Brunell

[tcwest10]

I think we ought to not go around saying things like "true Redskin fans" and stuff like that.
People handle things differently. It doesn't mean they love the team any less then the next fan.
Anyway, another statement game against a team we were supposed to do well against. Brunell showed us, yet again, that he is still capable of managing a game and getting the ball spread out. I think everybody except Gibbs had a catch today. What's important is that Mark builds on this and gets hot...because now would be a great time for that.
Tell you one thing... the O-Line will be tested against JAX.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

Brunell had an awesome game, bc he had ALL day everytime he went to pass. If its like that every game, he would always play well.

[crazyhorse1]

NOt to put u down Mark B, but Boo-nell still sucks, it does not change the fact he is a scared noodle arm.

We beat one of the worst teams and our D looked weak againat the run and especially the pass. We still suck.

Hope we get it together before mid season.

Not to put down Mark B?



I'll take 24/27 for 260 yards on a noodle arm any time. Sure it was against the Texans... and we dominated the Texans like you want to see a team dominate them. The texans couldn't get the Redskins offense off the field all day long... were it not for Rock's fumble, and kneeling down to end the game... the offense could have put up a lot more points. They didn't... true enough.... but even against the texans... they came a long way today. Five hundred yards against any NFL defense is a good day.

Definitely nothing to get over excited about, but definitely worthy of allowing yourself to not hate for at least a day.

The truth in a nutshell. Great post!

[thaiphoon]

I think we ought to not go around saying things like "true Redskin fans" and stuff like that.
People handle things differently. It doesn't mean they love the team any less then the next fan.

Thank you TC !! Nice to see someone didn't forget that Redkins fans, as the population as a whole, are a diverse lot.

[HEROHAMO]

I know that TRUE Redskin Fans are smiling this evening. We did just what we should have done, beat a hapless team in their own park. NOW all of you who were clamoring for Jason Campbell, SHUT UP. let Coach Gibbs do what he does best, that is, what is best for our team. One week at a time.

Dude wake up !! It was the stinking Texans!! Once again it was the Texans!! If Brunell can keep this up then hell be back on good terms. THis game helped a little but im still waiting to be impressed. Pull off Four in a row then Id say he is forgiven in my book.

[tcwest10]

That's some book, I'll bet.
The fact of the matter is, win or lose...you're stuck with him until a change is made. Might as well root for him...he's on your team.

[crazyhorse1]

I know that TRUE Redskin Fans are smiling this evening. We did just what we should have done, beat a hapless team in their own park. NOW all of you who were clamoring for Jason Campbell, SHUT UP. let Coach Gibbs do what he does best, that is, what is best for our team. One week at a time.

Dude wake up !! It was the stinking Texans!! Once again it was the Texans!! If Brunell can keep this up then hell be back on good terms. THis game helped a little but im still waiting to be impressed. Pull off Four in a row then Id say he is forgiven in my book.

It's a great accomplishment to complete 22 passes in a row in the NFL regardless of the lack of rush, length of passes, or openness of receivers.
Further, I' m delighted for Brunell that he has racked up an NFL record. I hope we're sync now and the win was relecflective of that-- not just of the incompetence of Houston.

I'd like to think that Houston is not that much worse than the Vikes. I don't think that, but I'd like to.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

...im still waiting to be impressed. Pull off Four in a row then Id say he is forgiven in my book.

Hasn't he already pulled off 5 in a row before??? Why set the bar so low at 4 in a row, then?

I'm expecting 14 in a row. THEN I will be impressed.

[cleg]

I could care less that Brunell completed 22 passes in a row and had a "good" game. That was all Portis and Betts - so why not play the kid? Brunell is just throwing two yard screens - I am sure Cambell could do that and maybe, just maybe throw a ball more than 8 yards in the air.

[Irn-Bru]

I could care less that Brunell completed 22 passes in a row and had a "good" game. That was all Portis and Betts - so why not play the kid? Brunell is just throwing two yard screens - I am sure Cambell could do that and maybe, just maybe throw a ball more than 8 yards in the air.

Well, what do you know--so did Brunell!

[cleg]

I could care less that Brunell completed 22 passes in a row and had a "good" game. That was all Portis and Betts - so why not play the kid? Brunell is just throwing two yard screens - I am sure Cambell could do that and maybe, just maybe throw a ball more than 8 yards in the air.

Well, what do you know--so did Brunell!

You are still a Brunell fan? My goodness - he will be our downfall this year without a doubt. Do you see Seattle or Philly trying to make a SB run with a spare tire? Dallas is and we all laugh at them, how are we any different?

[Deadskins]

I could care less that Brunell completed 22 passes in a row and had a "good" game. That was all Portis and Betts - so why not play the kid? Brunell is just throwing two yard screens - I am sure Cambell could do that and maybe, just maybe throw a ball more than 8 yards in the air.

