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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

cvillehog wrote:Why are you arguing against arguments I didn't make?

It's usless to the discussion to do that.

My bad.

]We get it! You like Brunell. Might I point out that maybe you aren't the best judge of who should be our QB? I mean, being the sole member of the Danny Woeful fan club.

Wrong. I'm a fan of Wuerffel, the man and Brunell, the QB.

Plus, I'm not the only one who sees Brunell as the better option THIS YEAR. Had this happened last year...maybe your argument would have some legs to it. This year, though, I don't think so.

Well, you are wrong. Brunell didn't show nearly as much as you think he did in preseason. Not only was he playing against scrubs, but there were no gameplans meaning that someone with much less experience (i.e. Patrick) is not going to look as good as someone with years and years as an NFL starter!

In the preseason, Brunell looked better than the following other starting QBs, listed here with their stats from Sunday:
Joey Harrington: 15 for 28, 167yds, 2 TDs in a 17-3 Win
Ben Roethlisberger: 9 for 11, 218yds, 2 TDs in a 34-7 Win
Tim Rattay: 11 for 16, 165yds, 2 TDs in a 28-25 Win
Drew Bledsoe: 18 for 24, 226yds, 3 TDs in a 28-24 Win

Which of those QBs did he look better than on Sunday?

The reason our running game opened up is because Ramsey made our recievers a threat. Did any of you all remember the first quarter and begining of the second. We couldn't run for jack. If we started Brunell in the begining of the game he wouldn;t have completed those passed especially the one to Moss.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Redskins Rule wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Redskins Rule wrote:If we played a team with a top 15 offense we would have lost.

I'm sure the defense appreciates your vote of confidence.

Its not about the defense.....its about our offense scoring points. I have my doubts that Mark Brunnell can do that.

Besides, Mark Brunnell had his chance last year and he blew it. Give Ramsey his chance this year.

Brunell's undefeated THIS YEAR. He has not thrown an INT THIS YEAR. He is healthy THIS YEAR. He runs the team better THIS YEAR.

Meanwhile, Ramsey had the entire offseason to work the kinks out of his system. While he improved some between the last PS game and yesterday's contest, it still appears that he's not ready/capable to LEAD this team. Mark does.

Hey RedeemedSkin......If it makes you feel any better Patrick Ramsey is a Christian too. One of the first things he did, after we drafted him, was to find a Church that had their services on Tuesdays. As you know football players are kind of busy on Sundays. So he looked hard and found a Church somewhere around Purcellville that holds their service during the week.

P.S. Give Ramsey his chance. He took a beating for us on Sunday. He deserves his fair shot at this just as much as Brunnell deserved his chance last year.

If Ramsey is 100% healthy, I hope we go with him but my confidence in him is on the downswing. He has got to stop turning the damn ball over.

The run game opened up after Ramsey left the game Manfreda. Seems to me if the defense loosened up for fear of Ramsey, the run would have worked when he was on the field. We wore them down physically. That is why the run became more effective later in the game. Duh.

ok guys lets think about this one...the reason Brunell didnt pass that much is because we had the lead and any of you that know gibbs style is to pound the ball and run down the clock. Secondly has ramsey had a preseason and now a regular season game without a pick? Frankly I dont think the receivers even have confidence him. One last question and I have asked it before and I want an honest answer...If both Ramsey and Brunell came into this season and we have never seen either play and they had a fresh slate, based upon what we have seen who would be your starter? There is no one that can say they would start Ramsey.

gregory smith wrote:The run game opened up after Ramsey left the game Manfreda. Seems to me if the defense loosened up for fear of Ramsey, the run would have worked when he was on the field. We wore them down physically. That is why the run became more effective later in the game. Duh.

The run game opened up because we found a seam in it.

I know the original post asked for no commentary, but this one is hard to answer without an explanation. I voted for Ramsey because he earned the starting job last year and IS our starter. I think he has more potential to throw the ball down field than Brunell. But, I think Brunell is a better leader and manages the game better. If the strength of our team is the defense and we are counting on our QB to manage the game and not make mistakes that lose games, I have more confidence in Brunell to do that than Ramsey. Ramsey just can't seem to get it through his head that he can't turn the ball over.

skins#1fan wrote:If both Ramsey and Brunell came into this season and we have never seen either play and they had a fresh slate, based upon what we have seen who would be your starter? There is no one that can say they would start Ramsey.

didn't we essentially do that last year? there was an 'open' *cough* qb competition, and brunell won. he played so poorly that joe replaced him. now it's ramsey's turn. should he look as horrible as brunell did last year, i say get him out of there. until then, he can do no worse than brunell.

skins#1fan wrote: has ramsey had a preseason and now a regular season game without a pick?

Answer: 2003 season week 2 at Atlanta, 357 yards, 2 td´s, ZERO as an 0 int´s, with an awful redskins defense, he already proved he can put those numbers, Gibbs has to give him a REAL chance, if Brunell starts the offense won´t score more than 10 points, you can count on that.

This is a waste of time, PRamsey will be the QB as long as he's healthy for at least through 5 games. JGibbs is not going to stab Ramsey in the back like that. Not going to happen, definitely.
I mean...isn't that CLEAR???? Brunell was given his time last year, Ramsey will get his time too.

Brunell has been named the starter according to redskins.com

Check out the thread in the Gameday forum. Crazy...just plain wild.

oneman56 wrote:Brunell has been named the starter according to redskins.com

I would like to think that that means that Ramsey needs rest due to health issues. I hope so.

