Whose to blame?

[redskinz4ever]

brunell the stats they put on the screen last night told the story of why this offense is clickin' yet the ball has to be thrown inbetween the numbers & down the field....... and the lack of the running game sure doesn't make things and better. it is time for CAMPBELL to start and even if we don't turn things around this will serve as a year of service under his belt.

also our secondary pretty much sucks without SPRINGS.
also note WHERE IN THE HELL IS THE PASS RUSH .... BLITZ ...... AND THAT BUM WE GOT FROM THE 49ERS ( both of em for that matter) !!!! how many tackles does he even have on the year ??? anybody ??

also would add that us as fans thinking that this offense would look anything like the chiefs offense was and is a dream for now until we get a QB in there who can throw the ball more than 15 yards and PORTIS healthy.

[Mursilis]

The fans are to blame.

Uh, yeah, that's it. The fans just need to score more points . . .

[Mursilis]

Everyone points out that fans don't know a thing (which is a lot of times true).

But with Brunell, the whole world knows the truth. Brian Mitchell, Steve Young, Ken Harvey, and pretty much any former player out there. No current players or coaches are going to criticize someone in public.

You can add John Madden (and he's in the Hall of Fame!) to that list of people who think Brunell needs to be benched. It's not just a bunch of dumb internet users calling for Campbell; it's some educated observers who actually saw Brunell play (or fail to play).

[Redskin Don]

Redskin Don wrote:
I can't think of a single super bowl champion that didn't have strong, consistent QB play. We seldom had that last year.


The Baltimore Ravens

That means one team out of 40 had a team without consistent, strong QB play. That doesn't exactly help make the case for keeping Brunell behind center.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Everyone points out that fans don't know a thing (which is a lot of times true).

But with Brunell, the whole world knows the truth. Brian Mitchell, Steve Young, Ken Harvey, and pretty much any former player out there. No current players or coaches are going to criticize someone in public.

You can add John Madden (and he's in the Hall of Fame!) to that list of people who think Brunell needs to be benched. It's not just a bunch of dumb internet users calling for Campbell; it's some educated observers who actually saw Brunell play (or fail to play).

Madden isnt the most sound of mind.

[EA7649]

OLINE SUCKS!!!

[Mursilis]

Everyone points out that fans don't know a thing (which is a lot of times true).

But with Brunell, the whole world knows the truth. Brian Mitchell, Steve Young, Ken Harvey, and pretty much any former player out there. No current players or coaches are going to criticize someone in public.

You can add John Madden (and he's in the Hall of Fame!) to that list of people who think Brunell needs to be benched. It's not just a bunch of dumb internet users calling for Campbell; it's some educated observers who actually saw Brunell play (or fail to play).

Madden isnt the most sound of mind.

True, but then, you agree with him regarding Brunell, so . . .

[UK Skins Fan]

Personally, I blame the Cowboys. They had the audacity to be on the field at the same time as the Redskins, and played better than the Redskins did.

Looking for one person or unit to blame is pointless. There's plenty of things wrong, and no single act is going to be the silver bullet.

You can be sure that Joe Gibbs blames himself though.

[Irn-Bru]

You can be sure that Joe Gibbs blames himself though.

And from what I've been reading on the board in the last day or so, people are starting to take offense even at that

[VRIEL1]

The Cowboys were 0-2 in 1993 before they resigned Emmitt. So it can happen. Remember your team was down and out in the middle of the season and then went on a streak to be quite proud.

ALRIGHT...That's it. I've changed my mind. Err rather "Cowboys06" changed it for me. Let put in Jason. If a Dallas fan is going to show up on our boards to sympithize with us that's one thing but to come on our board and comfort us.......there is some high tech underground classified mind blowing high jinks going on. So lets analyze this a min. If he comforts us and we all agree to keep Brunell ....well ....they must think they can beat us with Brunell but not Jason. So in essance.....they get two wins this year....however if we switch QB's on them they aren't sure if they can beat us because.....they have not played against Jason.
That's it ....PUT JASON IN. lol.

[markg]

The Cowboys were 0-2 in 1993 before they resigned Emmitt. So it can happen. Remember your team was down and out in the middle of the season and then went on a streak to be quite proud.

A Cowboys fan, injecting hope for the Skins??

He was drunk, obviously. No true 'Boys fan can ever give hope to a 'Skins fan. May the 'Skins lose every game-- and trade the #1 selection away for another Super Bowl flop!

[hailskins666]

The Cowboys were 0-2 in 1993 before they resigned Emmitt. So it can happen. Remember your team was down and out in the middle of the season and then went on a streak to be quite proud.

A Cowboys fan, injecting hope for the Skins??