Well, what do you know--so did Brunell!

You are still a Brunell fan? My goodness - he will be our downfall this year without a doubt. Do you see Seattle or Philly trying to make a SB run with a spare tire? Dallas is and we all laugh at them, how are we any different?

I'm not sure you belong here, if you can't see the difference between the 'Skins and the 'Pies.

[joebagadonuts]

If we continue to throw 5 yard screens and such, yes, other teams will figure it out. But consider this for a moment, and then tell me if I'm completely nuts.

In the first two games, we couldn't get the running game going enough to get defenses to break their cover 2 umbrella coverages. So what does Al Saunders do? He has Brunell throw short, quick passes outside of the box. He couldn’t make his offense work one way, so he creatively found another way to make it work.

Short term, the Texans were unprepared for this, and couldn't stop it. Long term, it sets up the offense to expand. Teams will bring their corners up to stop the short stuff in the flat. They may take a defender or two from the box and move them outside. This does three things. It sets up the draw to Portis. With fewer defenders in the middle of the field, it also sets up receivers running deeper routes across the middle. Third, with the corners up, and the safeties thinking about the possibility of a screen or draw, it sets up man coverage on the perimeter, and an opening for deep sideline routes. It seems to me that Brunell is wary of throwing the deep ball unles she's certain that it's one on one (unless the game is out of hand already). If he knows that it's Moss on the corner with no safety help, he may be more willing to let it fly.

All of these (except the draw), of course, depend on Brunell’s willingness and ability to throw deeper over the middle, or throw into single coverage down the sideline. If he can’t or won’t do that, we’re screwed. Teams will stay close to the line of scrimmage and wait for the screens all day.

My guess is that the Jags game will start with the offense doing more of what you saw in Houston. Once the Jacksonville defense starts to crowd the line, you’ll see Saunders call for deeper patterns, and more routes across the middle.

In my opinion, Saunders’ willingness to depart from the game plan and adjust to the defenses and Brunell’s strengths and weaknesses makes him very smart (I was going to say genius, but that may be jumping the gun). If the long term plan is as I think it is, that makes him even smarter. I just hope it works.

[forskins]

You are still a Brunell fan? My goodness - he will be our downfall this year without a doubt. Do you see Seattle or Philly trying to make a SB run with a spare tire? Dallas is and we all laugh at them, how are we any different?

My, My, how memory is so short around here.

Less we forget how Bledsoe torched the skins for 237 and two scores, which it could have been allot worse if it wasn't for the multiple drops by Owens due to his broken hand.

The Skins have a right to feel proud about the victory against the Texans. You have as much to brag as an out-of-shape heavyweight boxer beating the snot out of 12 year old little girl.

[BossHog]

The Skins have a right to feel proud about the victory against the Texans. You have as much to brag as an out-of-shape heavyweight boxer beating the snot out of 12 year old little girl.

... yeah I heard the league is looking into only awarding us half a win because it was only the Texans.

Until then, it'll count just like any other W.



Nobody needs to brag about anything. It's in the win column and we're on to the next game against the Jags. I'm sure you'll have some analogy about how it's like a heavyweight beating up a middleweight or something if we win, but hey... we just appreciate that you acknowledge that we're the heavyweights.

[The Hogster]

You are still a Brunell fan? My goodness - he will be our downfall this year without a doubt. Do you see Seattle or Philly trying to make a SB run with a spare tire? Dallas is and we all laugh at them, how are we any different?

My, My, how memory is so short around here.

Less we forget how Bledsoe torched the skins for 237 and two scores, which it could have been allot worse if it wasn't for the multiple drops by Owens due to his broken hand.

The Skins have a right to feel proud about the victory against the Texans. You have as much to brag as an out-of-shape heavyweight boxer beating the snot out of 12 year old little girl.

How short is your memory? Didn't we beat you pukes on "Ring of Shame Day" for your ex crack addicts? Didn't we shallack you the second time? Didn't our victory versus Philly last year ELIMINATE your Cow-girls from the playoffs?

Didn't you just beat us without Clinton Portis. Yeah our memory is short....go find one of Tuna's man boobs...pukie.

[Deadskins]

it could have been allot worse if it wasn't for the multiple drops by Owens due to his broken hand.

Ah, so it was the broken hand that caused the multiple drops, not the footsteps of the hand-breaker; that notorious TO stuffer, Sean Taylor.

Glad to know that Bledsoe can still have a mediocre game, occasionally completing passes, even when under no pressure, and against a defense missing it's #1 CB.

[forskins]

Nobody needs to brag about anything. It's in the win column and we're on to the next game against the Jags. I'm sure you'll have some analogy about how it's like a heavyweight beating up a middleweight or something if we win, but hey... we just appreciate that you acknowledge that we're the heavyweights.

