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did we somehow not have a single open receiver all night? what the crap. he had time back there most of the time.

Man for a while I've seen multiple threads in Smack where all you guys are flaming some troll for talking about drafting a franchise QB and building the team around him. Now I'm seeing everyone breaking down, losing faith, and talking about losing more games to get a decent QB. Check your heads people. You're letting ONE game get to you. Sure it seems like deja vu all over again, but we have a lot of easy games coming up and I for one am looking forward to them.

fabe wrote:Man for a while I've seen multiple threads in Smack where all you guys are flaming some troll for talking about drafting a franchise QB and building the team around him. Now I'm seeing everyone breaking down, losing faith, and talking about losing more games to get a decent QB. Check your heads people. You're letting ONE game get to you. Sure it seems like deja vu all over again, but we have a lot of easy games coming up and I for one am looking forward to them.

"one" game? it isn't one game. it's 50 of these games over the past half-decade or so alone. it happens over and over and over; giving games away. there's a huge difference between getting beaten and giving games away. we get beaten a decent amount, but we give games away far more often, and it happens over and over and over and over and over again and we invent new ways to do it and never improve upon the problem.

absinthe1023 wrote:

Smithian wrote:Every year it's the same thing.

"We played hard! They got the bounces! We're rebuilding! Different than last year!"

No. I give up. I just give up. I've been saying that line for year. But it is just over with. I'll still cheer for the Redskins, but it's official. We are awful.

Eventually we'll suck bad enough we'll get an elite QB and shift our fortunes. I thought it had changed this year, but it hasn't.

Careful! That train of thought has already resulted in one ouster this year!

+1

die cowboys die wrote:

SprintRightOption wrote:Once again Look back at the early posts in this thread. If the Redskins players hadn't kept slipping they would have scored 30 points on the ground.

that is the one point i will grant-- i was going nuts about this in the 1st half. what was going on??? didn't they bring other shoes??? did it rain there earlier or what????

Did anyone see any Cowboys slipping? That looked awful suspcious, but hey it is part of the game, you are supposed to bring a variety of cleats.
No question home field advantage was in play here. We will get 'em them at our home.

fabe wrote:Man for a while I've seen multiple threads in Smack where all you guys are flaming some troll for talking about drafting a franchise QB and building the team around him. Now I'm seeing everyone breaking down, losing faith, and talking about losing more games to get a decent QB. Check your heads people. You're letting ONE game get to you. Sure it seems like deja vu all over again, but we have a lot of easy games coming up and I for one am looking forward to them.

+1

fabe wrote:Man for a while I've seen multiple threads in Smack where all you guys are flaming some troll for talking about drafting a franchise QB and building the team around him. Now I'm seeing everyone breaking down, losing faith, and talking about losing more games to get a decent QB. Check your heads people. You're letting ONE game get to you. Sure it seems like deja vu all over again, but we have a lot of easy games coming up and I for one am looking forward to them.

there will be n EASY games for this team. they will have to play lightsout football to be competative week in week out
ESPN. 3&21 give up a first down COME'ON MAN!

SprintRightOption wrote:Once again Look back at the early posts in this thread. If the Redskins players hadn't kept slipping they would have scored 30 points on the ground.

I dont wanna make lame excuses and we should just get over it. Good teams find a way to win. Good teams bring extra long spikes and cleats for shoes so they don't keep slipping..... We didn't

brad7686 wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

cvillehog wrote:That blitz call on 3rd & 27 was an unforgivable sin.

Agreed.

He did it earlier too, doesn't know when to pull it back. It's not a coincidence when you are a perennial top 5 pass defense and then all of a sudden you get toasted every game. It means you're too aggressive.

He all out blitzed on the play before. At 3rd and 21 there was no need to all out blitz. At least keep a safety back to prevent Romo from just lofting the ball up which is their plan.

One thing the all out blitz showed is even with an all out blitz we could not get any one to immediately break through - some peices are still missing - we need that coming in. Next - Romo knows how to buy time by retreating back - he has the arm and athleticism to do that - Grossman cannot doesn't have the mobility or the the arm to buy time - we knew that.

This game showed us our limitations. We have a scrappy good team that will overachieve this year, but all the pieces are not there yet.

I don't care if it's an 8 man blitz or a three man rush, letting them get a first down on 3rd and 21 is utterly unacceptable...

I do know one thing, I will be avoiding espn for the next 6 days...if they were slurping romo after the niner game, than this garbage will be on everything from pti to sports science

tribeofjudah wrote:

SprintRightOption wrote:Once again Look back at the early posts in this thread. If the Redskins players hadn't kept slipping they would have scored 30 points on the ground.

I dont wanna make lame excuses and we should just get over it. Good teams find a way to win. Good teams bring extra long spikes and cleats for shoes so they don't keep slipping..... We didn't

Good point on the shoes. There is a lot to praise in the game - D not giving up a TD. We need to get to the passer better and we gave up the big play too much, but we will get better at the season goes along - we still need to get more pieces to fill in the gaps.

