumbled again.

He's wayyy better than Portis. /sarcasm

It's funny how you focus on that and not the 936 yards from scrimmage the last 6 weeks. Oh, and the fact that they are scoring way more lately than they scored in the beginning of the year, or at any point last year.

SkinsFreak wrote:This thread makes me laugh.

If I were the GM, the only way I would trade Portis is if I got a 1st round pick for him. Then I would use the two 1st round picks on RB Adrian Peterson and a tall receiver like Jeff Samardzija or Calvin Johnson.

I know we need defensive help, but these guys would be nice to have.

Johnson will go too early, we don't need Peterson, and Samardija should go in the late first if not second. I agree though that a big wide receiver wouldnt be a bad move. I would have no issue with them taking Dwayne Jarret or Sidney Rice with a first rounder, Especially if they traded for a second one. I guess Johnson could be a possibility if the Lions or Raiders traded for Portis, but i doubt they will trade a first rounder that early for him. All that said, I like what i see from Gaines Adams. Although they need a linebacker worse than anything after watching what happened tonight.

It's funny how you focus on that and not the 936 yards from scrimmage the last 6 weeks. Oh, and the fact that they are scoring way more lately than they scored in the beginning of the year, or at any point last year.

He's focusing on it because it is a HUGE problem. With the fumble today he is now tied for the NFL lead in fumbles by running backs. His fumble cost us the St. Louis game and had an effect on today's game also. His yards are nice but they are not worth the fumbles that result from him running the ball.

SkinzCanes wrote:

It's funny how you focus on that and not the 936 yards from scrimmage the last 6 weeks. Oh, and the fact that they are scoring way more lately than they scored in the beginning of the year, or at any point last year.

He's focusing on it because it is a HUGE problem. With the fumble today he is now tied for the NFL lead in fumbles by running backs. His fumble cost us the St. Louis game and had an effect on today's game also. His yards are nice but they are not worth the fumbles that result from him running the ball.

I agree, it is a problem. But it helped the last few weeks. EARLY DRAFT PICK! WHOO!

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Hey Brad, your homeboy Betts fumbled again.

He's wayyy better than Portis. /sarcasm

It's funny how you focus on that and not the 936 yards from scrimmage the last 6 weeks. Oh, and the fact that they are scoring way more lately than they scored in the beginning of the year, or at any point last year.

That's because fumbles are momentum changers...the yards then mean NOTHING. As far as scoring, how is ol' Betts doing? He's raking in the TD'S? You must either BE Betts, or in love with him.

This entire thread is a joke. Trading away Portis would be utterly stupid. Saying that, I see that it could be a possibility with this joke of a team.

Champsturf wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Hey Brad, your homeboy Betts fumbled again.

He's wayyy better than Portis. /sarcasm

It's funny how you focus on that and not the 936 yards from scrimmage the last 6 weeks. Oh, and the fact that they are scoring way more lately than they scored in the beginning of the year, or at any point last year.

That's because fumbles are momentum changers...the yards then mean NOTHING. As far as scoring, how is ol' Betts doing? He's raking in the TD'S? You must either BE Betts, or in love with him.

This entire thread is a joke. Trading away Portis would be utterly stupid. Saying that, I see that it could be a possibility with this joke of a team.

I really don't care, i'm just sayin trading portis would not be a bad idea. They are much stronger at rb than they are at any position on the team except maybe qb. There are too many holes on this team, not enough money to spend, and not enough draft picks to improve. Some kind of drastic firesale needs to take place. Trading Portis is the move that makes the most sense.

Champsturf wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Hey Brad, your homeboy Betts fumbled again.

He's wayyy better than Portis. /sarcasm

It's funny how you focus on that and not the 936 yards from scrimmage the last 6 weeks. Oh, and the fact that they are scoring way more lately than they scored in the beginning of the year, or at any point last year.

That's because fumbles are momentum changers...the yards then mean NOTHING. As far as scoring, how is ol' Betts doing? He's raking in the TD'S? You must either BE Betts, or in love with him.

This entire thread is a joke. Trading away Portis would be utterly stupid. Saying that, I see that it could be a possibility with this joke of a team.

the single most important stat in football is turnovers. it doesn't matter if you run for 100, 200, even 300 yards, if you fumble the ball away you're going to lose.

and yes, champsturf, you are correct: this is an absolute joke of a team. the only worse franchises in the entire NFL are detroit and arizona (and probably the raiders now, but that is much more recent-- they at least were very good recently).

we are one of the few absolute "bottom of the barrel", laughingstock teams of the NFL.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Ok Brad, its apparent that you like to ignore the facts. Lets take this one question at a time.

1. Explain why Betts should start when he is oft injured in contrast to Portis? How do we have faith in a player who is injured THAT MUCH and NEVER STARTED till this year?

Actually the FACT of the matter is that Portis is the one who messed up his shoulder and his wrist in one year, and has dropped over a whole yard per carry since leaving denver. Betts is the one who is averaging 4.7 ypc and actually moving the chains behind a line in which a good runningback should move the chains.

