Teams need to carry 3 TE's. I see Eddie Williams as the potential replacement for Todd Yoder.
Todd Yoder was an undrafted player and for his career, has 44 catches for 451 yards and five TDs. That isn't very impressive for a player entering his 10th season. While Yoder has been serviceable, Williams is a superior athlete and is an upgrade. I like the pick.
True. Teams need to carry three tight ends. However, they don't need to carry three tight ends whose primary skill is pass catching. ey, Davis, and Williams are all better pass catchers than blockers. If we wanted another tight end we should've drafted one that is a good blocker.
Yoder isn't known as a blocking TE either, just take a gander at his player bio. But in todays NFL, there is more of a premium placed on "pass-catching" TE's. But Williams could be coached up as a blocker, and since TE's line up next to the RT, they can and will be used for o-line help.
CanesSkins26 wrote:Not a single offensive lineman drafted. Pathetic.
Why? Who should we have picked when?
Why? Because our offensive line is the weak link on this team and we have done almost nothing to address it. Since 2001 we have only draft six offensive linemen and only one, Dockery, has amount to anything. Successful teams routinely draft offensive linemen, we don't. As for who I would've taken, for example, I would've taken a flier on Jaime Thomas from Maryland instead of Eddie Williams in the 7th. We have an aging oline yet with our last 33 draft picks we have only drafted 2 offensive linemen. Tell me how that makes any sense whatsoever.
CanesSkins26 wrote:Not a single offensive lineman drafted. Pathetic.
Not a single offensive lineman worth drafting according to the team.
Technically, not a single o-lineman available was the best choice at the positions we chose. Realistically, Zorn is going to have to get more out of the O with the guys we have and we're going to need a suffocating D. Given we were #4 last year and improved the D and Zorn is an O guy who knows what we have, it may not be a bad theory. We did at least improve the O line some with Dock and clearly it's going to be an area of need in the future. But just because you draft for need doesn't mean you've solved anything if you don't get the right guys.
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More on Eddie Williams, the tight end the Redskins took out of Idaho. He'd fallen off some boards as a medical risk because he tore his anterior cruciate ligament in the next-to-last game of Idaho's season and had surgery. He is seen as someone who has talent but will need some time to get healthy.
With regard to the WR pick, the teams actually needs depth at WR. After Moss, Thomas, ARE, Kelly and Thrash... who else is there? And is Thrash going to be on the roster after this season? I doubt it. Draft and develop his replacement. Marko Mitchell will be battling for the 5th WR spot anyway.
Marko Mitchell, WR
Height: 6'4" Weight: 218 The Mesa (Ariz.) Community College transfer has developed into one of the country's most feared big-play threats. He's had similar production in his first two years, leading the Wolfpack in receptions (53 in 2007, 61 in 2008), receiving yards (1,129, 1,141) and receiving touchdowns (eight, ten). He ranked second in the nation averaging 21.3 yards per catch as a junior, but finally made first team All-WAC this season. Those outstanding numbers are boosted by Nevada's unique "pistol" offense, but his rare combination of height and straight-line speed makes him a difficult matchup for any cornerback. Had an arm span of 34 1/2 inches and a hand span of 10 1/4 inches at the combine.
Rare height and arm length for the position. Good straight-line speed to challenge deep. Can track the ball over either shoulder and shows good body control and field awareness to keep his feet in bounds. Soft hands to pluck the ball out of the air and can make the reception outside of his frame. Alert receiver who will work his way back when the quarterback is under pressure. Good leaping ability. Shows a bit of vision and elusiveness as a runner after the catch and has the long strides to pull away from smaller defenders. Uses his size and length to effectively run block against small corners.
SkinsFreak wrote:Ah yes, I see the player personnel geniuses are out in full force at THN.
Teams need to carry 3 TE's. I see Eddie Williams as the potential replacement for Todd Yoder.
Todd Yoder was an undrafted player and for his career, has 44 catches for 451 yards and five TDs. That isn't very impressive for a player entering his 10th season. While Yoder has been serviceable, Williams is a superior athlete and is an upgrade. I like the pick.
And for some of you hacking on Cerrato, I'm pretty confident the Skins management is familiar with their roster and know where they have depth. This late in the draft, teams rely heavily on their boards and the hard work done by their scouts. For the Redskins, the scouting department is headed up by Scott Campbell.