He was drunk, obviously. No true 'Boys fan can ever give hope to a 'Skins fan. May the 'Skins lose every game-- and trade the #1 selection away for another Super Bowl flop!

and may all boys fans enjoy the sex with sister mom tonight.

[VRIEL1]

The good news is I hear that all the Pitt. fans are screaming to have their QB replaced and fire their coach for a big GOOSE EGG they had against the Jax and I figure we will have hired both before the end of the season....because you know ....one can never have enough coaches or QB's.lol.
I feel like V-Dot.lol. everyone is standing outside of the hole ...all of us ...looking in at Brunell and we are not offering a better way to did the hole, we are just talking about fireing him and getting another digger. not that Brunell would listen to us anyway.lol. or V-Dot for that matter.lol.

[Champsturf]

You can be sure that Joe Gibbs blames himself though.

And from what I've been reading on the board in the last day or so, people are starting to take offense even at that

Frankly, I could care a less if Gibbs blames himself. He hasn't done something to correct it in 3 years, why start now? Gibbs is just too hung up on Brunell for reasons unknown.

[dlc]

The Cowboys were 0-2 in 1993 before they resigned Emmitt. So it can happen. Remember your team was down and out in the middle of the season and then went on a streak to be quite proud.

A Cowboys fan, injecting hope for the Skins??

He was drunk, obviously. No true 'Boys fan can ever give hope to a 'Skins fan. May the 'Skins lose every game-- and trade the #1 selection away for another Super Bowl flop!

Actually seeing a team crash and burn is a lot more fun than a team with no hope, because no hope fans are prepared for failure.

But in this case, I think the whole entire league is looking at our team with pity. They all know that we have all the talent at the coaching staff and all the talent at every position...except for at QB. Let's not delude ourselves, the league including most sensible Skins fans knew this summer that the success of the year depended on Brunell's performance, no one else. In the rare times in the salary cap area do you gather enough talent to take a shot for a couple years at the Superbowl, most teams make sure they have the QB in place first in foremost, instead of last.

This is a QB-centric league. Peyton knows it, Brady knows it, Roethlisberger knows it. Every coach in the league knows it. It is true, sometimes QBs aren't ALL to blame, but they are ALWAYS to blame when an offense consistently disappoints. In a span of three years if your offense struggles to score 20 points more than once or twice in an entire season, how come the common factor, Brunell, is often passed to the O-line, the running game, the play calling, the second wide-out. All these things have changed and gotten better, yet the offense still remains the same.

Roethlisberger said it best in his interview after tonight's MNF game. He didn't use US or WE like Brunell often does. Roethlisberger responded to the question that offered the out that Jags defense was so great, they made things difficult especially with his injuries and rust. He responded by saying that "it's a quarterback's job to make plays when his team needs them. It's a quarterback's job to make the passes under pressure. " According to him, Brunell simply doesn't do his job. I never heard Ben once imply his teammates had any responsibility for the lack of offense, it was his. Nor did he imply that the defense played any role to stop him from doing his job.

So why does Brunell use WE and US more and more? Because he knows that if he starts blaming himself solely, people might start agreeing, and they would be right.

[roybus14]

The Cowboys were 0-2 in 1993 before they resigned Emmitt. So it can happen. Remember your team was down and out in the middle of the season and then went on a streak to be quite proud.

A Cowboys fan, injecting hope for the Skins??

He was drunk, obviously. No true 'Boys fan can ever give hope to a 'Skins fan. May the 'Skins lose every game-- and trade the #1 selection away for another Super Bowl flop!

Actually seeing a team crash and burn is a lot more fun than a team with no hope, because no hope fans are prepared for failure.

But in this case, I think the whole entire league is looking at our team with pity. They all know that we have all the talent at the coaching staff and all the talent at every position...except for at QB. Let's not delude ourselves, the league including most sensible Skins fans knew this summer that the success of the year depended on Brunell's performance, no one else. In the rare times in the salary cap area do you gather enough talent to take a shot for a couple years at the Superbowl, most teams make sure they have the QB in place first in foremost, instead of last.

This is a QB-centric league. Peyton knows it, Brady knows it, Roethlisberger knows it. Every coach in the league knows it. It is true, sometimes QBs aren't ALL to blame, but they are ALWAYS to blame when an offense consistently disappoints. In a span of three years if your offense struggles to score 20 points more than once or twice in an entire season, how come the common factor, Brunell, is often passed to the O-line, the running game, the play calling, the second wide-out. All these things have changed and gotten better, yet the offense still remains the same.

Roethlisberger said it best in his interview after tonight's MNF game. He didn't use US or WE like Brunell often does. Roethlisberger responded to the question that offered the out that Jags defense was so great, they made things difficult especially with his injuries and rust. He responded by saying that "it's a quarterback's job to make plays when his team needs them. It's a quarterback's job to make the passes under pressure. " According to him, Brunell simply doesn't do his job. I never heard Ben once imply his teammates had any responsibility for the lack of offense, it was his. Nor did he imply that the defense played any role to stop him from doing his job.

