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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:03 pm
by Fanforever
Judging from the latest Wash.Post article, the Arrington case is not completely settled. Any final disposition of his case will have cap ramifications, and I'm not at all sure these issues have been resolved.

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:34 pm
by 1niksder
Redskins, Arrington Continue Discussions
Sides Hope to Resolve Financial Dispute

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 31, 2005; Page E11

While linebacker LaVar Arrington worked out many of his differences with the Washington Redskins during a meeting with team officials on Wednesday, league sources said the sides are continuing discussions through this weekend in hopes of resolving a lingering financial dispute.

Arrington has long said that a $6.5 million bonus was left out of the eight-year, $68-million deal he signed in December 2003, and negotiations were ongoing through yesterday to reach a financial settlement before players take the field for training camp tomorrow.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01008.html

Re: idiot

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:34 am
by BATMAN
BATMAN wrote:
Warmother wrote:Since neither Arrington or the Redskin's management is making comments on this I hope it did end in a "win, win". I have a feeling though that it didn't.


WIN-WIN situations always end with a press conference. There was no press conference....and there was no comment. Therefore, this is no win win situation. Lavar has lost his rediculous claim because he was finally able to be told by somebody OTHER than his agent that a signed contract is a LEGAL document.

Apparently Lavar was under the impression that since he is a star and use to getting his way, just saying he didn't like his "signed" contract would immediately make everybody jump. Guess what, nobody was jumping and Lavar got mad. Tough.

Let him sue his idiot agents for change.


I called it yesterday. As I said....its not a win-win situation....mainly because apparently its not even settled.

This situation is dragging out and it just proves that Lavar is still...and remains...a me me me first player. Its all about Lavar. He needs to stop causing problems over money and instead...stop throwing huge parties where people get shot. He could save a lot of money and not need to hassle his team for more money to throw more frivolous parties.

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:29 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
Any updates on this matter? From what i've read recently, Lavar seems rather chipper at Training Camp, which can only be a good sign about his relationship with the team being restored.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:30 am
by Jake
Redskins, Arrington Reach Deal on Contract Dispute

By Nunyo Demasio
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 25, 2005; 10:48 AM

LaVar Arrington and the Washington Redskins have reached a settlement, ending a contract dispute that lasted 17 months, according to several sources involved in the negotiations.

The resolution follows several oft-postponed hearings for binding arbitration after Arrington filed a grievance in March 2004 contending that the Redskins omitted $6.5 million in virtual guarantees that he said were agreed upon in an eight-year, $68 million extension.

Under the settlement, Arrington's contract extension, signed in December 2003, won't be reworked. However, an amendment, called a contingency, has been inserted that gives Arrington an opportunity to void his deal -- making him a free agent -- as soon as 2007, or receive performance incentives worth $3.25 million, and possibly $1.6 million more.

The resolution is expected to become official by early tonight when pertinent documents are signed by all parties involved -- including Arrington -- at Redskins Park.

Arrington was unavailable for comment. Redskins spokesman Karl Swanson didn't immediately return voice mail or e-mail messages. Other key participants in the agreement declined comment until the formality of the signings.

To trigger the amendment, Arrington must make the Pro Bowl at least twice within the next four seasons, said sources with detailed knowledge of the agreement. If Arrington opts for free agency, the Redskins can force him to remain under contract by paying $3.25 million.

The $1.6 million figure will be almost impossible to achieve, since Arrington must participate in 98 percent of special-teams play, said two sources who have seen the agreement. (The performance clause was inserted to satisfy a salary-cap rule.)

Thus, both sides essentially split the difference over the disputed sum, assuming the contingency.

Entering the 2004 season, Arrington had made the Pro Bowl three consecutive times. Arrington wasn't named last season after suffering a bone bruise that forced him to miss 12 games. The linebacker, who underwent two knee surgeries for his injury, is expected to play in tonight's game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, taking the field for the first time since last season.