Please dont try to compare and contrast injury history between the two. Thats another battle that you dont want to lose. Portis gets injured for the 1st time in his career and you want to bench him for a guy who has been injured A LOT for a bench warmer? Im loving your logic.

Explain Betts fumbling issues....
Gibbs hates guys who turn the ball over. How many fumbles does Betts have before he gets in the dog house? He's at about 1 per game.

Lets not mention that he failed to get out of bounds to stop the clock against the saints before the half.

Betts is a good guy and a good player but he's no CP. No matter what you say.

Betts' two fumbles looked a little less than drops and more like great defensive plays. The defensive player got a helmet directly on the ball today and the other fumble came as a classic punch out. Most backs would have lost the ball on both those occasions. Fumbles are not always bad plays on the part of a ball carrier, nor do all passing TD's come on bad coverage. Having said that, however, I'm betting Betts will work his butt off in the off season. To me the guy seems to have character and I think the develope of a great all-purpose back. What he lacks as a runner, which isn't much, is made up for by his skill as a pass receiver. If Portis isn'tt around, and he doesn't get hurt, he'll go for 2,000.
I guarantee you somebody would give us the farm for this guy, if we we'e willing to give him up, which I'm not.
Nor do I want to give up Portis. We can draft a DE and go after a CB, MLD, and DT FA. The right guys are out there, and available.

IMO if Betts had stayed healthy early in his career the Redskins would never have gotten Clinton Portis... and we'd be better off.

Portis is a good player, he's done a couple things for the Redskins... but he's never won anything with or without us and his constant distractions may be causing more of a problem than we realize.

Skinsfan55 wrote:IMO if Betts had stayed healthy early in his career the Redskins would never have gotten Clinton Portis... and we'd be better off.

Portis is a good player, he's done a couple things for the Redskins... but he's never won anything with or without us and his constant distractions may be causing more of a problem than we realize.

What distractions?

Portis has never won anything with our without us? What player on this team has won anything??

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:IMO if Betts had stayed healthy early in his career the Redskins would never have gotten Clinton Portis... and we'd be better off.

Portis is a good player, he's done a couple things for the Redskins... but he's never won anything with or without us and his constant distractions may be causing more of a problem than we realize.

What player on this team has won anything??

Patten has a ring

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:IMO if Betts had stayed healthy early in his career the Redskins would never have gotten Clinton Portis... and we'd be better off.

Portis is a good player, he's done a couple things for the Redskins... but he's never won anything with or without us and his constant distractions may be causing more of a problem than we realize.

What distractions?

Portis has never won anything with our without us? What player on this team has won anything??

Randel El has also won his ring....with the only TD pass in his SB. Other than that, this team is a bunch of overpaid, underachieving babies.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Portis is a good player, he's done a couple things for the Redskins... but he's never won anything with or without us

Yeah, I'm sure his franchise record rushing season in 2005 had nothing to do with the Redskins going to the playoffs.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Ok Brad, its apparent that you like to ignore the facts. Lets take this one question at a time.

1. Explain why Betts should start when he is oft injured in contrast to Portis? How do we have faith in a player who is injured THAT MUCH and NEVER STARTED till this year?

Actually the FACT of the matter is that Portis is the one who messed up his shoulder and his wrist in one year, and has dropped over a whole yard per carry since leaving denver. Betts is the one who is averaging 4.7 ypc and actually moving the chains behind a line in which a good runningback should move the chains.

Please dont try to compare and contrast injury history between the two. Thats another battle that you dont want to lose. Portis gets injured for the 1st time in his career and you want to bench him for a guy who has been injured A LOT for a bench warmer? Im loving your logic.

Explain Betts fumbling issues....
Gibbs hates guys who turn the ball over. How many fumbles does Betts have before he gets in the dog house? He's at about 1 per game.

Lets not mention that he failed to get out of bounds to stop the clock against the saints before the half.

Betts is a good guy and a good player but he's no CP. No matter what you say.

Betts' two fumbles looked a little less than drops and more like great defensive plays. The defensive player got a helmet directly on the ball today and the other fumble came as a classic punch out. Most backs would have lost the ball on both those occasions. Fumbles are not always bad plays on the part of a ball carrier, nor do all passing TD's come on bad coverage. Having said that, however, I'm betting Betts will work his butt off in the off season. To me the guy seems to have character and I think the develope of a great all-purpose back. What he lacks as a runner, which isn't much, is made up for by his skill as a pass receiver. If Portis isn'tt around, and he doesn't get hurt, he'll go for 2,000.
I guarantee you somebody would give us the farm for this guy, if we we'e willing to give him up, which I'm not.
Nor do I want to give up Portis. We can draft a DE and go after a CB, MLD, and DT FA. The right guys are out there, and available.

Yo, Crazy1, fumbles are always the RBs fault. He should have protected the ball better! Cut and dry. As far as the Portis trade it would hurt the team mostly in two ways. The Cap hit, but most importantly it would fracture the locker room! Portis WAS the Washington Redskins in 2005 and plenty of players remember that! His production on the field can be replaced!

Brad7686 wrote:They are much stronger at rb than they are at any position on the team except maybe qb.

