Monday Nite Football Gameday Thread

[chiefhog44]

I was pissed. We let a win get away. We had all the opportunity to close out the game, but here are the facts. We are still 2-1. We are still an 8-8 team. It's how we respond this week that will deturmine how far we get this year. This is a big game for the franchise this weekend. Are we making strides? Anyone want to go?

[grampi]

PAPDOG67

There's a solution for slick fields...it's called longer cleets....

Um, you should not have to change to longer cleats on field turf.

What difference does it make what type of surface the field is, if you're slipping, you need longer cleets...

[chiefhog44]

PAPDOG67

There's a solution for slick fields...it's called longer cleets....

Um, you should not have to change to longer cleats on field turf.

What difference does it make what type of surface the field is, if you're slipping, you need longer cleets...

Not for field turf

[PAPDOG67]

PAPDOG67

There's a solution for slick fields...it's called longer cleets....

Um, you should not have to change to longer cleats on field turf.

What difference does it make what type of surface the field is, if you're slipping, you need longer cleets...

If you've ever played on field turf you would know that longer cleats would not help.

[fabe]

5) a team with a loyal fan base that is fed up with ridicule and defeat.

Yeah, who would've thought that the Bills, Lions, and even the Raiders would improve their game before us.

[tribeofjudah]

Could the field goal team practice kicking FGs jothis week. Not just the kicker but the hole frakin team! Do we have to have a blocked or missed FG EVERY week!

Week 1 was on Gano
Week 2 was on the blockers
Week 3 was on the holder

But every kick the rushers 11pm the left side are getting ridiculously close to blocking the kick.

How about Sellers sealing the edge...? The rush came around him way too fast.

[absinthe1023]

This was over the top. Over the freaking top. Totally unacceptable Totally.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you have a castoff turnover machine at QB. I don't care how many scrappy role players, feel good stories, and dominant defenders you have, to win in the modern NFL you need a franchise-level QB.

This loss doesn't fall only on the shoulders of Grossman. I agree with you that a team needs a franchise QB to win the big one (excluding the exceptions), but since when has anybody been realistically talking about the 2011 Redskins competing for the Super Bowl. Even with Rex's limitations which are well documented, he had a talented starved, over achieving, young team two points from being 3-0. So, why you are trying to rub your franchise QB stuff in our faces, I don't know. Nobody on this board doesn't want a franchise QB and our coach surely wants one, but he wants the right one. He chose to get Kerrigan whose transaction also produced Jenkins who will be key pieces for years to come. Are you saying that you rather have Gabbert than Kerrigan and Jenkins? This a long range plan of getting the pieces together.

The Redskins are not talent-starved in a general sense. Across the board, they have a nice mix of young talent and veteran leaders.
They are talent-starved in a very specific sense at QB.
Since you asked, I actually agreed with this year's draft.
I did not advocate drafting Gabbert over Kerrigan. Please do not attempt to construct a straw man.

[grampi]

PAPDOG67

There's a solution for slick fields...it's called longer cleets....

Um, you should not have to change to longer cleats on field turf.

What difference does it make what type of surface the field is, if you're slipping, you need longer cleets...

If you've ever played on field turf you would know that longer cleats would not help.

Then maybe they should've switched to a different type...the ones that look more like nails...those will grip in anything....

[absinthe1023]

True - A decoordinator is supposed to mix his blitzes up and disguise them. On 3 and 21, it doesn't seem like the right call to call out an all our blitz; however, Dallas has tendencies and their tendency is to throw the ball up to a spot in that situation.

What we don't know is the conversation between Haz and D. Hall. Dez Bryant in the game - it is coming to him at that spot. Should D. Hall have been at that spot? What no one has said so far is how Dez Bryant got behind Hall who should have had a good sized cushion (they always have a good sized cushion anyway). Did Dez give a double move? Was Hall peeking in the backfield?

Dez was Hall's man. Hall did not make the play. If Hall is the player that he claims to be then at the very least, he should have been close enough to make a play on the ball - he was beaten on a play that he knew was coming.