A resolution seemed far-fetched until July 27, when Arrington held a two-hour meeting with Coach Joe Gibbs, owner Daniel Snyder and NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw at Redskins Park. Upshaw helped organize the meeting and formulated the framework of the resolution, according to officials involved in the talks. The settlement talks were spurred after Arrington telephoned Gibbs about concerns about his Redskins future, sources said. Gibbs played a pivotal role by insisting on a resolution, and he later held a separate meeting with Arrington's representatives in his office at Redskins Park. (Team counsel Norm Chirite negotiated for the Redskins with Arrington's Memphis-based lawyer, Steve Brown.)

The disputed contract was negotiated by Arrington's agent, Carl Poston, and Eric Schaffer, Washington's salary-cap specialist. Arrington contended that $6.5 million in guarantees were missing from the 2006 season. Arrington accused the club of purposely removing the difference from the final draft he signed at Redskins Park under deadline pressure.

Arrington originally filed the grievance as an individual through Don Petersen, a Detroit-based attorney, and received assistance from Richard Berthelsen, the NFLPA's general counsel. The Redskins were aided by the NFL's management council.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00789.html

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:22 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
Thus, both sides essentially split the difference over the disputed sum, assuming the contingency.


Aha! Now THERE'S the reason why Lavar was so glum during his recent interview. He did not get his 6.5 million. :shock:

Anywho, it's good that this is over with. It seems like the Redskins covered their behinds with the contingency, in the even that Arrington IS washed up. Sounds like he can be let go as soon as 2007, even if it is by his own accord.

Arrington and 'Skins settle

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:05 pm
by patjam77

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:10 pm
by spudstr04
Aug/25 12:20
THE NEWS
The Redskins and linebacker LaVar Arrington have reached a settlement and ended a 17-month contract dispute. Several sources informed the Washington Post of the resolution, which is expected to be signed as early as Thursday night. Arrington filed a grievance in March 2004 contending that the Redskins omitted $6.5 million in virtual guarantees on an eight-year contract extension he signed in December 2003. Under the new resolution, Arrington has an opportunity to void his deal and become a free agent as soon as 2007 or receive performance incentives worth $3.25 million (and possibly $1.6 million more).

Arrington, Redskins settle contract dispute

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:17 pm
by ANT7088
Nearly a year and a half of acrimony between the Washington Redskins and star linebacker LaVar Arrington has ended with a settlement of the contract dispute in which the three-time Pro Bowl defender insisted that the team shorted him by $6.5 million in the eight-year extension he signed in December 2003.

The settlement, which culminated weeks of intense bargaining that was ratcheted up over the past few days, is expected to become official Thursday. The deal was essentially completed on Wednesday when Arrington's attorney, Steve Brown, was able to have some key sticking points removed from the settlement language.

Under terms of the settlement, Arrington is likely to see half the disputed $6.5 million. The deal allows Arrington to void the contract, which is scheduled to run through the 2011 season, as early as 2007 if he is named twice to the Pro Bowl. Making the Pro Bowl twice over the next four years would permit Arrington to then void the remainder of the deal.

If such a void is triggered, and Arrington opts to become a free agent, the Redskins can "buy back" the voided years with a $3.25 million bonus.

There is an additional $1.6 million in bonuses that Arrington can earn, but which will be difficult for him to reach, given playing time stipulations involved. As recently as a few days ago, it appeared a settlement might include a contract extension, but extra years were not included in the final document.

The dispute began shortly after Arrington signed an eight-year, $68 million extension late in the 2003 season. Arrington and agent Carl Poston subsequently charged that a bonus of $6.5 million for 2006, which they said had been agreed upon, was omitted from the final draft of the contract that the star linebacker signed. Poston acknowledged that he had not read the final contract.

Arrington, the second overall choice in the 2000 draft, filed a formal grievance through the NFL Players Association last year. After several arbitration hearings were postponed, Arrington withdrew the grievance last month, in part at the urging of NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw, and the two sides pursued a settlement.