Isn't Todd Yoder still under contract though? So now we have four tight ends, and Williams isn't even healthy as he suffered a tore acl late in the season.
CanesSkins26 wrote:Not a single offensive lineman drafted. Pathetic.
Why? Who should we have picked when?
Why? Because our offensive line is the weak link on this team and we have done almost nothing to address it. Since 2001 we have only draft six offensive linemen and only one, Dockery, has amount to anything. Successful teams routinely draft offensive linemen, we don't. As for who I would've taken, for example, I would've taken a flier on Jaime Thomas from Maryland instead of Eddie Williams in the 7th. We have an aging oline yet with our last 33 draft picks we have only drafted 2 offensive linemen. Tell me how that makes any sense whatsoever.
So the only specific you have is we should have drafted an o-lineman in the SEVENTH round?
Three of our 5 starters and two of our backups were Redskin draft picks. What's unusual about that?
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CanesSkins26 wrote:Not a single offensive lineman drafted. Pathetic.
Why? Who should we have picked when?
Why? Because our offensive line is the weak link on this team and we have done almost nothing to address it. Since 2001 we have only draft six offensive linemen and only one, Dockery, has amount to anything. Successful teams routinely draft offensive linemen, we don't. As for who I would've taken, for example, I would've taken a flier on Jaime Thomas from Maryland instead of Eddie Williams in the 7th. We have an aging oline yet with our last 33 draft picks we have only drafted 2 offensive linemen. Tell me how that makes any sense whatsoever.
So the only specific you have is we should have drafted an o-lineman in the SEVENTH round?
Three of our 5 starters and two of our backups were Redskin draft picks. What's unusual about that?
You really think that there is nothing unusual in only drafting 6 offensive linemen in 10 drafts? Of those six, two (Reggie Colman and Molinaro) were taken in the sixth round, two (Dockery and Rinehart) in the third, one in the fifth (Wilson), and one in the seventh (Letofu). Not a single offensive lineman has been drafted in either the first or second round since Samuels was taken in the first in 2000. It's no wonder that our offensive line is worn down and ineffective.
I'm thinking we did ok. Not great but not bad either. It is a shame when you have to look at the draft and say we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot and be happy about it. Lets be real though. It could have been real bad. At least we didn't mortgage the future. At least we didn't trade down from 3rd to get some other knuckle head. I think for 2 years in a row the FO which doesn't impress me did ok with their decisions in the draft. This is an improvement. Our rooks last year might be the real deal this year which could help our aging O line and JC or who ever. Things might fall into place. I for one like being optimistic when I look at the next year. I could be doom and gloom but then whats the point in being a fan? Lets give it a chance and see what happens before we make a decisions as a fan. It could have been worse. When dealing with hardly nothing and you get something its not all bad. This draft was weak.
CanesSkins26 wrote:Not a single offensive lineman drafted. Pathetic.
Not a single offensive lineman worth drafting according to the team.
Apparently the Skins know something that the rest of the NFL doesn't know because 35 offensive linemen have been drafted thus far.
Dude, I tell ya...
Do you not think Zorn, Smith, Buges and the rest of the team are familiar with their roster and know what depth at what positions they have and/or need? But let me guess, you are far more knowledgeable about their players... right?
SkinsFreak wrote:Do you not think Zorn, Smith, Buges and the rest of the team are familiar with their roster and know what depth at what positions they have and/or need? But let me guess, you are far more knowledgeable about their players... right?
It's not just him, EVERYONE knows more about football than the Redskins! They're awful!
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CanesSkins26 wrote:Not a single offensive lineman drafted. Pathetic.
Not a single offensive lineman worth drafting according to the team.
Apparently the Skins know something that the rest of the NFL doesn't know because 35 offensive linemen have been drafted thus far.
Dude, I tell ya...
Do you not think Zorn, Smith, Buges and the rest of the team are familiar with their roster and know what depth at what positions they have and/or need? But let me guess, you are far more knowledgeable about their players... right?
I think that they do. On the other hand, I think that Snyder and Vinny are clueless. They have clearly both been so successful since they got here.
SkinsFreak wrote:Ah yes, I see the player personnel geniuses are out in full force at THN.
