Cooley or Winslow?

[zz111]

I thought I was done with this topic but I guess not. Everyone keeps talking about Cooley like he is the best thing since Mark Bavaro. Guys he barely had 300 receiving yards last year as a rookie. Sure he had a decent amount of Td's but he is an average player at his position with good hands and a great heart which is very important. I dont feel the need to prove anything to anyone here because everything is an opinion right? Go put this poll on the other 31 teams web site and the results will be totally different. Cooley is solid player on OUR team so of course most would choose him. Whether you admit it or not, some (not all) of the opinions here are biased because this is your team. Quick test: Who would you rather have Cooley or Witten?

[Redskin in Canada]

I dont feel the need to prove anything to anyone here because everything is an opinion right?

Wrong.

If you want to be respected around here, you must be prepared to provide evidence to support your views.

But if from now on your views on players are nothing else but guesses based on sheer "image", "public relations", "attitude", and "potential", well, we are glad to know for the future.

[zz111]

I have proved nothing to you? Well that works both ways. You all have proved nothing to me as far as Cooley proving himself. Like I said earlier 350 receiving yards and 6 tds is hardly admirable. Granted the offense was horrible last year. He has proved he is a hard worker. As you can see I joined this site in September, but have hardly even posted anything until I saw this ridiculous post. No one wants to address the fact of the point I bring up about the other 31 teams in the league would choose KW2. Why? Because you all know I am right. I asked a Cowboys fan, Eagles fan, Saints fan, and Patriots fan this same question and it was a land slide. Everyone of them picked KW2.I explained to them to base their opinion before the motorcycle accident. Dont be biased, be real? I am still waiting for someone to take my test! Cooley or Jason Witten?

[WshSkins22]

You know what, I could care less what other fans think. Do they see what we see? They ate espn biased. We hada horrible offense last year, this guy didnt start the whole year and still ed our team in tds. And you say he didnt have yards? SO what he didnt have yards, what matter td's or yards, if I have 8 td's in one game but only 8 yards, does my team still get a W? yes they do. that is all that matters in my eyes, the Win, because without that you get no where.
How many yards and td's does Winslow have again in the NFL, oh yeah a big donut. I dont want to hear excuses about he was riding around or he got hurt, because that means he is an idiot or is injury prone, and that also get syou no where. And that was not the poll question either, I didnt ask who is more physically talented buddy, I said who would you want on your team. If you would want KW2, then you need to go look at some film buddy, that is if KW2 even has any NFL film, college is a whole different thing, in the NFL it takes more than talent to be good, it takes MUCH dedication and hard work and studying film.
Also, if you want some statistics, in Winslows last year in college, he had 1 touchdown and a average of 10.1 a catch. In eys last year of College, he had 4 td's and 16 yards per catch.

[Punu]

Like I said earlier 350 receiving yards and 6 tds is hardly admirable

-Are you forgetting he is a Tight End/FB?
-He also blocks
-A rookie (but nevermind that, 350 yards and 6 Td's is admirable)
-Brunell was throwing the ball

These are the simple things that you need to comprehend...
Now imagine him in his second year, with Ramsey throwing to him and Gibbs in his second year...

[EasyMoney]

The reason people have a problem with this poll is because it doesn't make sense. That's like asking if we'd rather have a player taken 6th overall or 67th overall. Given the current situation and seeing how this isn't two years ago... it's understandable that everyone would rather take ey.

[zz111]

The reason I brought up other fans was to get an outside unbiased opinion. All of these guys are very rational and will tell the truth. The cowboys fan (my brother) even admitted he would rather have Sean Taylor than Roy Williams. Of course that was before the recent problems. I compare Cooley's results to a tight end because that is what he shows up as on the Pro Bowl ballet. His numbers are compared to other TE's in the league. According to his stats he has been a reliable red zone target by scoring a good amount of Td's. Yall are talking like he is an elite tight end in this league. You are an elite tight end when you block, score, and gain yards. (see Tony Gonzales, Antonio Gates) The fact is that I can name at least 10 tight ends that I would rather have than Cooley. Still waiting for someone to answer my question. Cooley or Witten?

[Redskin in Canada]

The reason I brought up other fans was to get an outside unbiased opinion. All of these guys are very rational and will tell the truth. The cowboys fan (my brother) even admitted he would rather have Sean Taylor than Roy Williams. Of course that was before the recent problems.

And now he prefers Winslow rather than ey???

It runs in the family, I guess...

[SkinsJock]

That's easy! I would take ey before Winslow (or Shlockey), only because they came from the wrong school. My preference has nothing to do with the numbers on the field or in a fantasy league - I am indicating I would prefer a team player over a NFL and fantasy league star.

Who cares about Witten? He has not indicated how he could help my team better than ey does.

I voted for Winslow because of his talent - that still does not change my thinking about who is playing on the Skins team

[zz111]

I am confused. I have stated that I would choose Winslow over Cooley the entire time. I also never said that my brother would choose Cooley either. So what are you talking about. The joke is on you brother. Still no one to answer my question. Cooley or Witten?