So why does Brunell use WE and US more and more? Because he knows that if he starts blaming himself solely, people might start agreeing, and they would be right.

You know, maybe that's the problem. This team has bought into not taking personal responsibility for anything. You got the HC standing up game after game talking about "we fought hard", "we're in this together", "it's our fault as coaches and we have to do a better job"....

Come on Joe, call it like it is:

Our offensive line needs to play alot better and I will work with Joe (bugel) and his staff to get them better; they need to provide our QBs with better protection and open up bigger holes for our backs to run through;


We need better play out our QB and I will work with our QBs and the QB coach on that; we will get our other QBs ready just in case we need a change;

We have to do a better job on offense to give our defense rest and a better chance until we get Springs back;

We have to not turn the ball over after the defense fought hard to get it for us;

We need to execute the plays that are called by Al upstairs to give ourselves better opportunities to score;

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Roethlisberger said it best in his interview after tonight's MNF game. He didn't use US or WE like Brunell often does. Roethlisberger...responded by saying that "it's a quarterback's job to make plays when his team needs them. It's a quarterback's job to make the passes under pressure. " According to him, Brunell simply doesn't do his job.

Keep in mind that Ben also enjoys riding performance bikes while not wearing a helmet.

Why did they ask him directly about the QB situation in DC after he played against the Jaguars???

I don't follow how, as you say:

According to [Big Ben], Brunell simply doesn't do his job.

I mean, what????

[dlc]

Roethlisberger said it best in his interview after tonight's MNF game. He didn't use US or WE like Brunell often does. Roethlisberger...responded by saying that "it's a quarterback's job to make plays when his team needs them. It's a quarterback's job to make the passes under pressure. " According to him, Brunell simply doesn't do his job.

Keep in mind that Ben also enjoys riding performance bikes while not wearing a helmet.

Why did they ask him directly about the QB situation in DC after he played against the Jaguars???

I don't follow how, as you say:

According to [Big Ben], Brunell simply doesn't do his job.

I mean, what????

They didn't ask him directly. He stated that it's the Quarterback's job to make plays when his teams needs it. It's the Quarterback's that makes the throws under pressure.

Under the premise, you can't say that Brunell, as a Redskin, has ever met those standards of a QB, nor does he want to inherit them. It's WE and US that need to do better. When our team is down, and it isn't playing well, believe me, none of us, even the die-hard Brunell supporters, realistically thinks that he's going to bail the team out (although you may pray and hope). We look to Portis, we look to our defense. Not one time have I ever thought to myself, "OK, we're down, but Brunell will rally us back." Even Redskins' fans would chuckle at that statement.

[Irn-Bru]

You know, maybe that's the problem. This team has bought into not taking personal responsibility for anything.

This is not true. . .unless you're doing reporting from inside the locker room, in which case I humbly withdraw my claim.

You got the HC standing up game after game talking about "we fought hard", "we're in this together", "it's our fault as coaches and we have to do a better job"....

Come on Joe, call it like it is:

Our offensive line needs to play alot better and I will work with Joe (bugel) and his staff to get them better; they need to provide our QBs with better protection and open up bigger holes for our backs to run through;

. . .and it goes on. Yes, Gibbs could do this, and hang out the Redskins laundry for the media, but how does this get the Skins closer to winning? In fact, he avoids getting specific with the media because he's the kind of coach that will give 100% support and backing to his players come press-conference time and will give his players an earful all week to make sure they are prepared.

Regardless of what your personal opinions are on Brunell, I've never understood how Gibbs' support of Brunell in press conferences is somehow bad for the team.

[SkinsJock]

. . .Yes, Gibbs could do this, and hang out the Redskins laundry for the media, but how does this get the Skins closer to winning? In fact, he avoids getting specific with the media because he's the kind of coach that will give 100% support and backing to his players come press-conference time and will give his players an earful all week to make sure they are prepared.

Regardless of what your personal opinions are on Brunell, I've never understood how Gibbs' support of Brunell in press conferences is somehow bad for the team.

Well put FFA.
I know that a lot of us are very disapointed in what we have seen so far and especailly as most of us were expecting a lot more effective production from our "new" offensive play calling and the new player additions.
There have always been doubters (here at THN) and they will continue their "I told you so.." diatribes, but we will be better as Gibbs will adapt to the current situation and we will have a competitive team again.

