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I think you might be seeing some things that aren't there Redeemed.

Brunell looked better than he did last year, but he looked REALLY AWFUL last year. Everybody in a uniform right now looks better than he did last year.

Also, Ramsey hasn't been nearly as bad as some people would have you believe.

cvillehog wrote:I think you might be seeing some things that aren't there Redeemed.

I think so, too. Of course, there's a reson for that:

...faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. - Hebrews 11:1

It's part of being a Redeemedskin.

cvillehog wrote:I think you might be seeing some things that aren't there Redeemed.

Brunell looked better than he did last year, but he looked REALLY AWFUL last year. Everybody in a uniform right now looks better than he did last year.

Also, Ramsey hasn't been nearly as bad as some people would have you believe.

CONGRATS on 2000! I respect your input and enjoy the humor!

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crazyhorse1 wrote:

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King Cali Skin wrote:It is a trade off, Ramsey has the arm to bombs away, but so far Burnni has been on point in the short and intermediate game, hitting recievers in stride and making good decisions.

Isn't this statement clarify exactly what was wrong with our passing opffense last year.....the thing that had EVERYONE clamboring for Patrick Ramsey.

Search for Brunell can't throw the long ball, and you will likely get 50 threads.

Unfortunately for Ramsey fans, though, Brunell has shown he can throw the long ball this pre-season.

What long ball has Mark thrown?

I've witnessed him throw deep several times this preseason. Of course, not many were completions, but he certainly made the whole "noodle arm" monicker irrelevant with his play.

The first was against Carolina, when he actually "overthrew" a receiver.

Most recently, in the Stillers game, a wide open receiver dropped a long pass that would have, IMO, locked up the unofficial Comeback Player of the Year Award for #8.

Mark certainly has more zip on his throws and, compared to "The Ram" looks extremely comfortable in running the team. It also seems like the running game is working better with him under center. I guess that with his "resurgence" teams HAVE to respect the pass, thereby opening gaping running lanes for Nemo and co.

I think most of Nemo's yards last game came with Campbell at QB? Does anyone remember for sure. How long were those passes by Brunell. I just don't remember him airing it out.

No, he mainly was in there with Brunell. He scored both his TDs and ran for most of his yards when Brunell was QB.

In the first game he had that nice drive with Brunell and then scored. Remember that Combs took over at RB when Campbell came in. In the second Brunell played the entire second half and Nemo fumbled to end the game.

Can't remember what happened in the third but I think he split carries with Rock when Brunall was the QB and then was the RB when Campbell was in there too. Someone correct me if that isn't right but I am sure about those first two games.

In the Carolina game Brunell went deep on his third or fourth pass and threw a ball from his 45 yd line just a couple yards out of the reach of a reciever who was in the endzone over 60 yds in the air. What's more, the thing was an absolute rope, it never got more than 20 ft in the air. I remember this because the Carolina commentators wouldn't stop talking about it. They said something like "that's world class arm strangth for ANY QB." I also have TiVo and I went back and watched it again a few times because I couldn't believe my eyes.

Otherwise, he hasn't been airing it out per say but he has had a lot of velocity and accuracy on his passes and I don't see why he couldn't go down the field as well. You may remember that on Friday his only incompletion was probably his most impressive throw when he hit Brown on the left sideline but Antonio dropped the pass. That throw took a lot of arm strength to make and he put it on the money. No doubt, his arm is a lot better than it was last year.

hkHog wrote:In the Carolina game Brunell went deep on his third or fourth pass and threw a ball from his 45 yd line just a couple yards out of the reach of a reciever who was in the endzone over 60 yds in the air. What's more, the thing was an absolute rope, it never got more than 20 ft in the air. I remember this because the Carolina commentators wouldn't stop talking about it. They said something like "that's world class arm strangth for ANY QB." I also have TiVo and I went back and watched it again a few times because I couldn't believe my eyes.

Yes, I could not believe it either. Thanks for providing the supporting evidence to my claims.

...on Friday his only incompletion was probably his most impressive throw when he hit Brown on the left sideline but Antonio dropped the pass. That throw took a lot of arm strength to make and he put it on the money. No doubt, his arm is a lot better than it was last year.