D Coordinators call the play - whether we agree with the play or not, the players did not execute. No one beat their block. Maybe they got held and it was not called, but no one outright beat their block. Hall did not make the play. Whose fault it is it?

Players play the game - the call, though not what a lot of D coordinators would call was not something that had zero chance to work or 1 out of 10 chances to work. D. Hall covers his man on that play - most likely - game over period!

Conclusion - D. Hall is not the guy he claims to be (We knew that)

Should Haz have placed his confidence in his player? That is what a player lives for for his coach to trust his ability. Haz is clearly a player's coach. In the long run, that produces good results and we have seen an low talent D play above its ability.

Bottomline - NO ONE PLAY COST US THE GAME! Several plays showed that we have work to to do and some holes to fill (Didn't we know this going into the season?) It would be nice to be 3-0, but the Cards game showed us limitations as well. This team is a work in progress with most of us knowing that it needs another off season to place us among the elite teams.

The only sentence of your post I would like to know more about is the last one. In your opinion, what can the Redskins do next offseason as a 6-10 or 8-8 team (with no better than a top 14-15 draft pick) to be counted "among the elite teams"?

[cvillehog]

I was pissed. We let a win get away. We had all the opportunity to close out the game, but here are the facts. We are still 2-1. We are still an 8-8 team. It's how we respond this week that will deturmine how far we get this year. This is a big game for the franchise this weekend. Are we making strides? Anyone want to go?

This was basically my mindset waking up this morning.

Between the games, I can sit back and think "this power ranking has us too high and this one has us too low," and "we'll probably win 8 or 9 games, but maybe also 7." And I know for those things to be true, we're going to lose some games (some close, some not so close).

But on game day, I want to win! Especially against the Cowboys.

So, yes, the result doesn't really change the full season projection, but I still hate to see us lose to anyone, much less That Team in Texas, and much less a game that was handed to us on a platter.

[cvillehog]

True - A decoordinator is supposed to mix his blitzes up and disguise them. On 3 and 21, it doesn't seem like the right call to call out an all our blitz; however, Dallas has tendencies and their tendency is to throw the ball up to a spot in that situation.

What we don't know is the conversation between Haz and D. Hall. Dez Bryant in the game - it is coming to him at that spot. Should D. Hall have been at that spot? What no one has said so far is how Dez Bryant got behind Hall who should have had a good sized cushion (they always have a good sized cushion anyway). Did Dez give a double move? Was Hall peeking in the backfield?

Dez was Hall's man. Hall did not make the play. If Hall is the player that he claims to be then at the very least, he should have been close enough to make a play on the ball - he was beaten on a play that he knew was coming.

D Coordinators call the play - whether we agree with the play or not, the players did not execute. No one beat their block. Maybe they got held and it was not called, but no one outright beat their block. Hall did not make the play. Whose fault it is it?

Players play the game - the call, though not what a lot of D coordinators would call was not something that had zero chance to work or 1 out of 10 chances to work. D. Hall covers his man on that play - most likely - game over period!

Conclusion - D. Hall is not the guy he claims to be (We knew that)

Should Haz have placed his confidence in his player? That is what a player lives for for his coach to trust his ability. Haz is clearly a player's coach. In the long run, that produces good results and we have seen an low talent D play above its ability.

Bottomline - NO ONE PLAY COST US THE GAME! Several plays showed that we have work to to do and some holes to fill (Didn't we know this going into the season?) It would be nice to be 3-0, but the Cards game showed us limitations as well. This team is a work in progress with most of us knowing that it needs another off season to place us among the elite teams.

The only sentence of your post I would like to know more about is the last one. In your opinion, what can the Redskins do next offseason as a 6-10 or 8-8 team (with no better than a top 14-15 draft pick) to be counted "among the elite teams"?

During the season, the coaches and players earn their paychecks. During the offseason, the front office earns theirs. Whatever the final result this year, the front office will need to get to work to maintain the pieces that work while plugging the holes.

