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CanesSkins26 wrote:You really think that there is nothing unusual in only drafting 6 offensive linemen in 10 drafts? Of those six, two (Reggie Colman and Molinaro) were taken in the sixth round, two (Dockery and Rinehart) in the third, one in the fifth (Wilson), and one in the seventh (Letofu). Not a single offensive lineman has been drafted in either the first or second round since Samuels was taken in the first in 2000. It's no wonder that our offensive line is worn down and ineffective.

This point has been beat to death both on the boards, and by LaCanfora in the press.

However, instead of the Redskins drafting offensive linemen, they've been acquiring starters through trade (Kendall and Thomas), and free agency (Rabach). It's disingenious to post that by not acquiring offensive linemen in the draft, that the Skins haven't addressed the offensive line at all.

Thomas wasn't a trade he was an RFA. Point still stands though because we've spent draft picks on linemen... just in the form of RFA's like Thomas, and traded for Kendall. (4th rounder.)

Rabach and Dockery were strictly cash though IIRC. We've addressed the line and I think it's strong. We'll surely bring some free agents to camp and next season we'll be looking in FA and the draft for young linemen.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Thomas wasn't a trade he was an RFA.

Yeah, you're right (I forgot). However, that just shows the Skins acquired O-line talent through a variety of methods, just not the draft.

Our coaches/FO must feel pretty good about the condition of our O-Line being that we didn't draft any O-lineman. I hope we bring in some Undrafted gems that Buges can whip into shape to compete for a roster spot. Who knows, maybe Rinehart and some others have shown that they can step up and handle playing in the NFL.

On another note, I think drafting 2 OLB's will hopefully allow H.B. Blades to move back inside to take over for when Fletcher chooses to hang up the cleats (and I hope that isn't for a couple of years). I am conflicted about the draft and who we drafted. I really like that we drafted Orakpo, but I am not sold on the other picks. I am kind of liking that we targeted defense as I see our identity as being a defensive monster this year. I think our coaches believe that if we have a couple of young studs step up on offense, we can be a good team this year.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:(1) I agree. DE is a great pick. Orakpo is a great pick. But why not wait for the entire Selection clock to run down?....maybe somebody wants him a lot more and is willing to give you a lot to get him...multiple picks and a slight move down on the draft board. My only point is: You lose NOTHING by waiting out your time. Look at Belichek...patience and being willing to move down to collect picks has only produced the most successful franchise in the last 10 years.

Did you just claim that the Patriots became great by using up all of their clock on draft day? I think that's reading a bit too much into it. This instance of Snyder behavior doesn't tell us anything about his character, IMO.

I mean, the Skins had a jersey already made up for him, even though no one predicted that Orakpo would fall this far. It's pretty clear he was our "dream choice," so there's no fault in taking him that quickly.

No one wanted to trade up, or at least not badly. Did you notice how little movement there was in the placement of first round picks? You're asking "what's the harm in waiting?" I'm asking "what's the harm in not waiting?" The answer to both questions is: NOTHING.

No...I'm not suggesting that using all of the draft clock made the Patriots great. I am suggesting that it is a sign of how impatient our franchise is in making decisions. And if you're really naive enough to think that the Redskins really wanted Orakpo and your evidence is a jersey with his name on it...your nuts. We're the Redskins and appearance is always Job #1...our team motto is "Look good losing".

Oh, and Cerrato admitted today that he made an offer for the Browns pick. Looks like Orakpo was the Back-up plan...I can't believe they almost wasted a jersey with his name on it! Well, I'd be willing to bet someone has a Redskins - Sanchez jersey stored in the trunk of their car right now.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... -left-off/

Offensive Line is not the place to bring in bums off the street and plug in. Especially at tackle. The way the game is shifting, the most important positions are OT, DE, CB, S, QB, and WR because nobody runs anymore. You have to be good at those positions. You don't go into a season with any of them being unsure.

The funny thing is that most teams these days are going with the tweeners for DE. They like the speed. I heard on the draft channel I think that more offenses will go back to the throw back era and run at them. Good thing we still play smash mouth and didn't change. I think we got a good guy though that can play both ways. It took Dexter a while but he became a decent run stop guy.

brad7686 wrote:Offensive Line is not the place to bring in bums off the street and plug in. Especially at tackle. The way the game is shifting, the most important positions are OT, DE, CB, S, QB, and WR because nobody runs anymore. You have to be good at those positions. You don't go into a season with any of them being unsure.

Yeah, Heyer was an undrafted rookie and he's been a disaster. Come on, Brad, you're smarter than that.

SkinsFreak wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Offensive Line is not the place to bring in bums off the street and plug in. Especially at tackle. The way the game is shifting, the most important positions are OT, DE, CB, S, QB, and WR because nobody runs anymore. You have to be good at those positions. You don't go into a season with any of them being unsure.

Yeah, Heyer was an undrafted rookie and he's been a disaster. Come on, Brad, you're smarter than that.

He's not a disaster but he isn't anywhere close to being starting caliber. Neither is Jansen at this point in his career. They both proved that last season.

SkinsFreak wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Offensive Line is not the place to bring in bums off the street and plug in. Especially at tackle. The way the game is shifting, the most important positions are OT, DE, CB, S, QB, and WR because nobody runs anymore. You have to be good at those positions. You don't go into a season with any of them being unsure.

Yeah, Heyer was an undrafted rookie and he's been a disaster. Come on, Brad, you're smarter than that.

No, I'm not smarter than that. Heyer is only in the position he is in because of Vinny's ego.