It appeared a settlement was close last week, but Redskins owner Daniel Snyder backed away from some of the stipulations, and the agreement nearly fell apart.

Sources close to the talks told ESPN.com that, while Upshaw played a major role in the discussions, the deal was completed because of the relationship between Arrington and coach Joe Gibbs, and their mutual eagerness to reach an agreement before the start of the season. Arrington, who has not played in the preseason and has missed considerable practice time in camp, is to make his debut in Friday night's contest against the Pittsburgh Steelers.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/s ... id=2142691

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:33 pm
by BernieSki
Best news I have heard all week. The Redskins have done their part now it is time for Lavar to do his part.

"Making the Pro Bowl twice over the next four years would permit Arrington to then void the remainder of the deal". I expect nothing less.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:24 pm
by SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0
Arrington probably won't opt out because he will be at least 29 years old. (that's if he makes the pro bowl the next 2 years, which I expect him to do.)

Why would he get out of a secure contract with a lot of money, when there is probably not that much out there for a 29 year old.

His best pay day would be here. And even if he does opt out, all we would have to do is give him a 3.25 million dollar bonus (half as much as before) and we get those years back.

It's a win win all around.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:30 pm
by Redskin in Canada
Another issue out of the way! Go Lavar! We would love it if you EARN that bonus! :twisted:

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:34 pm
by Texas Hog
That's great news!

As much as I'd love to see it, I'd bet against him making the pro-bowl for the next two years. And that's a bet I wouldn't mind losing.

I believe the front office feels the same way and has already placed the same wager.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:10 pm
by 1niksder
SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0 wrote:Arrington probably won't opt out because he will be at least 29 years old. (that's if he makes the pro bowl the next 2 years, which I expect him to do.)

Why would he get out of a secure contract with a lot of money, when there is probably not that much out there for a 29 year old.

His best pay day would be here. And even if he does opt out, all we would have to do is give him a 3.25 million dollar bonus (half as much as before) and we get those years back.

It's a win win all around.


If he makes the next two Pro Bowls he'll be a 29 years old free agent LB that has been to the Pro Bowl 5 out of 6 years. He'll be able to get a lot more than $3.5M in bonus money alone in 2007

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:41 pm
by SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0
1niksder wrote:If he makes the next two Pro Bowls he'll be a 29 years old free agent LB that has been to the Pro Bowl 5 out of 6 years. He'll be able to get a lot more than $3.5M in bonus money alone in 2007


But will he be able to get 9.133 million in base salary that year. 11.783 the next and 11.400 the year after that. And 2 more years with numbers around that. For someoune who is almost 30 that's a little risky for another team to do.

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:02 am
by REDEEMEDSKIN
SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0 wrote:But will he be able to get 9.133 million in base salary that year. 11.783 the next and 11.400 the year after that. And 2 more years with numbers around that. For someoune who is almost 30 that's a little risky for another team to do.


Unless he signs with Drew Rosenhaus. #-o

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:28 am
by SkinsJock
This is good news all round. I really think this player wants to show it all on the field and that will be awesome with the rest of the talent we have and playing in Greg's system.

By the way kudos also to Jake for putting the post where it belongs and stting a good example for where to properly post rather than the "mistakes" some make here!


see you on the field Lavar! hit 'em hard, where it hurts! I just want you hitting and taking care of another puke QB on 9/19 in Pukesville, TX.

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:10 pm
by oneman56
Under the settlement, the Redskins have the option of giving Arrington a bonus if he makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next four years. If they decline to give him the bonus, Arrington can void the contract and become a free agent.

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:10 pm
by oneman56
sorry, here is the link for that.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/WAS/8774607

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:14 pm
by NikiH
I actually like that deal. If he can't produce he goes elsewhere. We are covering our behinds. And the bonus would be that last year Lavar didn't have much to do with the defense so we can spare him. So Lavar put up or shut up. And I'm glad they found a happy medium.