You must have missed the part where I said out-of-shape Heavyweights. That means you are the equivalent to Butter Bean and the current boxer that used to be known as Mike Tyson.

Actually for the most part Skins fans have been pretty receptive on the fact that this win wasn't a true test of a team. Now if you beat Jax, then you have something to show for it.

Now, the team I really can't stand is the iggles. Most of the fans that I know seem to think that because they spanked the niners and Texans, they have a clear road to the Superbowl.

[forskins]

How short is your memory? Didn't we beat you pukes on "Ring of Shame Day" for your ex crack addicts? Didn't we shallack you the second time? Didn't our victory versus Philly last year ELIMINATE your Cow-girls from the playoffs?

Didn't you just beat us without Clinton Portis. Yeah our memory is short....go find one of Tuna's man boobs...pukie.

How about living in this season? Living in the past is what teams like Green Bay and Cleveland do.

[BossHog]

Look, I tried to give you a little latitude and let you post on topic, but if you're going to just keep hi-jacking the thread into some sort of Dallas vs Washington thing... that just ain't going to work around here.

You can talk about it all you like here at the board, but let's not have it be in a thread that's about Mark Brunell. If you want to wax poetic about something other than Brunell... let's start a new thread somewhere... you can impress everyone with your knowledge of boxers and stuff... and the people that come to this thread looking to read about Mark Brunell can read about Mark Brunell.



You may want to check the rules too... specifically the part about flaming.

6. Flaming... will not be tolerated and is defined as follows: Any post in a thread that addresses a poster directly, does not have anything to do with the original post or whose sole purpose is to illicit a negative response from other members of the site.

Thanks.

[cleg]

All I am saying is that while the win versus the Texans was good it is no reason to think that Brunell can lead this team agaisnt a talented team. If he performs well against the Jags and we win great. But, if the offense is to throw screens and hand the ball off why not let Campbell do that and get our future started now.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

...while the win versus the Texans was good it is no reason to think that Brunell can lead this team agaisnt a talented team...

No reason, really??

Wasn't the same said about Brunell following the miracle finish versus Dallas last year?

Didn't y'all say the same things during the slump last year?

And yet, he DID lead the Skins "agaisnt" talented teams.

So, I would say that, yeah, there MIGHT be just a liiiiiiitle reason to believe he can do it.

You might hate the guy and all, but, at least give him the benefit of the doubt he has CLEARLY earned.

[The Hogster]

How short is your memory? Didn't we beat you pukes on "Ring of Shame Day" for your ex crack addicts? Didn't we shallack you the second time? Didn't our victory versus Philly last year ELIMINATE your Cow-girls from the playoffs?

Didn't you just beat us without Clinton Portis. Yeah our memory is short....go find one of Tuna's man boobs...pukie.

How about living in this season? Living in the past is what teams like Green Bay and Cleveland do.

Hey ...your post said we have a short "MEMORY" memory as in remembering things from the PAST... So you sound a bit hypocritical to ask how short our memory is, but then restrict how far back we can Remember.

I know you like the Cowpukes, but that's no excuse for basic retardedness.

[SkinsJock]

You do not refer to a Redskin player as a "turd"

if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd, brother, it's a turd.
anyone who interferes with the redskins chances of victory is a turd. it doesn't matter if that's a dallas cowboy, a bad coach (spurrier), or mark brunell. the team is a million times more important than the player.

Well in the last few decades, Joe has been a resounding winner, but this does not mean he's never made mistakes. But this one is definitely a toughie here.

I very much doubt that Gibbs is so blind that he doesn't know that Brunell is the weakest link on this team. It doesn't matter if some fans don't acknowledge this truth, but for rest of the world, the truth is smacking us right in the face that we cannot help but argue otherwise.

You saw here first, I believe that Brunell has the physical capability to lead this team to be dominant. In the past two years, injuries have hampered this ability, causing mistakes which basically has messed with his head.

He knows even more than we do that he has been the weak link on this team for 3 years. He has to diffuse the blame for it, because acknowledging it and continuing to start, implies that he's going to fix it. I don't think he believes that he can. You can see it in his face. The look after every loss that he has let everyone down.

There's a reason when the game no longer matters, or someone else is carrying the load (CP) that he plays so well. The team, the coaches and the fans aren't relying on him. When his teammates do need him to pick them up, you get lame-duck Brunell who can't read a safety to save his life.

Which brings us to Gibbs. I think Gibbs thinks that he can put humpty-dumpty back together again. He thinks if he can establish a running attack and no-mistake O-line play, he can get the pressure off of Brunell's back. Once he gets some wins under his belt, his confidence will be back to a point where the team can turn to him.

