U.N. Resolutions - Do They Work?

[dnpmakkah]

Hahahaha. Israel is bombing Lebanon's capital and they are even warning the Lebannese not to strike their planes while doing so. WTF is the world coming too.

[yupchagee]

I hardly know where to start. The BBC is almost as hostile to Israel to Israel as the Arab press. The overwhelming majority of Arab casualities have been fighters, even if you exclude those throwing rocks & fore bombs. The demographics of Arab "civilian" casualities are that most are males between 15 & 50. Most Israeli civilian casualities have been women, children & the elderly.

Do you have a link to prove this...or are you just stating it based on your opinions?

It's not my opinion, it's fact. I guess when I have the time I'll dig out the numbers.

[yupchagee]

Hahahaha. Israel is bombing Lebanon's capital and they are even warning the Lebannese not to strike their planes while doing so. WTF is the world coming too.

Israel has been warning civilians to leave areas they will bomb, sacrificing tactical surprise to avoid harming the innocent.

[Countertrey]

Israel has been warning civilians to leave areas they will bomb, sacrificing tactical surprise to avoid harming the innocent.

Do you actually expect him to acknowledge the remarkable risks taken by the Israelis in doing this? The man has no clue.

[yupchagee]

Israel has been warning civilians to leave areas they will bomb, sacrificing tactical surprise to avoid harming the innocent.

Do you actually expect him to acknowledge the remarkable risks taken by the Israelis in doing this? The man has no clue.

You're asking if I expect honesty from a bigot? Of course not.

[1niksder]

Israel was minding it's own beeswax, within it's own borders when they were invaded

Right Israel can do no wrong. Israel always minds its beeswax and keeps within its own borders.

1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor
The Israelis have bombed a French-built nuclear plant near Iraq's capital, Baghdad, saying they believed it was designed to make nuclear weapons to destroy Israel. It is the world's first air strike against a nuclear plant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm

Next.

Digging up links is one think but get real you went back 25 years for something you could have waited a few months to find (As soon as Tehran get that new reactor up and running the Israelis are going to blow that one up too).

Iran as stated that they are thriving for the elimination of the Israeli State so what do you think they'll do with a nuke.

More to the point or should I say back to the present. Who was it that made the first attack in the current escalation? You can take your pick the one in Gaza or the one one in southern Lebanon, the answer won't be the Israelis. So again where are they wrong in this case? What did you expect them to do sneak into Gaza and grab a Palestinian and call it even, then do the same in Lebanon?

Hahahaha. Israel is bombing Lebanon's capital and they are even warning the Lebannese not to strike their planes while doing so. WTF is the world coming too.

The world has been here where have you been. This is a tactic used by most civilized nations not wanting to harm those that are caught up behind leaders that really don't care about their safety. Not only dose this warning give the inocent a chance to move to safety it also the bombers peice of mind that the bystanders had a warning.

yupchagee wrote:
Still waiting for actual facts. I'm sure I'll never get them from you.


All I have been doing is providing facts and links what else do you want me to do. Instead of me providing facts...why don't you provide facts that prove me wrong.

Maybe you would like to discuss the numbers below. I brought it up earlier but ironicaly nobody mentioned anything about it. You can research it if you like to find the "facts"

Quote:
PALESTINIANS KILLED BY ISRAELIS*
3,135 killed by security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 627 aged under 18, 181 killed in extrajudicial executions and 288 (including at least 29 aged under 1 killed in the course of these assassinations.
54 killed by security forces in Israel including one aged under 18
34 killed by Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza including three aged under 18

ISRAELIS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS

431 civilians killed in Israel including 78 aged under 18
218 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip including 34 aged under 18
218 Israeli security forces killed in West Bank and Gaza
83 Israeli security forces killed in Israel


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3694350.stm

Your so called facts are based on numbers tallied over 5 years. Were compiled prior to land being traded for peace that never came (but I don't see any of that in your linkage).

Where are the facts of what has happened over the last 4 days and who is the blame for it all.

We are talking current affairs here not recent history

[Deadskins]

You're asking if I expect honesty from a bigot? Of course not.

Mr. Pot have you met Mr. Kettle?

[yupchagee]

You're asking if I expect honesty from a bigot? Of course not.

Mr. Pot have you met Mr. Kettle?

I'm not the 1 on pot.

[Irn-Bru]

Goodness, I hate these political cat-fights. There have been several public warnings already. If it's simply impossible for dems and reps to get along (since merely being one qualifies as bigotry ), take it to smack.

[yupchagee]

Goodness, I hate these political cat-fights. There have been several public warnings already. If it's simply impossible for dems and reps to get along (since merely being one qualifies as bigotry ), take it to smack.