[Punu]

how about ey or ye?
orrrrr
ie? ummmm or that guy ee?
I say ey.

[Redskin in Canada]

I am confused.

No kidding!

[EasyMoney]

The reason I brought up other fans was to get an outside unbiased opinion. All of these guys are very rational and will tell the truth. The cowboys fan (my brother) even admitted he would rather have Sean Taylor than Roy Williams. Of course that was before the recent problems. I compare ey's results to a tight end because that is what he shows up as on the Pro Bowl ballet. His numbers are compared to other TE's in the league. According to his stats he has been a reliable red zone target by scoring a good amount of Td's. Yall are talking like he is an elite tight end in this league. You are an elite tight end when you block, score, and gain yards. (see Tony Gonzales, Antonio Gates) The fact is that I can name at least 10 tight ends that I would rather have than ey. Still waiting for someone to answer my question. ey or Witten?

You fail to even consider that ey only started 8 games last year and I'd still go with ey regardless. This is a run oriented team, he blocks more than he runs routes. Will ey ever go to the probowl? Maybe, maybe not but he does his job.

Witten = Cowboys therefore:

[zz111]

Two things:

1) Redskin in Canada how old are you?

2) I refuse to judge other Canadians by you ignorance and immaturity. (still wondering what you meant)

[redskincity]

Two things:

1) Redskin in Canada how old are you?

2) I refuse to judge other Canadians by you ignorance and immaturity. (still wondering what you meant)

Toooo Funny!!

[Redskin in Canada]

Two things:

1) Redskin in Canada how old are you?

2) I refuse to judge other Canadians by you ignorance and immaturity. (still wondering what you meant)

1. Old enough to realise that there is no point in reasoning and arguing with you. You do not come here with an aim to discuss with an open mind. You are here to "win" a prejudged position no matter what.

2. If I had to "refuse" to judge other Americans by your behaviour in this thread, all Americans would be laughing their heads off. They probably are already.

I stopped having an interest to have a serious discussion when you repeatedly and stubbornly stuck to the same statements. You told us you were tired! You told us goodbye several times above! But you are still here. No real arguments and no answers to many posts showing clearly the lack of evidence in support of your views.

Man, this poll was so clear and obvious prior and after the "accident" based on the facts that I thought it would die pretty soon.

But here you are. Still.

Reminding us that you are a great Redskin fan. Still.

No stats, no evidence, just an unbiased poll among three buddies nearly YOUR age. Still.

You are determined. I will give you that. Only that.

By the way, it may not be a good idea to insult anybody in this forum, particularly without having understood what I meant as per your own admission.

By the way, I do not think I have welcomed you to the Board. Excuse my manners. Welcome aboard!

[zz111]

The main point that I am trying to argue is the fact that your opinion along with several others here are biased yet you wont admit that. I brought in other opinions to show how other fans feel (not just redskin fans). No one is listening to that arguement though. It is hard to argue against a variety of other fans with no biased intent.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

The main point that I am trying to argue is the fact that your opinion along with several others here are biased yet you wont admit that. I brought in other opinions to show how other fans feel (not just redskin fans). No one is listening to that arguement though. It is hard to argue against a variety of other fans with no biased intent.

zzlll, take it easy man. It's apparent that not everyone who is voting is actually reading the entire thread. The past, like, 6 pages have been strictly ey's 2005 stats vs. K2's 2005 games stats from the 2 games he played, which, make this a no contest.

Don't get too worked up over issues resulting from what is, ultimately, a failure to communicate properly and/or listen (or read).

[WshSkins22]

^^, and he sounds like a broken record

[washington53]

I think our new board members should be morea attentive and read most of the posts and threads to get a hang of whats goin on here. Signing up friends to argue for one thread is just stupid.

Anyways ZZ111 welcome to the board, as you have managed to get some heads turn around your way. I think REDEEMED explained the rest above.

[Deadskins]

The main point that I am trying to argue is the fact that your opinion along with several others here are biased yet you wont admit that. I brought in other opinions to show how other fans feel (not just redskin fans). No one is listening to that arguement though. It is hard to argue against a variety of other fans with no biased intent.

Their opinions aren't biased by the fact that they are Redskins fans. Their opinions are INFORMED because they are Redskins fans. Big difference. People you ask on other boards are only going by the draft status of each player and the hype (just like you are doing). The fact is that ey had better college numbers, and he has better NFL numbers than KW2. When Joe Montana came into the NFL, he was a low round draft pick. Many other QBs were rated higher than he was by NFL scouts and GMs. Does that mean that Joe was worse than those players? No one thought he was HOF meterial when he first came into the league, but he went on to have a fine career (some say the best ever). So your whole argument holds no water. Now do you see?

[Punu]

Their oppinions are INFORMED because they are Redskins fans

well put.

[SkinsLaVar]

good post....dam...10 pages on this sheez

[Deadskins]

I guess that answered zz111's question. He's speachless.

[Chris Luva Luva]

He doesn't respond to intelligent posts it seems.

If he does he'll just say you're biased, or bring up other fans.

Id like for him to find where any of us called him an "elite" TE.