But I think Gibbs mistake is that you can't hide your weakest link in this league anymore. Teams are going to shutdown the running game, and going to take many risks to get in Brunell's head. Also, our running game can go into a slump. Our defense can get some more injuries. Our strengths could falter more than previous years, and we'll have to turn to Brunell more and more.

All these unknowns are why the teams with the reliable QBs have been the most successful. A QB can make up for slumps, injuries, bad luck and mistakes. So really Gibbs is gambling on the rest of the team to prop Brunell up. And he might fear putting a green JC in might infect him with a cause of Brunell-itis.

i think many of our hogsnet brethren have made some very cogent points about brunell's fallibility- this thread has catalogued them expertly, so i heap praise upon all of you. after the game i was enraged, then watched the tape and settled down a bit, but after pondering what i saw a bit, i'm now back to the strong conclusion that brunell is essentially a bum and is wasting our time.
as dlc so insightfully described, the problem does seem to be primarily mental, as he DOES on occasion make a very strong throw right into a tight spot. i don't think it's worth it at this point to spend a season trying to rehab an old vet's pscyhe. better to concentrate that effort on the young kid and get him ready for the next 10-15 years.

Some insightful posting here!

I think that there are a few people eating a very special dish and we are here to remind you. ENJOY

Thankfully we have Gibbs making very sound decisions on who plays and starts on this team and not a lot of very well meaning but not very knowlegeable fans.

[JPFair]

You do not refer to a Redskin player as a "turd"

if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd, brother, it's a turd.
anyone who interferes with the redskins chances of victory is a turd. it doesn't matter if that's a dallas cowboy, a bad coach (spurrier), or mark brunell. the team is a million times more important than the player.

Well in the last few decades, Joe has been a resounding winner, but this does not mean he's never made mistakes. But this one is definitely a toughie here.

I very much doubt that Gibbs is so blind that he doesn't know that Brunell is the weakest link on this team. It doesn't matter if some fans don't acknowledge this truth, but for rest of the world, the truth is smacking us right in the face that we cannot help but argue otherwise.

You saw here first, I believe that Brunell has the physical capability to lead this team to be dominant. In the past two years, injuries have hampered this ability, causing mistakes which basically has messed with his head.

He knows even more than we do that he has been the weak link on this team for 3 years. He has to diffuse the blame for it, because acknowledging it and continuing to start, implies that he's going to fix it. I don't think he believes that he can. You can see it in his face. The look after every loss that he has let everyone down.

There's a reason when the game no longer matters, or someone else is carrying the load (CP) that he plays so well. The team, the coaches and the fans aren't relying on him. When his teammates do need him to pick them up, you get lame-duck Brunell who can't read a safety to save his life.

Which brings us to Gibbs. I think Gibbs thinks that he can put humpty-dumpty back together again. He thinks if he can establish a running attack and no-mistake O-line play, he can get the pressure off of Brunell's back. Once he gets some wins under his belt, his confidence will be back to a point where the team can turn to him.

But I think Gibbs mistake is that you can't hide your weakest link in this league anymore. Teams are going to shutdown the running game, and going to take many risks to get in Brunell's head. Also, our running game can go into a slump. Our defense can get some more injuries. Our strengths could falter more than previous years, and we'll have to turn to Brunell more and more.

All these unknowns are why the teams with the reliable QBs have been the most successful. A QB can make up for slumps, injuries, bad luck and mistakes. So really Gibbs is gambling on the rest of the team to prop Brunell up. And he might fear putting a green JC in might infect him with a cause of Brunell-itis.

i think many of our hogsnet brethren have made some very cogent points about brunell's fallibility- this thread has catalogued them expertly, so i heap praise upon all of you. after the game i was enraged, then watched the tape and settled down a bit, but after pondering what i saw a bit, i'm now back to the strong conclusion that brunell is essentially a bum and is wasting our time.
as dlc so insightfully described, the problem does seem to be primarily mental, as he DOES on occasion make a very strong throw right into a tight spot. i don't think it's worth it at this point to spend a season trying to rehab an old vet's pscyhe. better to concentrate that effort on the young kid and get him ready for the next 10-15 years.

Some insightful posting here!

I think that there are a few people eating a very special dish and we are here to remind you. ENJOY

Thankfully we have Gibbs making very sound decisions on who plays and starts on this team and not a lot of very well meaning but not very knowlegeable fans.

Well said, SkinsJock!!! You're right, these fans mean well, but it also gives us an opportunity to be thankfull that Gibbs and Co. are the ones making the decisions, and let the fans, even the ones that say things like what is written above, be the fans. What I find funny is that some of those fans will come in this week and make it seem like they never said anything to remotely make it sound like they thought Brunell is a "weak link". But, at least there intentions are good anyway.