QB Situation under Gibbs

[Steve Spurrier III]

What make everyone think thta Campbell is the real deal?

We have no idea if Campbell is the real deal (although he certainly has the tools), but we are never going to find out unless he gets on the field.

[The Hogster]

What make everyone think thta Campbell is the real deal?

We have no idea if Campbell is the real deal (although he certainly has the tools), but we are never going to find out unless he gets on the field.

Nobody is saying that he should not eventually get on the field. You young tikes are just trying to force the issue. Everyone knows that Brunell is aging...no one is saying that he should play out his contract as the starter. What people are saying is that this team is trying to win now. If we win a championship, everything else will fall into place. Trust me. Gibbs has done this before with 3 different QB's. He builds a great team, like he is doing now, and he asks his QB's to basically manage that team. He doens't ask them to be Elway or Manning, just manage the offense.

Gibbs right now is in year 2 of building the TEAM. Judging by the progress we have made, and will likely make this year...it is not an incredible task to ask Brunell to manage the team. We want to run the ball and be smart in the passing game, and play great defense.

That is what we are trying to accomplish. Once we establish a team that can play at that level, you will see our Quarterback play increase whether Brunell or Campbell is under center.

Just by removing Gardner, Coles, Raymer and getting Raybach, Moss, Patten, and Jansen back on the line, Brunell's rating jumped about 20 points from last year.

If we can add another receiver, and continue to improve and gell as a team, then you will see greater things from the QB. Will he have a 103 rating, who knows...likely not. But can we win more games next year...absolutely.

Campbell will be learning the offense more, including the new stuff that Saunders will bring. He will be more mature and have more knowledge. As the number 2 QB he will likely see action when there is an injury or in blowout games. THEN we can see how he translates his knowledge and preparation to the field.

You don't just throw him in there, unless Gibbs feels like he is ready. If and when he does, I think it will be the right time. I'm just trying to get you to understand that Gibbs doesn't have to start Campbell right now. All the things you say can be true but there is a alot to be said about the timing of throwing a rookie in there, especially on a team with Superbowl pressure.

Campbell should take over progressively. I have not coached, but I did play Quarterback in high school. (althouth we ran the ridiculous Wing Tee offense), but Steve Young said it best. Anybody can drop back and throw the ball to somone else, but what makes it so tough to play high level at QB is that the QB must know 1) where everyone on his own team needs to line up and where they will be on the field and 2) they need to know where the defense will be when they line up in every type of formation. On top of that, you have to recognize that and be able to make the decision in less than 3 seconds.

That is a lot to ask of a guy, just because you are anxious. Be patient and trust what Gibbs is doing. He is looking out for our young QB, and in the long run the team will be better for it.

I say drafting Campbell was the right decision because he is talented, and it looks like Ramsey will be gone, and he will know the offense like the back of his hand when it's time for him to start.

[weneedcharlesmann]

good post--i don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, but you make good arguments...

if coach gibbs doesn't think campbell is ready, then there's no doubt, he shouldn't play. I just hope that the decision about whether or not he is ready will be made in light of some of the success that younger quarterbacks are having when surrounded by good talent and the potential for long term development. Considering how impressivly Coach Gibbs and staff have turned this team around, i know that everything relevant will go into that decision.

[DEHog]

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly…who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who have never known neither victory or defeat-Teddy Roosevelt

[Chris Luva Luva]

And let Campbell screw up once and the crowd at FedEX will be all over him!! What make everyone think thta Campbell is the real deal?? I'll admit if he fails it won't be from poor coaching..just wondering how much patients will us fans have next year after returning to the playoffs this year more is expected next year..thta's alot of pressure to place on Jason!!

Exactly, a lot of "fans" seem anxious to repeat the same mistakes we made with Ramsey. Its like they dont want us to have a steady QB. They want to have a controversey every year. Im glad Gibbs doesn't listen to what we say and will do what he sees best regardless of what we type.

[Steve Spurrier III]

Exactly, a lot of "fans" seem anxious to repeat the same mistakes we made with Ramsey. Its like they dont want us to have a steady QB. They want to have a controversey every year. Im glad Gibbs doesn't listen to what we say and will do what he sees best regardless of what we type.

Yeah, and it seems a lot of "fans" are gun shy after the Heath Shuler and Patrick Ramsey debacles. Good thing Cincinnati didn't stop trying after David Kingler and Akili Smith.

We don't want a quarterback controversy every year, but rather we want stability in the position for years to come - and sticking with Brunell in 2006 is nothing but a temporary fix. I believe we have a great corp of young talent, especially on offense, and the sooner we get a quarterback in the system who can be the franchise quarterback, the sooner we can start being perennial winners.

And again, playing Campbell in his second year is not "rushing things". Nearly all first round quarterbacks see playing time in their second year, and most get significant snaps (starting over eights games). Waiting until year three is the extreme move.

[roybus14]

Gibbs won't just throw him out there. I foresee that Campbell will get more work and will be "coached up" to the #2 spot. Brunell will probably start the season as the starter but it will be a matter of whether Gibbs and Saunders feel Campbell is ready to take over.

Hey, I am all for Brunell remaining the starter "UNLESS", this offense does not get better with Saunders running it and we repeat what we had last year. If the O-line can improve to a point where our running game averages 4-6 yards per carry and gives our QB time to throw, then Brunell will do until Campbell is ready. If not, then you have to think about going with the younger and more mobile Campbell and basically manage him to not take a lot of chances thru the play calling. Our defense will be the best next year so that may be possible.

Also, let's not necessarily rule out the #11 car... Saunders may see something in the #11 car and may convince Gibbs to keep him. Ramsey has shown all year that he can be a professional despite the way he was handled so the worse that we can be is loaded at QB. It's a nice luxury to have.

One of the things that hurt Ramsey was that he didn't have the protection must young QBs get with at least some time to throw and some sort of running game that could get yards. Big Ben and Brady were fortunate enough to walk into situations where their teams had solid pass protection and solid running games. So their learning curve was alot gentlier than Ramsey's was and they had time to make the right decisions or could always hand it off.

Whether it is Brunell, Campbell, or Ramsey, we have to get alot better up front with our running game and pass protection or does not matter who is back there....

[Irn-Bru]

Waiting until year three is the extreme move.

Waiting until year three is no more extreme than starting a young QB in year two. Young QBs struggle, and it's very possible that it would be more beneficial to give Cambpell more time to develop in practice and in the film room than by putting him out there in game situations. No extremes here, just different philosophies.

Now, if we were talking about sitting him for 3, 4, or 5 seasons, then maybe you'd have an argument. . .but we'll have to wait at least another year before that's even relevant.

[Steve Spurrier III]

Waiting until year three is the extreme move.

Waiting until year three is no more extreme than starting a young QB in year two.

Based soley on how first-round quarterbacks have been handled in the past, waiting until their third year is extremely unusual, and in that sense, much more extreme.

Again, we are not at the practices so we don't really know, but we haven't heard or seen anything that would suggest that Campbell is abnormally underdeveloped. The Redskins are great at a lot of things, but keeping secrets isn't one of them. If Campbell was really lagging behind, we would know it.

[Irn-Bru]

Based soley on how first-round quarterbacks have been handled in the past

edit: . . .and on how they have performed (i.e. not well). . .

waiting until their third year is extremely unusual, and in that sense, much more extreme.

In my opinion, it isn't extreme simply because the most recent dominant practice has been to start QBs early and often. In the history of the NFL, keeping quarterbacks on the sideline for 2 years before letting them take over is anything but rare or extreme.