I doubt it's one of the big name players. I say that because they tend to avoid things like the article that can cause problems in the locker room. And contrary to a lot of views it's hard to play in the NFL w/o some brains. If you're a big name player and slam your team, including the coaches, you are hurting yourself and that's not why they make so much money.
I think it's a journeyman sub resenting they are not playing more. Not that it makes them "wrong" but it tints their view and maybe they don't get the attention they want from the coaches, which makes them describe the coaches as arrogant and out of touch in general, not just with them.
I would have to disagree. It's pretty clear from the article that the defensive player that was quoted has been here since the start of the Gibbs' second tenure here. Based on the 2004 roster that leaves the following defensive players as possibilities: Springs, Griffin, Washington, Daniels, Wynn, Sean Taylor, Lemar Marshall, Salavea'a, and Demetric Evans (hopefully I didn't miss anybody). I think you can immediately eliminate Taylor (he never talks to the media), Wynn (least likely player to say something like this imo), and Washington (based on his comments he seems like a big GW fan). That leaves Springs, Griffin, Daniels, Marshall, Salavae'a, and Evans. The players also makes several references to the dline as "them" and refers to Griffin by name (so knock him out). Salave'a has a pretty long history with GW so I'm eliminating him also.
That leaves Daniels, Springs, Evans, and Marshall. Some of the comments also make it seem like the player in question has been around the NFL for a while. Scracth Evans then and you're left with Marshall, Daniels, and Springs. Daniels has come out and defended the coaching staff to the media so I have doubts about it being him. You're left with Marshall and Springs. Thinking some more about it could be either guy. At first I thought Springs because the player had a lot of detailed info about the secondary. But seeing as how GW relies heavily on his MLB and Marshall has been struggling somewhat this season, I could see him catching a lot of crap from GW and being fed up by it. Obviosuly this is pure conjecture on my part and I could be wrong, but I'd bet on it being either Marshall or Springs.
"Archuletta on the sidelines is a plus for Redskins fans" - Brian Mitchell
I doubt it's one of the big name players. I say that because they tend to avoid things like the article that can cause problems in the locker room. And contrary to a lot of views it's hard to play in the NFL w/o some brains. If you're a big name player and slam your team, including the coaches, you are hurting yourself and that's not why they make so much money.
I think it's a journeyman sub resenting they are not playing more. Not that it makes them "wrong" but it tints their view and maybe they don't get the attention they want from the coaches, which makes them describe the coaches as arrogant and out of touch in general, not just with them.
I would have to disagree. It's pretty clear from the article that the defensive player that was quoted has been here since the start of the Gibbs' second tenure here. Based on the 2004 roster that leaves the following defensive players as possibilities: Springs, Griffin, Washington, Daniels, Wynn, Sean Taylor, Lemar Marshall, Salavea'a, and Demetric Evans (hopefully I didn't miss anybody). I think you can immediately eliminate Taylor (he never talks to the media), Wynn (least likely player to say something like this imo), and Washington (based on his comments he seems like a big GW fan). That leaves Springs, Griffin, Daniels, Marshall, Salavae'a, and Evans. The players also makes several references to the dline as "them" and refers to Griffin by name (so knock him out). Salave'a has a pretty long history with GW so I'm eliminating him also.
That leaves Daniels, Springs, Evans, and Marshall. Some of the comments also make it seem like the player in question has been around the NFL for a while. Scracth Evans then and you're left with Marshall, Daniels, and Springs. Daniels has come out and defended the coaching staff to the media so I have doubts about it being him. You're left with Marshall and Springs. Thinking some more about it could be either guy. At first I thought Springs because the player had a lot of detailed info about the secondary. But seeing as how GW relies heavily on his MLB and Marshall has been struggling somewhat this season, I could see him catching a lot of crap from GW and being fed up by it. Obviosuly this is pure conjecture on my part and I could be wrong, but I'd bet on it being either Marshall or Springs.
Seems pretty feasible. I don't however think that it is someone who was necesarrily here for the whole Gibbs tenure, but I do think that its a secondary player. Could be a guy like Ade Jimoh, Prileaou, or Springs.