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:You really think that there is nothing unusual in only drafting 6 offensive linemen in 10 drafts? Of those six, two (Reggie Colman and Molinaro) were taken in the sixth round, two (Dockery and Rinehart) in the third, one in the fifth (Wilson), and one in the seventh (Letofu). Not a single offensive lineman has been drafted in either the first or second round since Samuels was taken in the first in 2000. It's no wonder that our offensive line is worn down and ineffective.

This point has been beat to death both on the boards, and by LaCanfora in the press.

However, instead of the Redskins drafting offensive linemen, they've been acquiring starters through trade (Kendall and Thomas), and free agency (Rabach). It's disingenious to post that by not acquiring offensive linemen in the draft, that the Skins haven't addressed the offensive line at all.

The strategy that you mention is what has us in the position that we are in now...an old line with no young players ready to step in. You mentioned the trade for Kendall. The reason we had to trade two picks for Kendall was because we didn't have anybody on the team that could start for us after Dockery left. The trade itself wasn't bad, but it was ridiculous that we were even in a position to have to make that trade. Same with this year. Kendall needed to be replaced but we didn't have anybody on the roster, despite spending a third rounder on Rinhart, to replace him so we had to go out and sign Dockery.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:You really think that there is nothing unusual in only drafting 6 offensive linemen in 10 drafts? Of those six, two (Reggie Colman and Molinaro) were taken in the sixth round, two (Dockery and Rinehart) in the third, one in the fifth (Wilson), and one in the seventh (Letofu). Not a single offensive lineman has been drafted in either the first or second round since Samuels was taken in the first in 2000. It's no wonder that our offensive line is worn down and ineffective.

This point has been beat to death both on the boards, and by LaCanfora in the press.

However, instead of the Redskins drafting offensive linemen, they've been acquiring starters through trade (Kendall and Thomas), and free agency (Rabach). It's disingenious to post that by not acquiring offensive linemen in the draft, that the Skins haven't addressed the offensive line at all.

The strategy that you mention is what has us in the position that we are in now...an old line with no young players ready to step in. You mentioned the trade for Kendall. The reason we had to trade two picks for Kendall was because we didn't have anybody on the team that could start for us after Dockery left. The trade itself wasn't bad, but it was ridiculous that we were even in a position to have to make that trade. Same with this year. Kendall needed to be replaced but we didn't have anybody on the roster, despite spending a third rounder on Rinhart, to replace him so we had to go out and sign Dockery.

Yeah Canes, I understand what you are saying. You want young people more than likely through the draft, to take a spot if we are missing someone alla Dock. I agree. You have to have people waiting in the wings. On the other hand Pulp brought up a good point.... Look at our center. FA. What scares me and I am knocking on wood is what happens if he goes down? We really do not have a real back up at center and we should have some young guy there at least waiting his turn.

One thought crossed my mind ... if we had suceeded in signing Cutler, would that have altered the #13 pick, ie would we have drafted Oher?

In short, would the FO have taken steps to shore up the OL to protect what would effectively have been our franchise QB?

Manchester_Redskin wrote:One thought crossed my mind ... if we had suceeded in signing Cutler, would that have altered the #13 pick, ie would we have drafted Oher?

In short, would the FO have taken steps to shore up the OL to protect what would effectively have been our franchise QB?

If we had traded for Cutler... there wouldn't have been a #13 pick... at least, not in Washington.

Manchester_Redskin wrote:One thought crossed my mind ... if we had suceeded in signing Cutler, would that have altered the #13 pick, ie would we have drafted Oher?

In short, would the FO have taken steps to shore up the OL to protect what would effectively have been our franchise QB?

I'm not sure I understand - if we had managed to get Cutler we would not have had a first round pick this year OR next!

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Three of our 5 starters and two of our backups were Redskin draft picks. What's unusual about that?

You really think that there is nothing unusual in only drafting 6 offensive linemen in 10 drafts? Of those six, two (Reggie Colman and Molinaro) were taken in the sixth round, two (Dockery and Rinehart) in the third, one in the fifth (Wilson), and one in the seventh (Letofu). Not a single offensive lineman has been drafted in either the first or second round since Samuels was taken in the first in 2000. It's no wonder that our offensive line is worn down and ineffective.

I think it's one data point and whether or not we have drafted sufficient O-linemen doesn't establish that we passed on anyone in THIS draft in the SPOT we selected we should have taken. Again, you don't build a winning team by passing on talent and taking need you end up cutting. This doesn't refute your facts, it questions your conclusions.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Three of our 5 starters and two of our backups were Redskin draft picks. What's unusual about that?

You really think that there is nothing unusual in only drafting 6 offensive linemen in 10 drafts? Of those six, two (Reggie Colman and Molinaro) were taken in the sixth round, two (Dockery and Rinehart) in the third, one in the fifth (Wilson), and one in the seventh (Letofu). Not a single offensive lineman has been drafted in either the first or second round since Samuels was taken in the first in 2000. It's no wonder that our offensive line is worn down and ineffective.

I think it's one data point and whether or not we have drafted sufficient O-linemen doesn't establish that we passed on anyone in THIS draft in the SPOT we selected we should have taken. Again, you don't build a winning team by passing on talent and taking need you end up cutting. This doesn't refute your facts, it questions your conclusions.

How could anyone question his conclusions?

brad7686 wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Offensive Line is not the place to bring in bums off the street and plug in. Especially at tackle. The way the game is shifting, the most important positions are OT, DE, CB, S, QB, and WR because nobody runs anymore. You have to be good at those positions. You don't go into a season with any of them being unsure.

Yeah, Heyer was an undrafted rookie and he's been a disaster. Come on, Brad, you're smarter than that.

No, I'm not smarter than that. Heyer is only in the position he is in because of Vinny's ego.

What???