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Gibbs has already declared Patrick Ramsey the starter. Ramsey is getting the majority of time in camp, and he is the starter. Brunell will start if there is an injury or other reason why Ramsey can't play, but for now, there's no reason to worry about whether Brunell will start or not. In the meantime, you should just hope that Brunell plays good when he's called upon, and you can be sure he will be called on at some point during the season.

portis26 wrote:I just don't want Brunell to be the starter again this year. Plain and simple. He was the worst QB I've seen in a long time and I don't want him running the show again even if he has improved a little bit.

I want to be comfortable with Brunell as the starter, hell I want to feel the same way about Jason Campbell. They are the depth at the most important spot on the offense. I want the Bears to want Brunell, I want Green Bay to wonder if they picked the wrong one at 24. Above all I want both of them on the bench because Patrick as shown more than they have to keep his job.

listen... i'm losing faith in PRam by the second... if he has another game like that this wee and brunell performs... well i'd have brunell start the 3rd game... if campbell looked as decent as some of you have stated then i'll get down on bended knee and pray that brunell can hold down the fort and play better than last year unil campbell is ready.

patjam77 wrote:listen... i'm losing faith in PRam by the second... if he has another game like that this wee and brunell performs... well i'd have brunell start the 3rd game... if campbell looked as decent as some of you have stated then i'll get down on bended knee and pray that brunell can hold down the fort and play better than last year unil campbell is ready.

So you are ready to put Patrick behind Both Brunell and Campbell?

listen... i'm losing faith in PRam by the second... if he has another game like that ...well, i'd have brunell start the 3rd game...

Say what? I understand you are a little concerned about our QB situation but you are going to start Mark the week after next on the basis of 1 game?

WOW!! And it's only the first game of the pre-season. I wonder what'll happen if Ramsey has a bad second game!!!

listen.. i'm just stating an opinion and a feeling i am having... i wouldnt be saying any of this if ramsey showed somehting that looked like a QB that would win at least 9 games for us this year... i am sick of anticipating the regular season, always telling myself it's just preseason and that everything will be OK... only for it not to be and the signs were there all along... friday evening can't get her quick enough.

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Yeah...he's been doing better than last year. The days I was at camp, it seemed like Brunell was INDEED better than Ramsey. I don't know what's up with PRamsey....maybe he's not just working hard..just resting up for the real deal.

It IS scary that Brunell is actually doing kind of well...but if Ramsey can't even do better than Brunell...I guess we're going to HAVE to go with him right?

RESTING UP FOR THE REAL DEAL???? if thats what he is doing i dont want him as our starter. Hes a leader he should go into everything 110% percent.Jesus man. I really edont want Brunell back

Who cares if Brunell sucked last year. If he needs to come in this year and gets the job done, then I am more than happy.

Brunell was not playing Carolina starters. He looked better than our other two QBs, and there is a reason for that. Ramsey needs some obvious adjustments still, but I wouldn't throw in the towel on the basis of a couple of series of play - and without some key members on our side as well.

That's a good point, we can all agree that Ramsey needs to make some fundamental adjustments, but we should by no means throw in the towel on him yet. If nothing else, Ramsey should get the same loyalty that Brunell got last year.

JPFair wrote:That's a good point, we can all agree that Ramsey needs to make some fundamental adjustments, but we should by no means throw in the towel on him yet. If nothing else, Ramsey should get the same loyalty that Brunell got last year.

I agree - but not for 8 1/2 games. If Ramsey stinks it up, he should go sooner. I've said before that a record somewhere in the 1-3 or 0-4 area should warrant his replacement. 4 games should be more than enough for him to find his strengths.



Edit: For clarification, the 4-game-window I am referring to is for the regular season, of course.

My worry is that if we are 1-3, this year could quickly become a mirror image of last year. Let's say we leave Ramsey in after going 1-3 (which I pray is not the case - I really want to see him play well); and we lose our next game. 1-4 is usually a tough spot for a team to turn it around - and I wouldn't expect us to go 8-3 for the final 11 games.

Of course, you could argue, "what if Ramsey wins the 5th game?" Then we would be 2-3; not bad - but we'd better win 6 and 7.

All in all, I hope we can't even consider these questions. 3-1 would give me great assurance and faith in having a good season.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:..Ramsey still had happy feet in the pocket and looked flustereed too many times. I hope he rights his wrongs over the next three games. ..Like we've said all throughout the offseason, Ramsey deserves a shot at being the starter ...

I think we are all kind of on the same page to speak. We all want our offense to be better than last year and that starts with our QB. The scheme and the players playing well is going to be better (hopefully). We need to let this develop and have a little more patience with the early going here.

I also do not believe there is a time-frame involved. Gibbs will give Patrick the opportunity to show he grasps the system and has the capability of being the QB but if he does not play well he will be replaced.

I think he will be replaced even if we are winning IF he is not playing well. I really think Joe will give Patrick the opportunity for as long as it takes to know (in Joe's estimation) that Patrick is the QB for the Redskins.

We also are a lot better team if we have quality depth at all positions. This is not easy but it is especially important at QB and a couple of other positions. This is what is going on right now as we evaluate the players to see who starts and where the potential lies.