I dont think its Archuletta. He just hasnt been around long enough to care about what happened to players prior to his arrival. Sounds like Springs or Griff. I know Griff and Lavar Arrington were pretty tight back when he was here... he might still be pissed about G-Dub calling his friend 'replaceable' and subsequently giving him his walking papers. And as for Springs, he spent a good chunk of the season on the sideline due to injury. Thats alot of practices, games and meetings were the only thing he can do is sit back and observe the situation and listen to the complaints. In my opinion, its gotta be Griff or springs.
KazooSkinsFan wrote: Interesting you quoted me then made a differnt point then what I said. I commented on position. You commented on role.
Actually being a DE means his is more required to participate in the run stop. Maybe that's why SF didn't have him play DE. But he wants to play DE. You can't just power rush and ignore the run as a DE. Remember Dexter? The issues there? He was a great pass rusher but we always had issues containing the run. Versus Charles Mann on the other side who did both so well.
From friends of mine who are SF fans, he's a terrible linebacker. I don't think we need another one of those. But he played his best in SF as a 4-3 end.
But most of the best pass-rushers are also poor run defenders. Honestly, it's because most of them rely on speed to rush the passer, and are thus pretty light. I think this is why you see the 3-4 coming back; because you can hide your 260 pound passrusher in a 3-4 as a linebacker.
Dwight Freeney stinks at stopping the run, as do John Abraham, Simeon Rice, Leonard Little. Bruce Smith, a great player, wasn't ever any good at it.
Yeah you have your Reggie Whites and Julius Peppers, but they're the exception rather than the rule.
KazooSkinsFan wrote: Interesting you quoted me then made a differnt point then what I said. I commented on position. You commented on role.
Actually being a DE means his is more required to participate in the run stop. Maybe that's why SF didn't have him play DE. But he wants to play DE. You can't just power rush and ignore the run as a DE. Remember Dexter? The issues there? He was a great pass rusher but we always had issues containing the run. Versus Charles Mann on the other side who did both so well.
From friends of mine who are SF fans, he's a terrible linebacker. I don't think we need another one of those. But he played his best in SF as a 4-3 end.
But most of the best pass-rushers are also poor run defenders. Honestly, it's because most of them rely on speed to rush the passer, and are thus pretty light. I think this is why you see the 3-4 coming back; because you can hide your 260 pound passrusher in a 3-4 as a linebacker.
Dwight Freeney stinks at stopping the run, as do John Abraham, Simeon Rice, Leonard Little. Bruce Smith, a great player, wasn't ever any good at it.
Yeah you have your Reggie Whites and Julius Peppers, but they're the exception rather than the rule.
Everything you're saying makes sense. I said "maybe" because I dont' know how LB turned out. I was just thinking if he impressed us enough to sign him w/o being able to be a strong DE then maybe he was better at that. I take your SF friend as a more educated opionon on that.
But the original poster was knocking that his size should not leave him having to battle offensive linemen. Even poor run DEs have to rush within limits and at least make the RBs go around them giving others time to tackle. They do not run free and abandon their side. If they are not there at all you end up in a LaVar situation where RBs run free.
If they are not there at all you end up in a LaVar situation where RBs run free.
Um in case you didn't notice our run defense improved drastically once Lavar was inserted into the starting lineup last season. We were getting gauged on the weak side last year with Holdam in the lineup (for a reminder see the KC and Denver games). Lavar did a lot of things wrong in his time here and in the end wore out his welcome, but one thing that he did well was play against the run.
"Archuletta on the sidelines is a plus for Redskins fans" - Brian Mitchell
If they are not there at all you end up in a LaVar situation where RBs run free.
Um in case you didn't notice our run defense improved drastically once Lavar was inserted into the starting lineup last season. We were getting gauged on the weak side last year with Holdam in the lineup (for a reminder see the KC and Denver games). Lavar did a lot of things wrong in his time here and in the end wore out his welcome, but one thing that he did well was play against the run.
As SkinzCanes points out, it's not just AC. It's a weak linebacker behind him as well. You sign a 260 pound DE, with a rep of not playing the run too well, you schematically ensure that it's not a weakness.
I say either play Wynn on obvious running downs (including 1st and 10) for Carter, or just shade the SS and linebackers over that side some more.
If they are not there at all you end up in a LaVar situation where RBs run free.