[RayNAustin]

True - A decoordinator is supposed to mix his blitzes up and disguise them. On 3 and 21, it doesn't seem like the right call to call out an all our blitz; however, Dallas has tendencies and their tendency is to throw the ball up to a spot in that situation.

What we don't know is the conversation between Haz and D. Hall. Dez Bryant in the game - it is coming to him at that spot. Should D. Hall have been at that spot? What no one has said so far is how Dez Bryant got behind Hall who should have had a good sized cushion (they always have a good sized cushion anyway). Did Dez give a double move? Was Hall peeking in the backfield?

Dez was Hall's man. Hall did not make the play. If Hall is the player that he claims to be then at the very least, he should have been close enough to make a play on the ball - he was beaten on a play that he knew was coming.

D Coordinators call the play - whether we agree with the play or not, the players did not execute. No one beat their block. Maybe they got held and it was not called, but no one outright beat their block. Hall did not make the play. Whose fault it is it?

Players play the game - the call, though not what a lot of D coordinators would call was not something that had zero chance to work or 1 out of 10 chances to work. D. Hall covers his man on that play - most likely - game over period!

Conclusion - D. Hall is not the guy he claims to be (We knew that)

Should Haz have placed his confidence in his player? That is what a player lives for for his coach to trust his ability. Haz is clearly a player's coach. In the long run, that produces good results and we have seen an low talent D play above its ability.

Bottomline - NO ONE PLAY COST US THE GAME! Several plays showed that we have work to to do and some holes to fill (Didn't we know this going into the season?) It would be nice to be 3-0, but the Cards game showed us limitations as well. This team is a work in progress with most of us knowing that it needs another off season to place us among the elite teams.

DHall didn't get beat. No double move, no peaking in the back field. I don't care who was put there on that play Dez Bryant had the upper hand. He lined up so that he had plenty of cushion on either side, ran a go route, waited for DHall to establish position, and then ran to a ball thrown to that side.

The play was indefensible in a 9 man rush. Bryant didn't have to lose or beat Hall and Romo didn't have to make a perfect pass. Romo just had to avoid the rush for a short time and then throw the ball to the opposite side of where Hall was.

No CB to ever play the game makes that play.

Could Hall have had a little better coverage? Maybe. It still wouldn't have made any difference, because all Romo had to do was lead Bryant away from coverage.

It was just a game of pitch and catch.

No, that play didn't cost us the game, but it did cost us a shot at closing out the game. How about rushing 3 or 4 and letting the Cowgirls have to complete two passes for the first down instead of one.

I was just defending Hall for being hung out to dry by Hasslett!

I'm amazed at how many morons are blaming that play on Hall.

That's exactly how I saw it too. The reality is, Romo made a play, first with his legs and then the pass. You might be able to cover a guy for 3-4-5 seconds ... but after that, all bets are off and that's not on the DB.

Hindsight is 20/20 regarding the defensive call ... if the blitz get's there and buries Romo and makes it 4th and 30, the game is virtually over right there. As with all football plays, when it works, you're a genius, and when it doesn't you're an idiot.

As much as I hate seeing the redskins lose, and particularly against the girls, there were some positives ... the defense didn't allow a TD. The offense moved the ball well again, and the o-line (T Williams) did a pretty good job on Ware most of the game.

As can be said for most close games, you could point to several individual plays or failures as the "reason" for the loss. A bungled snap on a FG was big, and resulted in a 6 point swing.

But the one point that keeps repeating is the inability to score TD's in the red zone, which allows opponents to hang around all game long, and that blame must be partially put on Kyle Shananhan's play calling/scheme.

I'd like to see more creativity in Shanahan's game plan, and more misdirection to attack a pursuing defense like the Cowboys. That's what was done on our only TD .... and that's what needs to happen more in the red zone. Don't run off tackle on 1st and 2nd down for 1 yard gains from the 10. I think KS is too predictable, and he got out coached by Ryan.