Patience people - this team will be better because they all play better not just the QB or our new MLB - Joe will have this team in the playoffs.

I don't think it would be fair to Ramsey to put him on notice that if we come out of the gate 1-3 or something like that, then his job is gone. Certainly, the Coaches will have to evaluate why we were 1-3, and if they can isolate the reasons being because of Ramsey, then a good case would be made to replace him. BUT, having said that, in that scenario it's quite possible that our defense could be responsible for us losing the games. Or, hypothetically speaking, special teams could have given it away. There's a whole myriad of reasons why a team could be 1-3, so I don't think it's fair to suggest that it would be Ramseys fault right off the bat without evaluating the entire team. Last year, it was clear that most of our losses were directly attributed to Brunells poor performance, although not all of them were.

We really can't say how it's going to go until the time comes. If we're 1-3 or 3-1, the coaches will undoubtedly be evaluating what needs to be done to either get us in the playoff chase or keep us in it.

Good points. I just hope we don't do the same thing as last year, when I think all of us could agree that Brunell should have been taken out earlier than he was.

But you're right - a bad start to the season might not be attributed to Ramsey.

Gibbs' Hog wrote:Good points. I just hope we don't do the same thing as last year, when I think all of us could agree that Brunell should have been taken out earlier than he was.

But you're right - a bad start to the season might not be attributed to Ramsey.

I would like to go on record now that if the offense stuggles (barring injury to Oline) it will be the QB postion that will be responsible for the trouble. Granted the first game is not a clear indication of anything at this point but Ramsey has really not done anything to prove he is ready to move forward. He is jittery, make poor reads, and is not showing any accuracy. I just want the team to do well anf if Ramsey is the guy to lead them then great, but if one of the other guys has to come in so be it.

If Brunell has a better pre-season than Ramsey - then no question start him. Ramsey looks bad - even to the point of regressing. Happy feet, not looking away defenders, poor decisions and passing, etc....

Brunell looked superb the other night. Agreed against mostly second stringers but then so were his receivers. His passing was right on target, used his head and tossed one out of bounds, rolled out nicely, set nicely, was aware of his receivers and lineman. All in all, a fine performance.

He looked like the Brunell of days past. And well, Ramsey looked like he was on his way out. Ramsey has no spark, no real commitment it seems. The man is down right DULL.

If Brunell can take us forward and win at least 6 games, he is the man. I don't really expect anything more than a 6-10 season anyway. Less if Ramsey starts and continues to sleep through games.

Also, loved the O-line play. Much better than against the Raisins the week before. Think the O-line did some practicing after the Raisins humiliated them? I was there and it was rather sad..... Again a scrimmage and the 1st real one anyway but the Raisins looked hungry, we looked flat. And that's hard for me to say since I despise the Raisins.....

I didn't realize there were so many psychics on this board. But, earlier we've got SkinsChic talking to ghosts (:P), and now all these people being able to make sweeping statements based on Patrick playing part of one preseason game.

What lottery numbers should I play?

085

oops...that would be pick three...not lottery.

And...I don't TALK to the Ghosts I just watch them. HA !

SkinsChic wrote:oops...that would be pick three...not lottery.

And...I don't TALK to the Ghosts I just watch them. HA !

If we don't win more than six games, it will be because Brunell has played in too many games.

COZ wrote:If Brunell has a better pre-season than Ramsey - then no question start him. Ramsey looks bad - even to the point of regressing. Happy feet, not looking away defenders, poor decisions and passing, etc....

Brunell looked superb the other night. Agreed against mostly second stringers but then so were his receivers. His passing was right on target, used his head and tossed one out of bounds, rolled out nicely, set nicely, was aware of his receivers and lineman. All in all, a fine performance.

He looked like the Brunell of days past. And well, Ramsey looked like he was on his way out. Ramsey has no spark, no real commitment it seems. The man is down right DULL.

If Brunell can take us forward and win at least 6 games, he is the man. I don't really expect anything more than a 6-10 season anyway. Less if Ramsey starts and continues to sleep through games.

As Gibbs as said a number of time that Patrick will go into the season as the STARTER. That means unlike last year there is NO QB COMPETITION. Brunell will go through the pre-season working with the second team, after 13 years he better look good. Ramsey will be working with the 1st team in practice and in the PS games to prepare for the season (for our mental sake he better look good) If Brunell replaces Ramsey as the starter it will be sometime during the season.

COZ wrote:Also, loved the O-line play. Much better than against the Raisins the week before. Think the O-line did some practicing after the Raisins humiliated them? I was there and it was rather sad..... Again a scrimmage and the 1st real one anyway but the Raisins looked hungry, we looked flat. And that's hard for me to say since I despise the Raisins.....

The O-Line will be the key to the offense and they appear to be starting to gel.

Sooner or later this pre-season we will see something we did not see all of last year. A offensive line working as one, Blocking for Patrick and the defense will have a split second to decide if it's play action or did he really give the ball to CP.

The Panthers played a lot of two-deep on Saturday, you can do that if Portis is getting his touches. That equals less saftey help for the corners covering our speed merchants. One opens up the other. Nothing happens if nothing is going on up front