Um in case you didn't notice our run defense improved drastically once Lavar was inserted into the starting lineup last season. We were getting gauged on the weak side last year with Holdam in the lineup (for a reminder see the KC and Denver games). Lavar did a lot of things wrong in his time here and in the end wore out his welcome, but one thing that he did well was play against the run.
Wow, overwhelming vague claim with no stats or tie to LaVar. Certainly blows me away. I'm humbled and so sorry I ever said that LaVar couldn't work within the D scheme. Turns out I made it up and all the issues with him not playing within the D were a vague rumor started by me and picked up by the coaches, media and his team mates.
If they are not there at all you end up in a LaVar situation where RBs run free.
Um in case you didn't notice our run defense improved drastically once Lavar was inserted into the starting lineup last season. We were getting gauged on the weak side last year with Holdam in the lineup (for a reminder see the KC and Denver games). Lavar did a lot of things wrong in his time here and in the end wore out his welcome, but one thing that he did well was play against the run.
Wow, overwhelming vague claim with no stats or tie to LaVar. Certainly blows me away. I'm humbled and so sorry I ever said that LaVar couldn't work within the D scheme. Turns out I made it up and all the issues with him not playing within the D were a vague rumor started by me and picked up by the coaches, media and his team mates.
Its true that our run defense imporved dramatically when Arrington started. Remember all the long runs we gave up last year on the weakside during the first several weeks?
Wow, overwhelming vague claim with no stats or tie to LaVar. Certainly blows me away. I'm humbled and so sorry I ever said that LaVar couldn't work within the D scheme. Turns out I made it up and all the issues with him not playing within the D were a vague rumor started by me and picked up by the coaches, media and his team mates.
Before Lavar became a fulltime starter: 130 yards rushing per game.
After Lavar: 87 yards per game.
43 less rushing yards per game.
"Archuletta on the sidelines is a plus for Redskins fans" - Brian Mitchell
Wow, overwhelming vague claim with no stats or tie to LaVar. Certainly blows me away. I'm humbled and so sorry I ever said that LaVar couldn't work within the D scheme. Turns out I made it up and all the issues with him not playing within the D were a vague rumor started by me and picked up by the coaches, media and his team mates.
Before Lavar became a fulltime starter: 130 yards rushing per game.
After Lavar: 87 yards per game.
43 less rushing yards per game.
Just checking your logic. So since the Skins stats overall improved against the run, that means that LaVar was no longer out of position. At least you have stats now, but I was criticizing LaVar, not the overall run D from last year.
So in your mind, you don't need to address LaVar at all. Or provide stats from when he was on the field, just when he played regularly again. I criticize him and you say the overall team D against the run improved, ergo I'm wrong.
OK.
BTW, had LaVar learned to play within the system he would still be here.
Wow, overwhelming vague claim with no stats or tie to LaVar. Certainly blows me away. I'm humbled and so sorry I ever said that LaVar couldn't work within the D scheme. Turns out I made it up and all the issues with him not playing within the D were a vague rumor started by me and picked up by the coaches, media and his team mates.
Before Lavar became a fulltime starter: 130 yards rushing per game.
After Lavar: 87 yards per game.
43 less rushing yards per game.
I'm confused, this is just to vague.
To back up to the beginning, I made a general reference to the issue with LaVar being out of position, meaning no one was there. Leading to first downs+ in a DE discussion. You came back with our run D improved when he came back last year.
As I re-read I don't even know what your position is or how you thought what you said negated my argument. I'm just asking for clarification here.
Are you saying:
a) There never was any issue with LaVar being out of position?
b) OK, there was earlier but he had resolved it when he came back?
c) Something else
a) There never was any issue with LaVar being out of position? b) OK, there was earlier but he had resolved it when he came back? c) Something else
I think that the whole Lavar not knowing the defense and always being out of position was WAY overblown. It's interesting that he supposedly didn't know the defense last year and Holdman did, but when Lavar replaced him the defense all of a sudden started playing better, especially against the run. The scheme is only one part of playing defense. As Ken Harvey pointed out on Postgame Live on Sunday, the scheme is only effective if you have players that can execute it. Clearly, based on last season and this season, Holdman can't do the job. He is constantly out of position, can't get off of blocks, and misses tackles. Last season the right side of the defense was constantly gauged for big running plays on the right side because Holdman wasn't physical enough to get off of his blocks. Lavar replaced him, teams stopped gashing that side of the defense, and the overall defense improved. Was Lavar always in position? I don't know. He very well might not have been. But I'll take Lavar over Holdman every single time. Should we have kept Lavar? I'm not necesssarily saying that. But imo it was a mistake to let him go only to replace him with Holdman. They drafted Macintosh, but for some reason wont let him play. So we are stuck with Warrick and Carter on the right side of our defense and I don't see them being able to consistantly stop the run. In fact I'll go so far as to say that Holdman is one of the worst linebackers that I have ever seen play in the NFL.