I don't know if you are joking or not. Yes we are strong at RB, BUT QB... ? ... ? get freaking real! JC has plenty of upside, but still needs to get there, the #8 I has absolutely nothing left, and Collins no one knows about because no one has felt comfortable enough with him to give him a shot this decade! We are FAR from deep at QB! JC is one more bad slide from loosing his head and then we are right back to the #8 nightmare! I'de say QB is one of our thinnest spots!
If Portis was traded we would be left with Betts with a injury and fumble history and Rock, because mambe-pambe (AKA Duckett is gone already) (man a high 3rd pick for 132 yards - what a bargain!)

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm watching the saints game again. I didn't know that Betts fumbled in that game too.

@ those thinking we should rely soley on a RB that can't hold on to the ball..., thats 2 games in a row. He got lucky we got the ball back against the Saints, if not that could have cost us the game. Say what you may about the defense last week, Betts lost that game.

ALMOST 600 yards offense! The D and the D alone is responsible for that game. How about not letting the Rams move from where Betts gave up the ball or give up 300 yards to Steven Jackson. Betts' fumble would have been meeningless if the D had even gotten on the plane to St Louis! Betts was the only reason the Skins were in that game.

Champsturf wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:IMO if Betts had stayed healthy early in his career the Redskins would never have gotten Clinton Portis... and we'd be better off.

Portis is a good player, he's done a couple things for the Redskins... but he's never won anything with or without us and his constant distractions may be causing more of a problem than we realize.

What distractions?

Portis has never won anything with our without us? What player on this team has won anything??

Randel El has also won his ring....with the only TD pass in his SB. Other than that, this team is a bunch of overpaid, underachieving babies.

Hmmm....so basically you hate the Skins and you spend your time writing hundreds and hundreds of posts telling us that. Thanks for your input. Is it possible to put these on a Cowpuke site? That's probably your real team anyway.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Champsturf wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:IMO if Betts had stayed healthy early in his career the Redskins would never have gotten Clinton Portis... and we'd be better off.

Portis is a good player, he's done a couple things for the Redskins... but he's never won anything with or without us and his constant distractions may be causing more of a problem than we realize.

What distractions?

Portis has never won anything with our without us? What player on this team has won anything??

Randel El has also won his ring....with the only TD pass in his SB. Other than that, this team is a bunch of overpaid, underachieving babies.

Hmmm....so basically you hate the Skins and you spend your time writing hundreds and hundreds of posts telling us that. Thanks for your input. Is it possible to put these on a Cowpuke site? That's probably your real team anyway.

Maybe this is why I usually skip your posts. You can't even stay on topic here. All you did was put words into my mouth and slam me. Well done.

I LOVE the Skins and hate underaheivers. I'm sorry that you're so offended. I'm sure that you have the ability to put those on a Cowboy site and you have my permission to do so. I just have never been to one and have no desire to find one. Good luck to you with that.

I still say Portis belongs here. I was against the trade when it happened, but was happy to get a good player for one that didn't want to be here. After watching him play for the Skins, I turned into a total believer in him. He plays with so much heart, which is perfectly illustrated when he pass blocks or has to chase someone down after a fumble or a Brunell INT. He might be handy to have around if he and Betts are in the same backfield.

Champsturf wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Champsturf wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:IMO if Betts had stayed healthy early in his career the Redskins would never have gotten Clinton Portis... and we'd be better off.

Portis is a good player, he's done a couple things for the Redskins... but he's never won anything with or without us and his constant distractions may be causing more of a problem than we realize.

What distractions?

Portis has never won anything with our without us? What player on this team has won anything??

Randel El has also won his ring....with the only TD pass in his SB. Other than that, this team is a bunch of overpaid, underachieving babies.

Hmmm....so basically you hate the Skins and you spend your time writing hundreds and hundreds of posts telling us that. Thanks for your input. Is it possible to put these on a Cowpuke site? That's probably your real team anyway.

Maybe this is why I usually skip your posts. You can't even stay on topic here. All you did was put words into my mouth and slam me. Well done.

I LOVE the Skins and hate underaheivers. I'm sorry that you're so offended. I'm sure that you have the ability to put those on a Cowboy site and you have my permission to do so. I just have never been to one and have no desire to find one. Good luck to you with that.

I still say Portis belongs here. I was against the trade when it happened, but was happy to get a good player for one that didn't want to be here. After watching him play for the Skins, I turned into a total believer in him. He plays with so much heart, which is perfectly illustrated when he pass blocks or has to chase someone down after a fumble or a Brunell INT. He might be handy to have around if he and Betts are in the same backfield.

I addressed this point, made by yourself, "Other than that, this team is a bunch of overpaid, underachieving babies."

I'm sorry, I did not put those words in your mouth. Re-read your own post.

I do NOT need to reread my own post. I know exactly what I said and never once did I say that I hated the Skins and do not posts hundreds of times telling you so. THOSE were the words you put into my mouth. Get off you high horse PLEASE!!!

Okay guys... cool it or take it to Smack please.

Jake wrote:Okay guys... cool it or take it to Smack please.

Sorry Jake. I should know better than stooping to the level of his posts. I'll ignore it in the future.

Why is this subject even going still? THere is no way we are trading Portis.