Indeed, the dropped pass was the one I alluded to. Thanks again fir your input.

Now, I concede that Mark hasn't been throwing deep on every play, but he has taken his shots. Most of his completions are intermediate passes that the reciever can then turn into huge gains. The combination of his on-the-field leadership & confidence is the biggest difference for Mark in 2005.

I truly believe that, if given the opportunity this year (due to a Ramsey injury/implosion), Mark would be more than capable to lead us into the playoffs. Mark my words (no pun intended ).

Regarding Mark Brunell - hkHog wrote

..No doubt, his arm is a lot better than it was last year.

IMO at this position and others we are a much improved team than last year.
We will most likely need a back up QB and the concern about Brunell was due to what we all saw & experienced last year. We have to assume that Joe is sure that Brunell will not be as bad or he would have made sure that we had someone here who could do the job. I am fairly sure that Joe was not going to endure another season with 2 QBs who could not produce any offense. We also have to assume that he was never considering putting the ball in Campbell's hands this year unless it all just fell apart.
Brunell and Ramsey must have demonstrated to Joe this off season that they can do the job. IMO these 2 QBs are not great but they will get the job done and Joe and the offensive coaches will devise plays to suit all aspects of our game.
Both Brunell and Ramsey seem to be a lot better than last year. This is why I think we are a better team and why we will be in the playoffs this year.

IMO we have QBs who can get us to the next level. Next year we will have QBs who can win a SB. I would find it hard to believe that Brunell is here next year - no matter what he does as a back up. He is looking like a good back up - for now!

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Now, I concede that Mark hasn't been throwing deep on every play, but he has taken his shots. Most of his completions are intermediate passes that the reciever can then turn into huge gains. The combination of his on-the-field leadership & confidence is the biggest difference for Mark in 2005.

Exactly, I love the rhythm that our team plays with when Brunell is in there. He seems so cool and collected and that is his veteran leadership coming through.

He just drops back or rolls out, finds the open reciever and zips the ball out there. He gets the ball out so quick and he keeps the chains moving so well with those intermediate routes of about 15-20 yds. Most importantly though, you're exactly right, his accuracy has been excellent and for that reason he really gives his recievers a chance to get big gains after the catch when they are in the open field.

He looks very solid (and more importantly healthy, he just moves and throws like a guy sho's much younger than the old man who was out there last year) and I am actually really glad to have him on the squad. However, right now I am still backing Ramsey unless he just really loses it or gets injured.

hkHog wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Now, I concede that Mark hasn't been throwing deep on every play, but he has taken his shots. Most of his completions are intermediate passes that the reciever can then turn into huge gains. The combination of his on-the-field leadership & confidence is the biggest difference for Mark in 2005.

Exactly, I love the rhythm that our team plays with when Brunell is in there. He seems so cool and collected and that is his veteran leadership coming through.

He just drops back or rolls out, finds the open reciever and zips the ball out there. He gets the ball out so quick and he keeps the chains moving so well with those intermediate routes of about 15-20 yds. Most importantly though, you're exactly right, his accuracy has been excellent and for that reason he really gives his recievers a chance to get big gains after the catch when they are in the open field.

He looks very solid (and more importantly healthy, he just moves and throws like a guy sho's much younger than the old man who was out there last year) and I am actually really glad to have him on the squad. However, right now I am still backing Ramsey unless he just really loses it or gets injured.

Dude, you gotta strike while the iron is hot!! You have the post count already.

How 'bout the first THN avatar with Brunell in it???

Dare to go where no one has gone before.

I take your collective word for Brunell's ropes, and am glad to hear it. I hope you guys are right to have faith in the guy. I'd like to come out of the season thinking I've been bad bad bad bad wrong about Brunell and right about Ramsey and watching the Skins in the playoffs.

crazyhorse1 wrote:..I hope you guys are right.... I'd like to think... I've been bad bad bad bad wrong about Brunell and right about Ramsey and ....

c'horse1! I think 2 things - 1) Brunell may be showing that he is not as bad as he looked last year and 2) that Ramsey may be good enough to be our QB and get this team into the playoffs with a LOT of help from this line (which is giving indications of being very good) and from both a better running game and better receivers than last year. At least team wise!

I also believe we will need both QBs!