"Archuletta on the sidelines is a plus for Redskins fans" - Brian Mitchell
a) There never was any issue with LaVar being out of position? b) OK, there was earlier but he had resolved it when he came back? c) Something else
I think that the whole Lavar not knowing the defense and always being out of position was WAY overblown. It's interesting that he supposedly didn't know the defense last year and Holdman did, but when Lavar replaced him the defense all of a sudden started playing better, especially against the run. The scheme is only one part of playing defense. As Ken Harvey pointed out on Postgame Live on Sunday, the scheme is only effective if you have players that can execute it. Clearly, based on last season and this season, Holdman can't do the job. He is constantly out of position, can't get off of blocks, and misses tackles. Last season the right side of the defense was constantly gauged for big running plays on the right side because Holdman wasn't physical enough to get off of his blocks. Lavar replaced him, teams stopped gashing that side of the defense, and the overall defense improved. Was Lavar always in position? I don't know. He very well might not have been. But I'll take Lavar over Holdman every single time. Should we have kept Lavar? I'm not necesssarily saying that. But imo it was a mistake to let him go only to replace him with Holdman. They drafted Macintosh, but for some reason wont let him play. So we are stuck with Warrick and Carter on the right side of our defense and I don't see them being able to consistantly stop the run. In fact I'll go so far as to say that Holdman is one of the worst linebackers that I have ever seen play in the NFL.
Fair enough on your view. The weakness in your argument is that the that side has been an issue so improving it is an argument but not an overwhelming one.
I admit I have a grudge too. I was a big supporter of his and was thrilled when he signed the contract extension. Then that stupid bonus thing went on for most of 2 seasons. We used so much money and cap space on the guy. I'm sure the bonus was discussed, probably with a lot of other numbers thrown around. But while Snyder's judgement on players can be questioned, it makes no sense that he gave a guy 60 mil and then screwed him out of 5. Yet LaVar wouldn't let it go. When you are getting that much money and it's not in the contract, the best way to not let it affect you is to drop it.
And you have to admit, he took a lot of stupid penalties too.
I'm not agreeing with you on the position, but I admit it's opinion. I'm just saying there are other issues and we keep hearing the Love LaVar crowd lately.
Fair enough on your view. The weakness in your argument is that the that side has been an issue so improving it is an argument but not an overwhelming one.
I admit I have a grudge too. I was a big supporter of his and was thrilled when he signed the contract extension. Then that stupid bonus thing went on for most of 2 seasons. We used so much money and cap space on the guy. I'm sure the bonus was discussed, probably with a lot of other numbers thrown around. But while Snyder's judgement on players can be questioned, it makes no sense that he gave a guy 60 mil and then screwed him out of 5. Yet LaVar wouldn't let it go. When you are getting that much money and it's not in the contract, the best way to not let it affect you is to drop it.
And you have to admit, he took a lot of stupid penalties too.
I'm not agreeing with you on the position, but I admit it's opinion. I'm just saying there are other issues and we keep hearing the Love LaVar crowd lately.
I'm not really upset that Lavar was released. Didn't really bother me to be honest. What upsets me is that they let him go, knowing how much Holdman struggled last season, and didn't really do much to upgrade the position. What I was trying to argue with the stats that I posted is that the right side of our defense is a weakness mostly because of Holdman and they are doing nothing about it even though they have Rocky on the bench. I can't imagine that they would give Holdman the starting job next season so why not let Rocky play to see if he can get the job done.