As for Grossman ... he is what he is ... and it doesn't look like that will ever change. He'll do some good things, but you can almost bank on a bad int and a fumble from him ... sometimes you can overcome those mistakes and sometimes you can't. The fumble thing is the most infuriating .... why does this guy not realize backside pressure when he's scrambling? It's almost a guarantee that he's going to cough one up .... he may think like Brett Favre, but he runs like Favre's grandmother, and he needs to understand that he's going to be caught from behind .... it happens almost every game!!!

At the end of the day, it should have been a win, and ended in a close loss. At Dallas, on Monday Night ... against a team everyone claims to be far more talented than the Redskins .... the team is still moving in the right direction, and could have won this one by 10 or more points.

[SkinsJock]

Given the miscues by the stupid pukes offense we should have won the game

we have to find a way to score TDs

I would also say that Kyle (&Mike?) need to do a better job of play calling with the players we have
not what they think might work against the defense

[Red_One43]

True - A decoordinator is supposed to mix his blitzes up and disguise them. On 3 and 21, it doesn't seem like the right call to call out an all our blitz; however, Dallas has tendencies and their tendency is to throw the ball up to a spot in that situation.

What we don't know is the conversation between Haz and D. Hall. Dez Bryant in the game - it is coming to him at that spot. Should D. Hall have been at that spot? What no one has said so far is how Dez Bryant got behind Hall who should have had a good sized cushion (they always have a good sized cushion anyway). Did Dez give a double move? Was Hall peeking in the backfield?

Dez was Hall's man. Hall did not make the play. If Hall is the player that he claims to be then at the very least, he should have been close enough to make a play on the ball - he was beaten on a play that he knew was coming.

D Coordinators call the play - whether we agree with the play or not, the players did not execute. No one beat their block. Maybe they got held and it was not called, but no one outright beat their block. Hall did not make the play. Whose fault it is it?

Players play the game - the call, though not what a lot of D coordinators would call was not something that had zero chance to work or 1 out of 10 chances to work. D. Hall covers his man on that play - most likely - game over period!

Conclusion - D. Hall is not the guy he claims to be (We knew that)

Should Haz have placed his confidence in his player? That is what a player lives for for his coach to trust his ability. Haz is clearly a player's coach. In the long run, that produces good results and we have seen an low talent D play above its ability.

Bottomline - NO ONE PLAY COST US THE GAME! Several plays showed that we have work to to do and some holes to fill (Didn't we know this going into the season?) It would be nice to be 3-0, but the Cards game showed us limitations as well. This team is a work in progress with most of us knowing that it needs another off season to place us among the elite teams.

DHall didn't get beat. No double move, no peaking in the back field. I don't care who was put there on that play Dez Bryant had the upper hand. He lined up so that he had plenty of cushion on either side, ran a go route, waited for DHall to establish position, and then ran to a ball thrown to that side.

The play was indefensible in a 9 man rush. Bryant didn't have to lose or beat Hall and Romo didn't have to make a perfect pass. Romo just had to avoid the rush for a short time and then throw the ball to the opposite side of where Hall was.

No CB to ever play the game makes that play.

Could Hall have had a little better coverage? Maybe. It still wouldn't have made any difference, because all Romo had to do was lead Bryant away from coverage.

It was just a game of pitch and catch.

No, that play didn't cost us the game, but it did cost us a shot at closing out the game. How about rushing 3 or 4 and letting the Cowgirls have to complete two passes for the first down instead of one.

I was just defending Hall for being hung out to dry by Hasslett!

I'm amazed at how many morons are blaming that play on Hall.

I didn't see how Hall Looked in coverage, but I listened to ESPN 980 (DC local radio) "The Sports Reporters" and Steve, one of the "Reporters" said that he saw the view from the sky cam and saw Hall bite on the slight pump fake by Romo and that is when Dez ran by him. Steve also said that Hall turned the wrong way.

That's one person who saw what you saw (I assume you saw the overhead view that Steve saw) differently as for who was culpable on that play. Since you are saying that Dez ran a go route that means that Hall didn't have to run around and chase Dez - that's when it is impossible to cover a receiver. When a receiver runs a go route, it is always possible to cover him if you have speed - Hall has speed, but according to Steve, The Sports Reporter, Hall did what he does best - peeked into the backfield and anticipated Dez breaking off the route - classic Hall - Classic Hall Beat. It wasn't the extra time why he got beat - just a straight go - he got beat like all the other times he got beat including last week.

