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You are coming to a Redskin's site expecting to see us to praise a team that we are facing in a matter of days.


Please, I'm not asking for any praise.... I know better then to expect that!

We won against the 49'ers pretty soundly. So your logic is not quite right.


yes, you kicked their butts at home (52-17).. so did we (41-3). That wasn't even my point.

6 mph winds??? How will we ever play??????


I don't know how accurate your weather forcasts are, but you can't go by it here.. trust me! The wind does really whirl in Qwest Field... and all I'm saying is, the passing game may be tough for both teams depending on how mother nature desides to act. Cold? probably not. Thank goodness. I hate cold! lol

And please, the Hawks are not cocky - they are simply being confident as they should be. They know what they have to do. We lost in the playoffs just a year ago. They have a lot of pressure and a lot to prove and they KNOW this. The last thing on their minds will be thinking this is some easy win. You think the Skins have been underdogs before? Try being a Seahawk!
This is the NFL and any team is capable of beating any team on any given Sunday - you don't win 13 games (11 straight) just because of a 'soft' schedule. I don't care how lucky you are.
If anyone needs to worry about being over-confident it would be the Skins.. thinking they are playing some over-rated team.
I can admit that I am nervous and I know we have to have our A game... and I am confident (NOT COCKY) that the Hawks players know this.
Here's to a good game and that no one gets hurt! -drinking
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HawkyChick wrote:
We lost in the playoffs just a year ago.


:D Get ready to make it two in a row :D
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hawkz own wrote:you guys are wack dude we have been talking about the money revenue in Dcand seattle since page 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Let's be clear about something, I'm not a moderator and don't pretend to be one. I am making fun of you.
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HawkyChick wrote: there won't be enough Skins fans to affect the Hawks.

Tampa fans said the same thing. Did you see the hard time their offense had quieting down the field? Our fans were clearly audible over the tv.
HawkyChick wrote: The Skins on the other hand, will have a very hard time hearing themselves think.

We'll survive. We survived in Tampa among other cities with better teams, better records, and better opposing fan attendance/volume than your team has faced. I seriously doubt when you played the Texans that their fan base was packed in their like if you played Denver, or KC.
HawkyChick wrote:As far as the deep passes to Moss.. don't count on it. It is going to be VERY rainy and WINDY. Been nasty for weeks and is not gonna let up.

It'll effect your throwing game also. However our run defense is better than yours.
HawkyChick wrote:Ths Skins lost to the friggin RAIDERS?? Now that is more appropriate to call 'pathetic'

You think its more respectable to lose to the 9ers than the Raiders? :lol: Yea sure buddy.
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we did beat every other team in your division that you played twice and uh.. yes, we barely beat the 49ers


Barely beat them.... barely.....BARELY!!! :?

Yeah you played our division, but IMO you pulled of 2 lucky wins against he cowpukes and little giants, you should send a thank you card to jay feely... your team is the most overrated team in NFL history.
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HawkyChick wrote:This is the NFL and any team is capable of beating any team on any given Sunday - you don't win 13 games (11 straight) just because of a 'soft' schedule.

Good thing we are playing this game on a Saturday. :roll:

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Who was the last team to beat these mighty She-hawks?
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You think its more respectable to lose to the 9ers than the Raiders? Yea sure buddy.


WTF? Where did I say anything like that.I never said it would be respectable to lose to the 49ers - and we didn't.
This is the thing - you talk about soft schedules, etc, but the fact remains... we beat teams that a GOOD team SHOULD beat. If we 'sucked' so bad, we'd be right at the bottom with the rest of em. And to comment that we are so terrible since SanFransisco 'almost' beat us, then what does that say about the Skins? We 'almost' beat you!
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HawkyChick wrote:
You think its more respectable to lose to the 9ers than the Raiders? Yea sure buddy.


And to comment that we are so terrible since SanFransisco 'almost' beat us, then what does that say about the Skins? We 'almost' beat you!


The key difference there is that we did beat you the team we should have beat and you did NOT beat the team you should have beat.

Almost doesn't cut it. Almost equals a loss.
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There is a Wikipedia entry I'd like to share with all of you: False dilemma.

An excerpt:
The logical fallacy of false dilemma, which is also known as fallacy of the excluded middle, false dichotomy, either/or dilemma or bifurcation, involves a situation in which two alternative points of view are held to be the only options, when in reality there exist one or more alternate options which have not been considered.
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HawkyChick wrote:As far as our 'pathetic schedule'.. we did beat every other team in your division that you played twice and uh.. yes, we barely beat the 49ers, but we did WIN. whereas, uh, HELLO? Ths Skins lost to the friggin RAIDERS?? Now that is more appropriate to call 'pathetic'


Not just pathetic, most pathetic, need to use the superlative degree there. Also, employing your logic, the Raiders are better than Seattle. Raiders beat Redskins, Redskins beat Squaks, Raiders are "pathetic," therefore, Squaks are somewhere below worse than pathetic. I'll volunteer atrocious but it's really up to you.
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The key difference there is that we did beat you the team we should have beat and you did NOT beat the team you should have beat


What team are you referring to? You feel you 'should' have beat us, so what team did we lose to that we 'should' have beat? We only lost 2 (other then GB that we gave away) If it was you, and you feel we 'should' have won, then you just said we are a better team.
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Wow the logic completely escapes her.