Talk to those who start these threads.

[1niksder]

Goodness, I hate these political cat-fights. There have been several public warnings already. If it's simply impossible for dems and reps to get along (since merely being one qualifies as bigotry ), take it to smack.

Talk to those who start these threads.

The subject of the thread shouldn't matter, It's your chose to follow the rules or not, and your chosing not to.

Saying who started what doesn't matter either, Ask the ISRAELIS.

These threads reslove nothing, and changes no ones opinion, Why go from a contributing board member to a rule breaker?

[dnpmakkah]

Hahahaha. Israel is bombing Lebanon's capital and they are even warning the Lebannese not to strike their planes while doing so. WTF is the world coming too.

Israel has been warning civilians to leave areas they will bomb, sacrificing tactical surprise to avoid harming the innocent.

Maybe some of you don't know how to read so I will try to explain the above quote. My post 'quoted' above has nothing to do with warning civilians.

I heard on FOX news today that Israel was bombing Lebanon's capital. And during the bombing of the capital they warned the Lebanesse military not to strike back at the Israeli jets. For those who don't comprehend...this means Israel is a bully...they do the bombing and order Lebanon not to defend itself or they else risk greater damage if they do.

I can't put it more clear than that. Hopefully it will sink through. Maybe I should have spoken S.L.O.W.L.Y the first time.

[yupchagee]

Hahahaha. Israel is bombing Lebanon's capital and they are even warning the Lebannese not to strike their planes while doing so. WTF is the world coming too.

Israel has been warning civilians to leave areas they will bomb, sacrificing tactical surprise to avoid harming the innocent.

Maybe some of you don't know how to read so I will try to explain the above quote. My post 'quoted' above has nothing to do with warning civilians.

I heard on FOX news today that Israel was bombing Lebanon's capital. And during the bombing of the capital they warned the Lebanesse military not to strike back at the Israeli jets. For those who don't comprehend...this means Israel is a bully...they do the bombing and order Lebanon not to defend itself or they else risk greater damage if they do.

I can't put it more clear than that. Hopefully it will sink through. Maybe I should have spoken S.L.O.W.L.Y the first time.

If the Lebonese shoot at Israeli planes, Israel will have to bomb Lebanon's anti aircraft sites. Their choice. Israel is simply telling the Lebanon govt that they are well advised to avoid a confrontation.
That doesn't change the fact that Israel HAS warned civilians to leave before bombing.

[dnpmakkah]

More to the point or should I say back to the present. Who was it that made the first attack in the current escalation? You can take your pick the one in Gaza or the one one in southern Lebanon, the answer won't be the Israelis. So again where are they wrong in this case? What did you expect them to do sneak into Gaza and grab a Palestinian and call it even, then do the same in Lebanon?

Oh so you only want to go back a few days to see where the blame gets started. If you asked Hamas and Hezbollah I'm sure they would say they did it because Israel continued to strike at Palestinian targets and continued their policy of assasinations that were as recent as a week prior to the kidnappings. But you probably choose to ignore that or maybe honestly you didn't know because most people here only know what the media outlets in America tell them and it probably wasn't even mentioned.

This is a tactic used by most civilized nations not wanting to harm those that are caught up behind leaders that really don't care about their safety. Not only dose this warning give the inocent a chance to move to safety it also the bombers peice of mind that the bystanders had a warning.

Wrong thats not what I was saying. Israel bombed the Lebanese capital and warned the Lebanese military not to defend itself or it risked greater damage. How nobel of them huh?

Where are the facts of what has happened over the last 4 days and who is the blame for it all.
We are talking current affairs here not recent history

Where have you been during this discussion? I already gave those numbers. Here I'll speak clearly.
Over the past week 100 Lebonesse/Palestinians are dead (civilians) and 12 or so Israelis are dead (civilians).
I hope that answers your question. So its 100-12...is that better? Maybe you meant more recent than that? I know I know..."but but but...who started it?"

[yupchagee]

More to the point or should I say back to the present. Who was it that made the first attack in the current escalation? You can take your pick the one in Gaza or the one one in southern Lebanon, the answer won't be the Israelis. So again where are they wrong in this case? What did you expect them to do sneak into Gaza and grab a Palestinian and call it even, then do the same in Lebanon?

Oh so you only want to go back a few days to see where the blame gets started. If you asked Hamas and Hezbollah I'm sure they would say they did it because Israel continued to strike at Palestinian targets and continued their policy of assasinations that were as recent as a week prior to the kidnappings. But you probably choose to ignore that or maybe honestly you didn't know because most people here only know what the media outlets in America tell them and it probably wasn't even mentioned.