Again not saying that Hall cost us the game, the all out blitz has to at least pressure Romo into making a bad throw. It didn't do anything but make him move to a more safe throwing position.

Teams win games and they lose games and that includes the coaches.

Did Haslett hang Hall out to dry: Let's look at what DeAngelo asked for in the past.

DeAngelo Hall says he'll track opponent's top wideout
Frustrated about late defensive breakdowns during Sunday's 30-27 overtime loss to the Houston Texans, cornerback DeAngelo Hall said Monday he plans to follow opponents' top receiver throughout games for the remainder of the season.

"That's how it was. That ain't how it's going to be from here on out. I'm going to be wherever the [expletive] ball's going," Hall said. "Wherever the receiver's going, that's where the [expletive] I'm going. That's the bottom line. That's something we got to do in order to win games. So that's what's going to happen."

And apparently, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett's opinion on the subject is not of great importance to Hall.

"It don't matter what he say," Hall said. "It don't matter what he say. This my team. This my defense. So I'm [going to] follow the receivers around. That's what I'm [going to do]. If we got to do that to win games, that's what we do."

Hall, however, has previously mentioned his concerns about his role to Haslett. "It's been something that I've been doing," Hall said. "We hadn't, I guess, felt like we needed to. But like I said, I feel like we need to. ... 'Has' knows me. He's seen me play over the years. He knows I like to do that."

"He knows I like to do that" Well, Mr. Hall you got what he (Haz) knows you like and you failed to deliver and now you are crying like a baby to the media. Can't have it both ways.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... -hall.html

[Red_One43]

True - A decoordinator is supposed to mix his blitzes up and disguise them. On 3 and 21, it doesn't seem like the right call to call out an all our blitz; however, Dallas has tendencies and their tendency is to throw the ball up to a spot in that situation.

What we don't know is the conversation between Haz and D. Hall. Dez Bryant in the game - it is coming to him at that spot. Should D. Hall have been at that spot? What no one has said so far is how Dez Bryant got behind Hall who should have had a good sized cushion (they always have a good sized cushion anyway). Did Dez give a double move? Was Hall peeking in the backfield?

Dez was Hall's man. Hall did not make the play. If Hall is the player that he claims to be then at the very least, he should have been close enough to make a play on the ball - he was beaten on a play that he knew was coming.

D Coordinators call the play - whether we agree with the play or not, the players did not execute. No one beat their block. Maybe they got held and it was not called, but no one outright beat their block. Hall did not make the play. Whose fault it is it?

Players play the game - the call, though not what a lot of D coordinators would call was not something that had zero chance to work or 1 out of 10 chances to work. D. Hall covers his man on that play - most likely - game over period!

Conclusion - D. Hall is not the guy he claims to be (We knew that)

Should Haz have placed his confidence in his player? That is what a player lives for for his coach to trust his ability. Haz is clearly a player's coach. In the long run, that produces good results and we have seen an low talent D play above its ability.

Bottomline - NO ONE PLAY COST US THE GAME! Several plays showed that we have work to to do and some holes to fill (Didn't we know this going into the season?) It would be nice to be 3-0, but the Cards game showed us limitations as well. This team is a work in progress with most of us knowing that it needs another off season to place us among the elite teams.

The only sentence of your post I would like to know more about is the last one. In your opinion, what can the Redskins do next offseason as a 6-10 or 8-8 team (with no better than a top 14-15 draft pick) to be counted "among the elite teams"?

When I talk off season, I also am talking about free agency as well. As you saw in last year's draft, we have no idea what draft choices Shanny will end up with during the draft. We are also looking at, for the first time, some continuity with this team. The last two years we turned over more than 20+ players. QB remains the mystery on who he will get.