"Archuletta on the sidelines is a plus for Redskins fans" - Brian Mitchell
SkinzCanes wrote:I'm not really upset that Lavar was released. Didn't really bother me to be honest. What upsets me is that they let him go, knowing how much Holdman struggled last season, and didn't really do much to upgrade the position. What I was trying to argue with the stats that I posted is that the right side of our defense is a weakness mostly because of Holdman and they are doing nothing about it even though they have Rocky on the bench. I can't imagine that they would give Holdman the starting job next season so why not let Rocky play to see if he can get the job done.
I'm astounded by the turn against Lavar across the board. He was always a fan favorite, three time pro bowler, and one of the most atheletic players on the team. And he always commented that he wanted to remain a Redskin until he retired. That is until he became Williams whipping boy.....and that is exactly when Lavar's "attitude" was born.
He didn't get to the pro bowl three times in 5 years for being a bum or being too stupid to understand and play a particular scheme, and I don't think he cared much for the insinuation that he was. Williams and Lindsey treated him like a 2nd level player, and that was a tough thing for any competitive player to accept....especially a PRO BOWL defensive team leader.
Make no mistake....coaches can make or break a player by the way they use that player....the positions they put that player in, and the roles they demand from that player.
Great coaches recognize an individual player's talent, strengths and weaknesses, and put that player in positions that complement their skills, while minimizing their exposure to their particular weaknesses. The reverse is equally possible, and you just don't ignore those basics when developing a "scheme". Williams often talks about his "packages" as if they are the holy grail.....this year, his packages have been stomped on, stamped, and mailed back to him repeatedly. And he has refused or failed to adjust accordingly.
I believe (and have been saying all year) that this "new information from an unnamed source" is no news scoop to anyone who has been watching this situation develop over the past two seasons. Williams and particularly Lindsey have demonstrated their arrogance clearly, and have been doing so long enough to take this group from the Penthouse to the outhouse in two short years.
Willaims inherrited a core group of defensive players and combined his scheme to create an awesome defense in 2004. Since 2004, and his annointment to god like status, he has repeatedly made poor decisions on personnel......"decisions" with an S. And although hindsight is 2020, how can anyone not see now what the problems are? In plain terms, schemes don't play football, football players do. Schemes simply create favorable matchups, and put players in position to make plays.
Peirce was one of the most glarring errors in judgement.....you just don't let your MLB go unless you have someone BETTER to replace him. This is the quarterback of your defense. AND IT IS NOT SIMPLY PLUG AND PLAY any old warm body out there as might be believed by Williams and his almighty flavor of defense that doesn't need players in order to succeed. Holdman for Arrington? PLEASE. Archuletta for Clark? And the list goes on....
Frankly....as much as I think of Portis....I believe that Denver got the better end of the deal with Bailey. (Not Williams fault on this one) There are several RB's out there equal to or better than Clinton, but there is not one corner in the league who can hold a candle to Champ. That was the first in a long line of poor personnel decisions that Gibbs must ultimately be held accountable.
And Joe must also be held accountable for whatever Williams or Lindsey or anyone else does that has contributted to this unacceptable showing from the highest salaried staff and team in the NFL.
For those who suggest that it is the players and not the coaches missing tackles, and playing out of position, I would use the Panthers game as proof positive that demonstrates culpability.
First off, Williams decided to play matchups...Springs on Smith, Rodgers on Johnson, and let the damned players play for the first time this season!!! He let the defensive line play to their strengths which finally produced some pressure. Rodgers and Springs played outstanding against two fine recievers. DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS THE EMACULATE CONCEPTION?? That somehow, overnight, Rodgers learned how to play cornerback?
All season long, Rodgers has been lined up 10 yards or more off the line....you can't expect anyone to play corner like that....especially on 3rd and 5. This is designed faliure, and why the Redskins have been so poor on 3rd down.....forcing a corner to cover a reciever who has free movement off the line....no disruption of rout timing, and forcing the corner to close on, instead of run with.....which also places them in the perfect situation for getting killed on double moves. Offenses have been doing this to us ALL year. They see the CB's 10 yards off the line...throw quick short screens and crossing patterns. One pump, and a double move later, your reciever is running downfield wide open for the deep ball with no safety help. I'm sorry....but this is not what I call genius schemes.
The safeties.....including ST have been out of position and beaten deep so often, that it's almost painful to watch. But of course, it couldn't possibly be Williams scheme.....those players just aren't doing a good job.