Teams need to carry 3 TE's. I see Eddie Williams as the potential replacement for Todd Yoder.
Todd Yoder was an undrafted player and for his career, has 44 catches for 451 yards and five TDs. That isn't very impressive for a player entering his 10th season. While Yoder has been serviceable, Williams is a superior athlete and is an upgrade. I like the pick.
And for some of you hacking on Cerrato, I'm pretty confident the Skins management is familiar with their roster and know where they have depth. This late in the draft, teams rely heavily on their boards and the hard work done by their scouts. For the Redskins, the scouting department is headed up by Scott Campbell.
Isn't Todd Yoder still under contract though? So now we have four tight ends, and Williams isn't even healthy as he suffered a tore acl late in the season.
Yoder signed a 3 year contract prior to the 2007 season for near the vet minimum. So he's in the last year of that contract and since his earns near the vet minimum, if he's cut prior to this season, it's not a major loss.
SkinsFreak wrote:Ah yes, I see the player personnel geniuses are out in full force at THN.
Teams need to carry 3 TE's. I see Eddie Williams as the potential replacement for Todd Yoder.
Todd Yoder was an undrafted player and for his career, has 44 catches for 451 yards and five TDs. That isn't very impressive for a player entering his 10th season. While Yoder has been serviceable, Williams is a superior athlete and is an upgrade. I like the pick.
And for some of you hacking on Cerrato, I'm pretty confident the Skins management is familiar with their roster and know where they have depth. This late in the draft, teams rely heavily on their boards and the hard work done by their scouts. For the Redskins, the scouting department is headed up by Scott Campbell.
Isn't Todd Yoder still under contract though? So now we have four tight ends, and Williams isn't even healthy as he suffered a tore acl late in the season.
Yoder signed a 3 year contract prior to the 2007 season for near the vet minimum. So he's in the last year of that contract and since his earns near the vet minimum, if he's cut prior to this season, it's not a major loss.
I doubt he gets cut. Williams tore his acl late in the season so he isn't likely to be healthy to start the season.
Since we're here sitting in front of a computer and I highly doubt anyone from the Redskins called any of us on a consulting basis, I'm going to go with the notion that arm char GMs don't usurp the HC, FO, and owner.
I trust that they have something in mind. If the owner. FO, and team bother people that much, why put yourself through the misery. I'm sure the Steelers, Patriots or any other team on the established upswing will take another whiny bandwagoner.
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CanesSkins26 wrote: On the other hand, I think that Snyder and Vinny are clueless. They have clearly both been so successful since they got here.
Right... since they signed a handful of players over the years that didn't produce a championship, that proves they're clueless. They're clueless while you've got this game all figured out. Got it.
I like the way the team is looking. I still don't know if we have a shot at making the playoffs unless Jason Campbell seriously improves... but the talent around him is MUCH better than last season by health and experience alone.
With Dockery on the team and a healthy line Campbell has time to make a decision and Portis should be more effective to set up the passing game too.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:I wasn't completely happy with the lack of OLineman, either, but as I said, I'm going to see how things pan out.
Well, I agree. I think we hoped for a RT in the 1st round if possible, but since the top three were gone and Rak was available, it just didn't work out that way.
The team already has o-line depth. I'm not sure a 5th or 7th round draft pick would be better than some of the younger o-line depth guys we already have. There will still be undrafted players brought in however. Heyer was one of those undrafted guys and he's been a pleasant surprise. I actually expect Heyer to be better this coming season.
It's been discussed that Jansen might not have been 100% recovered last year as well. If this is the case, then this might be a more productive year for him. His heart was in to it, but was his body?
I don't know if I believe it, but it's certainly plausible. It would explain why there was no RT drafted this year.
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The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
ey, Davis, and Williams are all better pass catchers than blockers. If we wanted another tight end we should've drafted one that is a good blocker.
Our rooks last year might be the real deal this year which could help our aging O line and JC or who ever. Things might fall into place. I for one like being optimistic when I look at the next year. I could be doom and gloom but then whats the point in being a fan? Lets give it a chance and see what happens before we make a decisions as a fan. It could have been worse. When dealing with hardly nothing and you get something its not all bad. This draft was weak.
lets see Wr,Te,Cb except for our number 13th pick looks like a normal Danny and Vinny draft to me.