[Red_One43]

True - A decoordinator is supposed to mix his blitzes up and disguise them. On 3 and 21, it doesn't seem like the right call to call out an all our blitz; however, Dallas has tendencies and their tendency is to throw the ball up to a spot in that situation.

What we don't know is the conversation between Haz and D. Hall. Dez Bryant in the game - it is coming to him at that spot. Should D. Hall have been at that spot? What no one has said so far is how Dez Bryant got behind Hall who should have had a good sized cushion (they always have a good sized cushion anyway). Did Dez give a double move? Was Hall peeking in the backfield?

Dez was Hall's man. Hall did not make the play. If Hall is the player that he claims to be then at the very least, he should have been close enough to make a play on the ball - he was beaten on a play that he knew was coming.

D Coordinators call the play - whether we agree with the play or not, the players did not execute. No one beat their block. Maybe they got held and it was not called, but no one outright beat their block. Hall did not make the play. Whose fault it is it?

Players play the game - the call, though not what a lot of D coordinators would call was not something that had zero chance to work or 1 out of 10 chances to work. D. Hall covers his man on that play - most likely - game over period!

Conclusion - D. Hall is not the guy he claims to be (We knew that)

Should Haz have placed his confidence in his player? That is what a player lives for for his coach to trust his ability. Haz is clearly a player's coach. In the long run, that produces good results and we have seen an low talent D play above its ability.

Bottomline - NO ONE PLAY COST US THE GAME! Several plays showed that we have work to to do and some holes to fill (Didn't we know this going into the season?) It would be nice to be 3-0, but the Cards game showed us limitations as well. This team is a work in progress with most of us knowing that it needs another off season to place us among the elite teams.

DHall didn't get beat. No double move, no peaking in the back field. I don't care who was put there on that play Dez Bryant had the upper hand. He lined up so that he had plenty of cushion on either side, ran a go route, waited for DHall to establish position, and then ran to a ball thrown to that side.

The play was indefensible in a 9 man rush. Bryant didn't have to lose or beat Hall and Romo didn't have to make a perfect pass. Romo just had to avoid the rush for a short time and then throw the ball to the opposite side of where Hall was.

No CB to ever play the game makes that play.

Could Hall have had a little better coverage? Maybe. It still wouldn't have made any difference, because all Romo had to do was lead Bryant away from coverage.

It was just a game of pitch and catch.

No, that play didn't cost us the game, but it did cost us a shot at closing out the game. How about rushing 3 or 4 and letting the Cowgirls have to complete two passes for the first down instead of one.

I was just defending Hall for being hung out to dry by Hasslett!

I'm amazed at how many morons are blaming that play on Hall.

That's exactly how I saw it too. The reality is, Romo made a play, first with his legs and then the pass. You might be able to cover a guy for 3-4-5 seconds ... but after that, all bets are off and that's not on the DB.

Hindsight is 20/20 regarding the defensive call ... if the blitz get's there and buries Romo and makes it 4th and 30, the game is virtually over right there. As with all football plays, when it works, you're a genius, and when it doesn't you're an idiot.

As much as I hate seeing the redskins lose, and particularly against the girls, there were some positives ... the defense didn't allow a TD. The offense moved the ball well again, and the o-line (T Williams) did a pretty good job on Ware most of the game.

As can be said for most close games, you could point to several individual plays or failures as the "reason" for the loss. A bungled snap on a FG was big, and resulted in a 6 point swing.

But the one point that keeps repeating is the inability to score TD's in the red zone, which allows opponents to hang around all game long, and that blame must be partially put on Kyle Shananhan's play calling/scheme.

I'd like to see more creativity in Shanahan's game plan, and more misdirection to attack a pursuing defense like the Cowboys. That's what was done on our only TD .... and that's what needs to happen more in the red zone. Don't run off tackle on 1st and 2nd down for 1 yard gains from the 10. I think KS is too predictable, and he got out coached by Ryan.