I also have wondered why so many here also place so much stock in what is "reported" when so many times The staff at THN have indicated that most of this "stuff" that comes from these "know-it-alls" is just twisted and adjusted to make for a better story. I heard a reporter on TV the other day say that he had no moral obligation to be factual! He stated that he did have an obligation to his employer to "report" his opinions and that if his "opinion" of what was stated was different than what was intended (by who he was quoting) he should still do this as that was what he was being paid to do. These reports are for the most part complete BS - unless it is from the staff at THN :wink:

[dlc]

You know, maybe that's the problem. This team has bought into not taking personal responsibility for anything.

This is not true. . .unless you're doing reporting from inside the locker room, in which case I humbly withdraw my claim.

You got the HC standing up game after game talking about "we fought hard", "we're in this together", "it's our fault as coaches and we have to do a better job"....

Come on Joe, call it like it is:

Our offensive line needs to play alot better and I will work with Joe (bugel) and his staff to get them better; they need to provide our QBs with better protection and open up bigger holes for our backs to run through;

. . .and it goes on. Yes, Gibbs could do this, and hang out the Redskins laundry for the media, but how does this get the Skins closer to winning? In fact, he avoids getting specific with the media because he's the kind of coach that will give 100% support and backing to his players come press-conference time and will give his players an earful all week to make sure they are prepared.

Regardless of what your personal opinions are on Brunell, I've never understood how Gibbs' support of Brunell in press conferences is somehow bad for the team.

I agree with you Gibbs shouldn't be airing dirty laundry with the press.

What I have a problem is with Brunell? Unlike Gibbs, he's on the field and is directly accountable for obvious mistakes, like throwing third down balls into the ground of an open receiver. He should start with himself alone, before bringing the rest of the team into the blame. Using terms "We" need to work on that. "We" are going to get better. Perhaps everyone makes mistakes, but how is the rest of the team going to bring that ball up two feet so it can be caught for a first down?

Once Brunell uses "I" screwed up. "I" need to make the passes. "I" need to make some plays when we're in trouble, maybe "we" will do better.

Although cliched, it would be nice to have a QB that thinks, let's not ask what the team can do for me, but what can I do for my team. Dammit Brunell, make a play, cause your team needs you. Not just when things are easy, but when things are hard.

I'm sorry, I lost hope that he'll answer that call, cause he obviously doesn't see the offense, let alone the team, as his responsibility. He'd rather diffuse it.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Although cliched, it would be nice to have a QB that thinks, let's not ask what the team can do for me, but what can I do for my team. Dammit Brunell, make a play, cause your team needs you. Not just when things are easy, but when things are hard. .

Democrat or Republican?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

...Once Brunell uses "I" screwed up. "I" need to make the passes. "I" need to make some plays when we're in trouble, maybe "we" will do better...

....he obviously doesn't see the offense, let alone the team, as his responsibility. He'd rather diffuse it.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????!!!!!!!


Un-frickin'-believable.

Around this same time a year ago, Mark woulda been killed and taken to task if he had said something to the likes of "I made a great pass to Santana twice down themiddle of the field to win the game blah bla blah blah blah"!!!! He knew then that the TEAM goes before the player, and you win with the TEAM and you lose with the TEAM.

And NOW people want him to assume all the blame for the team's woes????

Face it, people....

THE TEAM PLAYED MIRACULOUSLY LAST YEAR AGAINST THE PUKES, AND THE TEAM PLAYED HORRIBLY VERSUS THOSE GUYS ON SUNDAY NIGHT. END OF STORY.

THE TEAM will make the adjustments necessary to win. If that means benching Brunell, you can be certain that it was a decision made in the best interest of the team, and not as a response to silly rants on message boards or talk radio calls phoned in from behind the steering wheel while stuck on the beltway.

I'm starting to wonder whether a lot of the whining is due to the fact that some FF players have had bad starts to their season, since they went all homer with their draft picks and all.

[redskingush]

The OL is terrible lately if JC gives us anything he might give us escapability, i know he a pocket passer, but he is athletic.

[dlc]

Although cliched, it would be nice to have a QB that thinks, let's not ask what the team can do for me, but what can I do for my team. Dammit Brunell, make a play, cause your team needs you. Not just when things are easy, but when things are hard. .

Democrat or Republican?

LOL. Neither. If the R or the D mean more to me than the guy's (or gal's) name, I just skip it. My opinions of each individual politician are definitely much more distinct.

But I think Democrats and Republicans would agree that, Brunell stinks and doesn't deserve his job. Alternatives? For three years, we've asked for alternatives and the team (and Gibbs) made the wrong choice. It's time to "cut and run" on our losses (does that make me a Democrat?) and
give someone else the ball.

I think lack of competition has caused ineffiency in our offense (or am I Republican?). Brunell thinks that his job is secure and has no sense of urgency to play better. He's a close-to-retirement veteran, not a rookie QB that needs pressure taken off his shoulders.

I love this town.