When has Williams ever once this season taken responsibility for the poor defense he's put on the field....? Never. He benches players, and Lindsey screams at them.
This unnamed source has described exactly, to a tee, what is wrong with the Redskins this year. And the Panthers game proves the point entirely.
Williams re-evaluation and different approach produced excellent results. If anything, this was a wakeup call to Snyder and Gibbs. I think marching orders were given to stop doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.
Something that should have happened a long time ago. That's Gibbs fault.
LA's attitude was turning sour prior to Williams' tenure, the off-season mood swings began in the Spurrier era. I've said this repeatedly: I am, and always will be, thankful to Lavar for the excitement he brought, I was at the game when he had the pick against Carolina. I was in the club level seats and so many people had left at that point that I ran through empty rows for the last 25 yards of that. Great times, big plays, amazing highlights.
None of that makes him a top-flight LB, I maintained when he signed the initial deal that the Redskins had overpaid him, so this is not something learned in hindsight.
Go back and look at his stats, look at the stats of other middle linebackers or LBs in general at that same time. LA had unquestionable talent but the question of unfufilled promise remains.
Williams is responsible for the defense or lack thereof no matter whether that is due to bad preparation/game planning or due to bad play by the players. He is responsible. He also gets credit for when things work out.
The same applies to the offensive side of the ball that is all on Saunders. With Special Teams it is all on Danny Smith.
That being said the overall team performance or lack thereof is on Gibbs.
This week the defensive side of the ball (Williams) deserve a lot of kudos for the win.
The remaining games are just as important in fact more so than the games we have played because those games will give us an indication of what this team is made of - we are who we are.
Hopefully everybody comes to play on Sunday because no matter who is to blame for whatever has happened this season, it matters not a single bit.
This team needs to just win this game this week.
This team is as good or as bad as it is now - NOT on how it played or lost any game this season. This is the NFL - The Pittsburgh Steelers were the choice to go to the Super Bowl and Chicago lost to Miami in Chicago
I want to beat the Atlanta Falcons in this game - that is all that matters - nobody really believes the players play better because some idiot wrote an article - the players do not read stupid analysis of how their system is or is not working - they just play.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
RayNAustin wrote:I'm astounded by the turn against Lavar across the board.
You whine enough, people get sick of hearing it.
He didn't get to the pro bowl three times in 5 years for being a bum or being too stupid to understand and play a particular scheme,
He made the Pro-Bowl based off of all the ESPN Highlights of his big hits. He wasn't a consistent player at all.
Willaims inherrited a core group of defensive players and combined his scheme to create an awesome defense in 2004. Since 2004, and his annointment to god like status, he has repeatedly made poor decisions on personnel......"decisions" with an S.
Williams was the driving force behind signing Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, and Cornelius Griffin that year. He also lobbied for Sean Taylor hard. You can blame him for his failures in personnel, but don't forget he's made some great pickups as well.
Peirce was one of the most glarring errors in judgement.....you just don't let your MLB go unless you have someone BETTER to replace him. This is the quarterback of your defense.
Agreed here. Pierce was a real important part of our defense.
Frankly....as much as I think of Portis....I believe that Denver got the better end of the deal with Bailey. (Not Williams fault on this one) There are several RB's out there equal to or better than Clinton, but there is not one corner in the league who can hold a candle to Champ. That was the first in a long line of poor personnel decisions that Gibbs must ultimately be held accountable.
Remember though, it wasn't just Clinton for Champ and a 2. It was Clinton and a new contract for Champ and a new contract and a 2. Champ's contract is so ridiculous that we were able to sign Griffin and Springs with the money that he demanded. A flat 9 million per year.
All season long, Rodgers has been lined up 10 yards or more off the line....
From the post-game interviews I had seen, it was intimated that lining that far off the WR was due to Rogers, not to Williams.
And it's spelled immaculate. I thought you were writing the Emasculated Conception. And it's kind of wierd to draw a parallel between God impregnating Mary with Jesus to a defensive scheme, but maybe that's just me...
The best thing that came out of this article was that Snyder apparantly is fueling up RedskinsOne to court Nate Clements (fastest man in football) and Dwight Freeney (best pass rushing end in football)