As for Grossman ... he is what he is ... and it doesn't look like that will ever change. He'll do some good things, but you can almost bank on a bad int and a fumble from him ... sometimes you can overcome those mistakes and sometimes you can't. The fumble thing is the most infuriating .... why does this guy not realize backside pressure when he's scrambling? It's almost a guarantee that he's going to cough one up .... he may think like Brett Favre, but he runs like Favre's grandmother, and he needs to understand that he's going to be caught from behind .... it happens almost every game!!!

At the end of the day, it should have been a win, and ended in a close loss. At Dallas, on Monday Night ... against a team everyone claims to be far more talented than the Redskins .... the team is still moving in the right direction, and could have won this one by 10 or more points.

I like your analysis.

[Red_One43]

Dissecting third and 21

On first and second down, the Redskins had gone with all-out blitzes to try to pressure Romo. They did it again on third down, rushing eight and leaving Josh Wilson, Kevin Barnes, and DeAngelo Hall out in coverage. The pressure came quickly and Romo rolled out to his right.

Dez Bryant stayed at the line at the snap and did not go out into a pattern until Romo started to roll out. Hall was covering him and for some reason he ran towards the line, taking away the cushion that should have been given on a third and 21. The quarterback signaled to Bryant and heaved the ball across his body as London Fletcher closed in on him.

Hall got turned around and Bryant got open. Bryant caught the ball about three yards shy of the first down but he was far enough away from Hall to easilyrun for the first down. Since Hall had been turned around he was not in good position to make the tackle. As he reached to make the stop, his hand went onto Bryant’s facemask.

Hall finally got Bryant down at the Washington 40. A 15-yard facemask penalty was tacked on to the end of the play (more on that in a moment), give Dallas a first down at the Washington 25 with 2:08 left. Three plays later, Dan Bailey kicked a field goal to give the Cowboys a 18-16 lead.

In Haslett’s defense, the players have to execute. DeAngelo Hall went to the Pro Bowl last year and is paid like a top cornerback. It was about 3.9 seconds from when Romo took the snap to when he released the ball. When a top cornerback knows it’s a passing situation and the quarterback has taken away half of the field by rolling out he can’t let the receiver get by him like that.

Hall got beat plain and simple and it is not the first time and certainly not the last.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... nd-21.html[/quote]

[Countertrey]

Dissecting third and 21

On first and second down, the Redskins had gone with all-out blitzes to try to pressure Romo. They did it again on third down, rushing eight and leaving Josh Wilson, Kevin Barnes, and DeAngelo Hall out in coverage. The pressure came quickly and Romo rolled out to his right.

Dez Bryant stayed at the line at the snap and did not go out into a pattern until Romo started to roll out. Hall was covering him and for some reason he ran towards the line, taking away the cushion that should have been given on a third and 21. The quarterback signaled to Bryant and heaved the ball across his body as London Fletcher closed in on him.

Hall got turned around and Bryant got open. Bryant caught the ball about three yards shy of the first down but he was far enough away from Hall to easilyrun for the first down. Since Hall had been turned around he was not in good position to make the tackle. As he reached to make the stop, his hand went onto Bryant’s facemask.

Hall finally got Bryant down at the Washington 40. A 15-yard facemask penalty was tacked on to the end of the play (more on that in a moment), give Dallas a first down at the Washington 25 with 2:08 left. Three plays later, Dan Bailey kicked a field goal to give the Cowboys a 18-16 lead.

In Haslett’s defense, the players have to execute. DeAngelo Hall went to the Pro Bowl last year and is paid like a top cornerback. It was about 3.9 seconds from when Romo took the snap to when he released the ball. When a top cornerback knows it’s a passing situation and the quarterback has taken away half of the field by rolling out he can’t let the receiver get by him like that.

Hall got beat plain and simple and it is not the first time and certainly not the last.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... nd-21.html

This analysis is dead on.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

W this tidbit I blame hall even less... I think he saw or thought Dez screen or quick pass since Romo was under pressure like earlier he just tosses it up before he can get sacked and makes a short gain. Hall bit but I'd blame Dez for the fake or making a good choice to smash out romo not getting hit soon enough and scrambling lengthening the play and haslett for the bad call. All in all it was two good players trying hard and dez won but didn't BURN Hall for 6... O wait the pukes didn't score ANY tds. THAT'S a BURN in their puke faces!
I woulda liked to have seen a dirty thirty jersey fly in to help hall and SMASH Dez for an incomplete pass and or ball bounces out picked by Hall. He had no help and no chance and the face mask was a weak call didn't event jolt his head.