We were the underdogs. We won. You were the favorties and you lost. Spelled out clearly enough?

Again we have climbed mountains while you were out walking hills. Keep believing in your team, that's what fans do. But don't come here acting like we should bow down the mighty Seahawks. Our fans won't and our team won't on Saturday. This battle will be hard fought and we're not letting your team walk off of the field until we've pushed them to their limits, like no other team on their schedule did.
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NikiH wrote:we have climbed mountains while you were out walking hills.


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HawkyChick wrote:.. the passing game may be tough for both teams depending on how mother nature desides to act. Cold? probably not.


I think that we will see a great game if it's just on the ground. Alexander is the MVP and you have "best line in the NFL" according to the media. We just have little Clinton Portis and the oldest guy in the NFL at 40+ years - no contest, right? We'll see - I think your guys are just salivating at that matchup.

..If anyone needs to worry about being over-confident it would be the Skins..


I think you're right! I mean the way we demolished those Bucs - our offense was just overpowering! We may rest those guys this week - the D needs a little work on their manners but apart from that they will be wearing their whites and trying not to get too dirty.


Here's to a good game and I hope both teams play their best. I do not think your best beats ours but that's just me.
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Seahawks bloodied and bowed
Problems continue to add up

By ANGELO BRUSCAS
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck had a career day throwing the football between the 20-yard lines, and receivers Koren Robinson and Itula Mili had similar personal-best performances catching the football.


But Seattle coach and general manager Mike Holmgren still managed to tie his career-worst start halfway through an NFL season, as the 2-6 Seahawks were unable to put the ball in the end zone and fell to the Washington Redskins 14-3 yesterday at Seahawks Stadium.

It was the kind of game that first-year Redskins coach Steve Spurrier called one of the strangest he'd ever been a part of. But the Seahawks still couldn't find a way to get back on familiar footing and string together consecutive wins for the first time this season.

"There's such a small margin for victory and loss, and we're just on the other side of that now," Hasselbeck said.

There were 64,325 tickets distributed for the fourth home game of the season in the new $430 million stadium, but only a few thousand fans remained to watch the final minutes in which the Seahawks' offensive futility was magnified by another major injury on defense. Outside linebacker Chad Brown will have surgery today on his right foot and will be lost for the season.

In a game where all the scoring occurred in the first half, the Seahawks fell victim to some of their same old problems. The Redskins averaged 6.3 yards per carry even with their top running back, Stephen Davis, out of the game with a sprained knee. That left first-year backup Kenny Watson to pick up the slack, and he sliced through the Seahawks' defense for 58 yards in the first half and 110 yards on 23 carries in the game.

"It gave the whole offense confidence," Watson said of his early running success against the NFL's lowest-ranked run defense. "We wanted to set the tone for the game, and we got two scores early."

Washington quarterback Shane Matthews completed just 10 of 27 passes for 114 yards, but he was just accurate enough on two touchdown passes: the first an 11-yard toss to wide receiver Darnerien McCants in the back of the end zone, and the second a 19-yard throw to Rod Gardner over the middle with Seahawks safety Curtis Fuller falling down in coverage.

The Seahawks were able to score just once -- Rian Lindell's 23-yard field goal in the second quarter -- and were 0-3 in red-zone opportunities in the game.

"They're starting to add up," Holmgren said when asked about his team's woes inside the 20-yard line. "Today, we didn't score enough points. Our defense played a much better football game. We're playing very close football games, but we're losing them for whatever reason."

Making his second start of the season for Trent Dilfer, who's out for the season with a torn Achilles tendon, Hasselbeck posted career highs in passes attempted (44), completions (28) and yards (264). But he fumbled twice, and was sacked four times; two by 39-year-old, 18-year defensive end Bruce Smith.

He also couldn't put points on the scoreboard. The closest the Seahawks came to scoring a touchdown was a fourth-and-goal play from the 2-yard-line, when Smith blew by Pro Bowl Seahawks tackle Walter Jones and dropped Hasselbeck for an 11-yard loss with just 17 seconds left in the first half. Hasselbeck said the first option is to look for Robinson, who was double covered. Next up is wide receiver Bobby Engram, who was bracketed in coverage and unable to get free.

"It's a good play for almost every coverage, but it's tough against one coverage, and that's the coverage they played," Hasselbeck said.

Holmgren, however, acknowledged the risk of going for the touchdown instead of a field goal was all on his shoulders, with the Seahawks badly in need of a lift at the time.

"Given how we're playing on offense lately, I thought it was worth the risk," Holmgren said. "They covered the play. I would have liked Matt to throw it somewhere, because there's not too much more bad that can happen than to get sacked."

Going into halftime without getting anything from the drive was also tough to recover from, especially because the offense was excited that Holmgren had decided to go for the touchdown in the first place.