This is a tactic used by most civilized nations not wanting to harm those that are caught up behind leaders that really don't care about their safety. Not only dose this warning give the inocent a chance to move to safety it also the bombers peice of mind that the bystanders had a warning.

Wrong thats not what I was saying. Israel bombed the Lebanese capital and warned the Lebanese military not to defend itself or it risked greater damage. How nobel of them huh?

Where are the facts of what has happened over the last 4 days and who is the blame for it all.

We are talking current affairs here not recent history

Where have you been during this discussion? I already gave those numbers. Here I'll speak clearly.

Over the past week 100 Lebonesse/Palestinians are dead (civilians) and 12 or so Israelis are dead (civilians).

I hope that answers your question. So its 100-12...is that better? Maybe you meant more recent than that? I know I know..."but but but...who started it?"

Hezbollah attacked Israel. Israel responded. If you hit me once, I promise I will counter & keep hitting you as long as you are vertical.

[dnpmakkah]

You're asking if I expect honesty from a bigot? Of course not.

Ha ha ha. First I was anti-Semetic and now I am also a bigot.

Goodness, I hate these political cat-fights. There have been several public warnings already. If it's simply impossible for dems and reps to get along (since merely being one qualifies as bigotry ), take it to smack.

I used to post these in Smack but lots of people said that wasn't the correct place to post political topics. So I started posting them here. It would be fine except for the few of us here who can't handle the truth handed to them then revert to name-calling making it seem like it should go into Smack.

[yupchagee]

You're asking if I expect honesty from a bigot? Of course not.

Ha ha ha. First I was anti-Semetic and now I am also a bigot.

Anit Semitism is a form of bigotry. That should be obvious to anyone in even a semi sapient state.

[dnpmakkah]

Anit Semitism is a form of bigotry. That should be obvious to anyone in even a semi sapient state.

So no matter what...if a person opposes an Israeli policy or procedure regardless if its right or wrong then you are automatically an Anti-Semite. I at least now know where you come from.

If you hit me once, I promise I will counter & keep hitting you as long as you are vertical.

I'm glad you feel that people have a right to defend themselves. If you feel this way then why so angry at the Arab world?

[1niksder]

More to the point or should I say back to the present. Who was it that made the first attack in the current escalation? You can take your pick the one in Gaza or the one one in southern Lebanon, the answer won't be the Israelis. So again where are they wrong in this case? What did you expect them to do sneak into Gaza and grab a Palestinian and call it even, then do the same in Lebanon?

Oh so you only want to go back a few days to see where the blame gets started. If you asked Hamas and Hezbollah I'm sure they would say they did it because Israel continued to strike at Palestinian targets and continued their policy of assasinations that were as recent as a week prior to the kidnappings. But you probably choose to ignore that or maybe honestly you didn't know because most people here only know what the media outlets in America tell them and it probably wasn't even mentioned.

Your original post was about UN sanctions for what has happened over the past week, not what had taken place the 6 years prior. You keep referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as if they were nations... they aren't (they hold seats in the governments in the locations they are based but they run no nation.

This is a tactic used by most civilized nations not wanting to harm those that are caught up behind leaders that really don't care about their safety. Not only dose this warning give the inocent a chance to move to safety it also the bombers peice of mind that the bystanders had a warning.

Wrong thats not what I was saying. Israel bombed the Lebanese capital and warned the Lebanese military not to defend itself or it risked greater damage. How nobel of them huh?

Well I'd call it noble to advise the country that they may want to continue to do nothing like when they were asked for years to man it's own boarder to get Hezbollah out of the area and did nothing. Again Israel's dispute is with Hezbollah not the Lebanese goverment. They've been on the sidelines this long they might as well stay there

Where are the facts of what has happened over the last 4 days and who is the blame for it all.
We are talking current affairs here not recent history

Where have you been during this discussion? I already gave those numbers. Here I'll speak clearly.
Over the past week 100 Lebonesse/Palestinians are dead (civilians) and 12 or so Israelis are dead (civilians).
I hope that answers your question. So its 100-12...is that better? Maybe you meant more recent than that? I know I know..."but but but...who started it?"

Again you point to the death toll after the start of the attacks and all those numbers are high when they should simply read 1 and 2

1 Israeli servicemember returned by Hamas and 2 returned by Hezbollah, it would be a lot more peacefull over there

[1niksder]

Anit Semitism is a form of bigotry. That should be obvious to anyone in even a semi sapient state.

So no matter what...if a person opposes an Israeli policy or procedure regardless if its right or wrong then you are automatically an Anti-Semite. I at least now know where you come from.

If you hit me once, I promise I will counter & keep hitting you as long as you are vertical.