Oh and ROCK ON DIESEL!!!!!! You are awesome. :rock:

Oh and next time can you get my question in there?? :-(

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:15 pm
by 1niksder
SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0 wrote:
1niksder wrote:If he makes the next two Pro Bowls he'll be a 29 years old free agent LB that has been to the Pro Bowl 5 out of 6 years. He'll be able to get a lot more than $3.5M in bonus money alone in 2007


But will he be able to get 9.133 million in base salary that year. 11.783 the next and 11.400 the year after that. And 2 more years with numbers around that. For someoune who is almost 30 that's a little risky for another team to do.

That's a little risky for the Redskins to do which is why NO team would pay that amount. The 9.133 in '08, 11.783 in '09 & 11.400 in 2010 represent the cap space he will eat up not what he'll be paid. Lavar sign a contract with $26M in base salary, that's close to $3M per year.

When you are going on 30 but coming off 2 Pro Bowls in a row you'll get teams offering a lot more than $3M per year and a truckload of bonus money.

oneman56 wrote:Under the settlement, the Redskins have the option of giving Arrington a bonus if he makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next four years. If they decline to give him the bonus, Arrington can void the contract and become a free agent.


You got it backwards... Lavar can void the contract if he make 2 Pro Bowls, but the Skins can still keep him by paying him the $3.6

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:30 pm
by oneman56
oneman56 wrote:
Under the settlement, the Redskins have the option of giving Arrington a bonus if he makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next four years. If they decline to give him the bonus, Arrington can void the contract and become a free agent.


You got it backwards... Lavar can void the contract if he make 2 Pro Bowls, but the Skins can still keep him by paying him the $3.6

Well, that is straight from nfl.com and I have read that on two different sites now. So, maybe it is wrong but that is what is being reported....do you have a link

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:42 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
oneman56 wrote:oneman56 wrote:
Under the settlement, the Redskins have the option of giving Arrington a bonus if he makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next four years. If they decline to give him the bonus, Arrington can void the contract and become a free agent.


You got it backwards... Lavar can void the contract if he make 2 Pro Bowls, but the Skins can still keep him by paying him the $3.6

Well, that is straight from nfl.com and I have read that on two different sites now. So, maybe it is wrong but that is what is being reported....do you have a link


:hmm: I'm still trying to figure out what was said in this last post.

Anywho...I think this deal puts the ball in Lavar's court, so to speak. To use another cliché, "it's time to put up or shut up".

Here's why:

1) On the one hand, he now has to EARN the guaranteed money he thought the Redskins had swiped from under his nose during contract negotiations. His performance, or lack thereof, will either make him rich, or expose him as "washed up". No more resting on his laurels, the time to produce is now.

2) On the other hand, if Lavar reaches the incentives and finds himself at the crossroads where he has to choose to a) become a free agent for more money or b) take the bonus and retire a "Redskin", as he has generally proclaimed he will, we will find out where #56's loyalty lies.

IMO, this deal worked out well for the Redskins organization. The pressure to earn incentives is squrely on Lavar. The Skins are not obligated to keep him, but Lavar has to live up to the image of the guy who swore that he'd play for no other team.

Whatever happens...

HTTR

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:07 pm
by 1niksder
The Washington Post wrote:Under the settlement, Arrington's contract extension, signed in December 2003, won't be reworked. However, an amendment, called a contingency, has been inserted that gives Arrington an opportunity to void his deal -- making him a free agent -- as soon as 2007, or receive performance incentives worth $3.25 million, and possibly $1.6 million more.


To trigger the amendment, Arrington must make the Pro Bowl at least twice within the next four seasons, said sources with detailed knowledge of the agreement. If Arrington opts for free agency, the Redskins can force him to remain under contract by paying $3.25 million.


The link that was provided by Jake on page 8 of this thread

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:09 pm
by skinsfano28
i hate to be a pessimist, but what are the chances that he walks after he makes those pro bowls?