"As the quarterback of the offense, I was excited that he called the play," Hasselbeck said. "We were fired up and I think that gave us an emotional boost, that he showed confidence in us. But we didn't get it done."

Although the Seahawks effectively moved the ball at times in the second half, they never got that close again to scoring. Robinson (8 receptions) and tight end Mili (6 catches for 71 yards), both set new personal highs, but Engram had just one reception for 11 yards, and running back Shaun Alexander was held to 67 yards rushing on 19 carries.

"Give credit to the Washington defense. They have great players, they move it around and get to the ball," Robinson said. "But I don't feel like their defense really deterred us from doing what we wanted to do. I felt like we moved the ball pretty well, we just hurt ourselves in key situations like we have been doing pretty much all year."

Even when the Seahawks caught a break -- such as defensive end Antonio Cochran's second-quarter interception -- they were unable to cash in.

"Overall, we made enough mistakes to lose, but it didn't happen that way. We won," a somewhat bewildered Spurrier said.

But the Redskins' coach found the only explanation that mattered: "There were some good things in there to keep them out of the end zone."

Halfway through the 2002 regular season, the Seahawks are now all alone in last place in the NFC West, while the Redskins moved to 4-4.

Center Robbie Tobeck noted that with the loss of Dilfer, the Seahawks are now missing five starters, including wide receiver Darrell Jackson, who missed his first game of the season with a concussion suffered last week in Dallas. His biggest frustration comes from practicing hard all week, only to see someone else go down and the offense stall at critical moments.

"I believe in this coaching staff. I believe in the players. I believe in things we're doing. I believe in how we work in practice, and the attitude we take," Tobeck said. "It's just frustrating that we can't score 17 points to win a football game."

The last -- and only time -- a Holmgren team got off to this kind of start was in 2000, his second year in Seattle. That team started 2-6 and finished 6-10.

Tobeck still sees reason for optimism, however.

"I've been around long enough to know that when you have guys with the quality of character I think we have on this team, and guys the way we practice, the point does come when we do have our whole team together," the nine-year veteran said.

"We're going to be dangerous for a number of reasons. We've had a lot of guys who have had to step up and play this year. We're going to be deep and good. There's going to come a day when this is going to pay off."

REDSKINS 14, SEAHAWKS 3

# NEXT GAME: Seahawks at Arizona Cardinals, Sunday, 1:15 p.m.

# TV/RADIO: KCPQ/13; KIRO-AM/710

ONE-GAME WONDERS
Starting in place of the injured Stephen Davis yesterday at Seahawks Stadium, Kenny Watson of the Redskins recorded the first 100-yard rushing game of his career. Watson joins the following one-game wonders whose only career 100-yard rushing day came at the expense of the Seahawks:


1/22/81, James Hadnot, Chiefs, 106yads, Chiefs 40, Seahawks 13
10/11/87, Marc Logan, Bengals, 103yds, Bengals 17, Seahawks 10
12/27/87, Herman Heard, Chiefs, 107yds, Chiefs 41, Seahawks 20
12/10/95, Glyn Milburn, Broncos, 131yds, Seahawks 31, Broncos 27
9/15/02, Thomas Jones, Cardinals, 173yds, Cardinals 24, Seahawks 13
11/3/02, Kenny Watson, Redskins, 110yds, Redskins 14, Seahawks 3


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/ ... wk04.shtml
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More memories...

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Explain this seahawks fans. You're "impressive" offense battled the worst defenses in the league.

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Ok Chris this is why we love you!!!! ^
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NikiH wrote:Ok Chris this is why we love you!!!! ^


I dont deserve the credit, I just find stuff I dont make it. I just make sure I bring it back home. 8)
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Wow, mucho bueno CLL, so (if my math is correct) the Seahawks had nine games against seven of the worst defenses in the league.
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Ill make sure that chart stays afloat throughout this thread.
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we have climbed mountains while you were out walking hills.


Niki that was a great line! That's what i'm saying to everyone who gives me crap!
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Regarding the 49ers games - this is a team that you play twice, along with the Cards and the Rams! Do you rest most of your starters for these "contests" or what?

HawkyChick wrote:..yes, you kicked their butts at home (52-17).. so did we (41-3). That wasn't even my point.


Um! [-X Can you please explain how this 13-3 juggernaut played in the 49ers game in San Francisco - this was a 27-25 victory?
C'mon, you have to understand we are only trying to show you that 13-3 is what it is - we just have a little trouble with some fans from there thinking that they should be favored against our team.

Your RB got a lot of yards against some pretty terrible defenses.
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In fairness, Shaun Alexander gets a lot of yards every year, no matter who they play. He is a good back with a good line.

That being said, we held him under 100 when we played the first time, and while the hawks have improved since then, so has the Redskins defense. With the exception of Wynn, we are as healthy as a team can be on defense.

Evans needs to step up and remember he's got Marcus behind him and just sell out on the run on every play, cause you know that's where the first 2-3 runs are going.
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The Seahawks have some more bad karma! Dr Z has picked them to win, 27-20 :up:

He says we're too tired! :shock:
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