I'm glad you feel that people have a right to defend themselves. If you feel this way then why so angry at the Arab world?

Why do you group all Arabs together?
When you do you mix in Syrians, Iranians, Jordanians, Saudis, Iraqis, Kuwaitis and you throw in the Palestinians. These people have different agendas and don't all agree with each other. What about people from other religions within those countries and the Muslim nations of Asia?

[yupchagee]

Anit Semitism is a form of bigotry. That should be obvious to anyone in even a semi sapient state.

So no matter what...if a person opposes an Israeli policy or procedure regardless if its right or wrong then you are automatically an Anti-Semite. I at least now know where you come from.

If you hit me once, I promise I will counter & keep hitting you as long as you are vertical.

I'm glad you feel that people have a right to defend themselves. If you feel this way then why so angry at the Arab world?

You complained that I called you 1st an anti semite & then a bigot. I just pointed out that anti semitism IS bigotry, therefore I was consistent.

I didn't say that oposition to any Israeli policy was anti semitism. Denying Israel's right to self defense or even her right to exist IS anti semitism.

Shooting rockets at Israeli towns is not self defense. Setting off bombs in ice cream parlors, Pizza parlors & bus stations isn't self defense. Bombing people who launch these attacks IS self defense.

[1niksder]

You complained that I called you 1st an anti semite & then a bigot. I just pointed out that anti semitism IS bigotry, therefore I was consistent.

Why would you call him anything but dnpmakkah? This is outside of the smack forum right? Yes you were consistent... is that a good thing?

I didn't say that oposition to any Israeli policy was anti semitism. Denying Israel's right to self defense or even her right to exist IS anti semitism.

If you denied it's right to existance I could see where you'd have a problem with self-defense

Shooting rockets at Israeli towns is not self defense. Setting off bombs in ice cream parlors, Pizza parlors & bus stations isn't self defense. Bombing people who launch these attacks IS self defense.

Was this thread about self defense or UN santions ... maybe it's about the price of fuel in Istanbul, we've been off topic so long I forget

[BossHog]

I used to post these in Smack but lots of people said that wasn't the correct place to post political topics. So I started posting them here. It would be fine except for the few of us here who can't handle the truth handed to them then revert to name-calling making it seem like it should go into Smack.

Why don't you stop worrying abut rule enforcement and worry more about your argument?

I've watched this thread closely from the beginning, even made comments throughout it... there may even have been particpants who WERE warned privately... but you don't really need to worry about anything but yourself.

You want to start a thread in Smack, be my guest. Otherwise, stop belly-aching and leave the moderation to those chosen to do so please.

Consider yourself warned... you would have got the warning privately had you not sought to challenge the rules publicly.

Stick to your discourse, we'll handle the rest, thanks.

[UK Skins Fan]

UK Skins Fan wrote:

Now, feel free to continue your discussion, and polarise opinions to your hearts' content.

One thing you will not find, my friend, is a single politically provokative thread such as this which was started by me. On the other hand, you will have no problem finding multiple such threads started by a handful of individuals, many of which have included deliberate collective slanders of members of my peer group. Should I accept that?

I choose to respond to them, but I don't ever start them. Please consider that. Were these inane provokations not posted, you would not have to endure my responses to them... I would also respectfully point out that,, knowing that posts by certain members are almost always of a provokative nature, those who object to these "discussions" could simply elect not to open.

Well, I expected to get a rise from my post, but I didn't expect anybody to take it personally. You seem to assume that my comments were addressed to you specifically. That wasn't the case - I was merely expressing some frustration at the direction these threads always seem to take. I could indeed exercise the option of not opening such threads, but I find myself (in weak moments) actually wanting to participate from time to time. I find that impulse smothered by the hysterical levels of bile that get spat back and forth between both sides. Guess what, if you find yourself standing between two sides spitting bile, you end up getting covered in the stuff. This makes me a little cranky. Especially when there are such example as "you're worse than Hitler" clogging up the debate.

Again, my comments were addressed at no individual.

They may be provocative threads, but we don't have to be provoked every time into spiralling hostility.

[UK Skins Fan]

Well, to answer the question at the start of this thread, NO.

This is uncharacteristically simplistic and plain wrong.

Uncharacteristic? Thanks - you're probably right. See my post above for potentials reasons for my brevity.

Simplistic - definitely.

Wrong - maybe, maybe not. Perhaps I was only commenting in light of the high profile resolutions of recent years, rather than the whole body of the UN's work. If nations went to the UN and talked instead of people dying, then things would be fine. The trouble is, people always seem to be dying, WHILE the UN talks. Something about Nero and fiddling comes to mind.