I agree with Terry Bradshaw -- start Campbell. I don't think we go far with Brunell or Ramsey.

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:This is a waste of time, PRamsey will be the QB as long as he's healthy for at least through 5 games. JGibbs is not going to stab Ramsey in the back like that. Not going to happen, definitely.
I mean...isn't that CLEAR???? Brunell was given his time last year, Ramsey will get his time too.

Dude -- Ramsey's done in Washington. And I quote:

Gibbs: "I'm looking for someone to establish himself as our quarterback."

Asked if the decision to start Brunell was related to the neck sprain, Gibbs said: "I think Patrick's fine."

Personally, I think something happened in the locker room at half-time following the injury. Gibbs is loyal to a fault and he's apparantly abandoned PRam. Our season now rests on Brunell.

WylieSkins wrote:I agree with Terry Bradshaw -- start Campbell. I don't think we go far with Brunell or Ramsey.

Wasn't Ramsey inserted into the NFL game waaay to soon? Granted, it was in the OBC's offense, but Ramsey has yet to recover from the poundings. Let's not do the same with the future of this franchise (Campbell).

And he would have taken the Skins to the playoffs last season if Brunell wasn't named the starter, and then named the starter again, oh, then four more times!!!!!! This is a very poor decision on Gibbs' part. I'll gladly eat every word and apologize to him personally if Brunell can pull it out. Plus, I'll wear a Cowboys jersey and snort some coke with Michael Irvin... well maybe not the last part :0)

Scooter wrote:And he would have taken the Skins to the playoffs last season if Brunell wasn't named the starter, and then named the starter again, oh, then four more times!!!!!! This is a very poor decision on Gibbs' part. I'll gladly eat every word and apologize to him personally if Brunell can pull it out. Plus, I'll wear a Cowboys jersey and snort some coke with Michael Irvin... well maybe not the last part :0)

Yeah me too maybe not the Cowboy jersey part :8)

redskincity wrote:

Scooter wrote:And he would have taken the Skins to the playoffs last season if Brunell wasn't named the starter, and then named the starter again, oh, then four more times!!!!!! This is a very poor decision on Gibbs' part. I'll gladly eat every word and apologize to him personally if Brunell can pull it out. Plus, I'll wear a Cowboys jersey and snort some coke with Michael Irvin... well maybe not the last part :0)

Yeah me too maybe not the Cowboy jersey part :8)

But you'd snort coke with the enemy??? You really are taking Ramsey's demotion hard, wouldn't you say?

Just read the news in the Post this morning. I am very concerned about the decision. The spot is still Ramsey's to lose, IMO.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

redskincity wrote:

Scooter wrote:And he would have taken the Skins to the playoffs last season if Brunell wasn't named the starter, and then named the starter again, oh, then four more times!!!!!! This is a very poor decision on Gibbs' part. I'll gladly eat every word and apologize to him personally if Brunell can pull it out. Plus, I'll wear a Cowboys jersey and snort some coke with Michael Irvin... well maybe not the last part :0)

Yeah me too maybe not the Cowboy jersey part :8)

But you'd snort coke with the enemy??? You really are taking Ramsey's demotion hard, wouldn't you say?

No not taking it hard. I was just a bit disappointed in the decision initially. I want whats best for the team and if Brunell is the key, so be it.

Nah, I wouldn't snort anything with you - much less Michael Irvin And yes, I'm taking it hard. I'm TIRED OF LOSING. This move takes us a full - three steps backwards. Taking it hard? You can bet your left-one on that pal!

Scooter wrote:Taking it hard? You can bet your left-one on that pal!

I happen to like nmy earlobes very much, thank you, and, no, they are not up for wagering.

Art_Monk wrote:Just read the news in the Post this morning. I am very concerned about the decision. The spot is still Ramsey's to lose, IMO.

I am deeply saddened by todays news, i didn;t have the heart to get on here and talk about this, and almost cried reading all the posts here and the widespread majority of us picking Ramsey. Joe Gibbs is now to me, not a good coach. Yes i said it. I will follow Ramsey wherever he goes in the offseason and become an instant fan of that team, where I know his coach will actually give him a chance and not hold a biast opinion against him.

Rooting for the redskins is a lost cause. Everything has been expalined here to an overkill point, so i am not going to state why Ramsey should start, other then Coach gave him no time to even start. I wish Ramsey luck with whatever other team he goes to, because he wont play here, even if he gets this team to the playofs which wont happen becasue Brunell will start for a minimum of 4 weeks and then be thrown out which begs the question. Jason or Pat, and Gibbs will probobly take Pat because he THINKS the season is not over, but it already is. It was over when we beat the bears by two points. Im so happy my favorite team is the Steelers (not sure u guys knew that!), where the coach makes the right decisions. I know im bein a downer, but this just proves what i thought would happen once Ramsey was not put in the game.

Goodbye, i probobly wont be back at this site until either Ramsey plays or is traded and shows the skins what idiots they are.

But enough of my ignorance, my biast opinion towards Ramsey. Yes he has his problems, yes Jansen even said tonight on the radio, that in the clubhouse the team overall does not like some thinks Ramsey is doing, maybe he is not listening to them, not listening to Musgrave, not doing it the way he was told, but guess what, when you are thrown in your first two years, and have a different offense to deal with and its always bein "REVAMPED" eveyr year, what do u expect. Thanks washington, for ruining another players career. As many have said, Ramsey will be succesful, just NOT here. Have fun with Jason Campbell.. good luck with that this year...