[Countertrey]

Skinsfan33 said:

DHall didn't get beat. No double move, no peaking in the back field. I don't care who was put there on that play Dez Bryant had the upper hand. He lined up so that he had plenty of cushion on either side, ran a go route, waited for DHall to establish position, and then ran to a ball thrown to that side.

Do yourself a favor, and take another look at that play. What I saw bore no resemblance to that. A head feignt to the outside sent Hall spinning, and got the separation that Bryant needed. Hall had voluntarily surrendered a very valuable cushion (making him vulnerable to that head fake)... apparently because he WAS looking into the backfield. Hall's job was not to prevent a gain... it was to keep Dez Bryant in front of him. How'd he do?

Don't get me wrong... I do like Hall... but this is one of those rare times that it would have been nice to have Carlos Rogers on the Cowboys best receiver... We didn't need an interception... we needed the ball knocked down. Shoulda... coulda...

On to St Loo.

[Red_One43]

He had no help and no chance and the face mask was a weak call didn't event jolt his head

According to Hall, he didn't need help:

D. Hall - September 19, 2010

"That's how it was. That ain't how it's going to be from here on out. I'm going to be wherever the [expletive] ball's going," Hall said. "Wherever the receiver's going, that's where the [expletive] I'm going. That's the bottom line. That's something we got to do in order to win games. So that's what's going to happen."

And apparently, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett's opinion on the subject is not of great importance to Hall.

"It don't matter what he say," Hall said. "It don't matter what he say. This my team. This my defense. So I'm [going to] follow the receivers around. That's what I'm [going to do]. If we got to do that to win games, that's what we do."

Hall, however, has previously mentioned his concerns about his role to Haslett. "It's been something that I've been doing," Hall said. "We hadn't, I guess, felt like we needed to. But like I said, I feel like we need to. ... 'Has' knows me. He's seen me play over the years. He knows I like to do that."

D. Hall - September 26, 2011

Hall also complained that the Redskins called a blitz on the third-and-21 play, leaving him alone with Bryant, and that the blitz didn’t work.

“You ain’t supposed to have to [cover for that long], but [expletive] happens,” Hall said.

Oh, What a difference a year makes, Mr. Hall. Play a new tune for me.

I like DeAngelo Hall, but he is what he is, a playmaker and not a cover guy. Right now, he is all we have to cover their best receiver. Hall claimed that he was up for the job and claimed is an understatement. He failed on that play and it would be nice for him to realize it and go back to learning the fundamentals of the position - he could be one of the best in the league if he would play with some technique.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... -hall.html

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-his-job/

[Countertrey]

... Oh, yeah... and I forgot... NOT accountable...

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

He tried hafd clamarti reevis all get burned at least he didn't get beat for six. The face mask call made it awful but we still held them. This D w LL is soooo fun to watch I could care less that we lost cus we held them to no TDs dropped BIG hits and shoulda won. F it week 4 rams u are in a bad place facing this team PIST off and ready to do damage

[Countertrey]

cowboykillerzRED"

I could care less that we lost

ummm... to the Cowboys.
What is wrong with the world?

[DarthMonk]

Concerning 3rd an 21:

Hall did not play it well.

Having said that, I'd had a few beers and right before the play said to my bud "If we hold them they'll punt."

Now, ask yourself, if Dallas could have picked our defensive call, what would they have wanted? I'll tell you - an all-out blitz.

Wrong call for the situation. Rush 3 to 5 guys and everyone else plays at normal depth and keeps it in front of them. They punt and we have a chance to ice with a 1st down on offense.

I'm not saying we should have played like that on the drive but on that play we should have.

I am not blaming the loss on this play.

DarthMonk