Jeremy81 wrote:I don't care if it's an 8 man blitz or a three man rush, letting them get a first down on 3rd and 21 is utterly unacceptable...

I do know one thing, I will be avoiding espn for the next 6 days...if they were slurping romo after the niner game, than this garbage will be on everything from pti to zach brinkus

True - on the 3rd and 21. You have to stop that play. Takes away from an otherwise scrappy performance from the D. It was a tough assignment for Hall, but didn't he call for it?

die cowboys die wrote:

fabe wrote:Man for a while I've seen multiple threads in Smack where all you guys are flaming some troll for talking about drafting a franchise QB and building the team around him. Now I'm seeing everyone breaking down, losing faith, and talking about losing more games to get a decent QB. Check your heads people. You're letting ONE game get to you. Sure it seems like deja vu all over again, but we have a lot of easy games coming up and I for one am looking forward to them.

"one" game? it isn't one game. it's 50 of these games over the past half-decade or so alone. it happens over and over and over; giving games away. there's a huge difference between getting beaten and giving games away. we get beaten a decent amount, but we give games away far more often, and it happens over and over and over and over and over again and we invent new ways to do it and never improve upon the problem.

Look man I don't want to get into a big thing here; I know we're all emotional right now. Every sports team goes through good years and bad years, and it's really how the team bounces back from losses that will truely define their toughness. If you can't take the losses then maybe you should take a break from sports.

I'm still going to wear the colors tomorrow because that's what supportive fans do. Show their pride even during turbulent times.

Fvck D Hall.

SkinsHead56 wrote:

fabe wrote:Man for a while I've seen multiple threads in Smack where all you guys are flaming some troll for talking about drafting a franchise QB and building the team around him. Now I'm seeing everyone breaking down, losing faith, and talking about losing more games to get a decent QB. Check your heads people. You're letting ONE game get to you. Sure it seems like deja vu all over again, but we have a lot of easy games coming up and I for one am looking forward to them.

there will be n EASY games for this team. they will have to play lightsout football to be competative week in week out
ESPN. 3&21 give up a first down COME'ON MAN!

What makes you think that this team can't play lights out ball. They played against the number 2 D agains the run and number one D in sacks. The Skins are playing beyond their talent level. Unfortuantely, for this season, our talent level is not that good. We have limitations that have long term solutions. In the meantime, we this team plays it hearts out.

They made mistakes that are unexcusable - dropped FG snap. Giving up big runs for the second week in a row- These things show us that right now, we still have work to be done. This team is clearly better than last year - and they will get better this year, but they cannot escape the limitations that they have - Rex is one of them. No arm and no athleticism, but against teams who are not good at pressuring the QB, Rex can be darn good and against teams like Dallas, he was two points shy of being good enough for the victory. The glass is half full!

fabe wrote:I'm still going to wear the colors tomorrow because that's what supportive fans do. Show their pride even during turbulent times.

+1

Through the thick and the thin!

I don't care if it's an 8 man blitz or a three man rush, letting them get a first down on 3rd and 21 is utterly unacceptable...

I do know one thing, I will be avoiding espn for the next 6 days...if they were slurping romo after the niner game, than this garbage will be on everything from pti to zach brinkus

Countertrey wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I'm not hanging it up on Grossman but it's going to hang on the shoulders of the entire offense.

I am.

The QB is the difference-maker.

Sorry... all Hall needs to do is play fundamentally sound Corner for ONE FREAKING PLAY... and the game can be ended. You don't have to like it... but THAT was the play.

I think I'll save the rest of my opinions for tomorrow, after I cool off. Suffice it to say the Redskins continued pattern of pathetic 2 minute drill play, and weak Red Zone offense contributed to giving the game to a far inferior team... but it was Hall who cut the head off of the victory. I see folks blaming the blitz call... well, folks... Haslett is relying on a "pro bowl" corner to play sound football... Sorry... it's on Hall.

Although I don't like the all out blitz on successive plays. I have to agree with you on Hall. He says that he wants to be the man to cover their best receiver. He got the confidence of his D coordinator and he blew it. He had a 21 yard cushion to play with and still got beat by a ball that was just floated up there. Have to agree - it was on Hall.

SkinsJock wrote:

cvillehog wrote:That blitz call on 3rd & 27 was an unforgivable sin.

all the mistakes that the pukes were having on offense - they still managed to win - this was not about 1 defensive play

how about the stupid long run by Jones - why couldn't someone just make a tackle and how come the ref missed the obvious hold on that play


there were many things that contributed to the loss


we had it and let it get away

no worries - we're still 2-1 - we're keeping this franchise headed in the right direction

Check out Rob Jackson on that play, he goes after the lead blocker - for what? He leaves the outside completely exposed - Dallas made a lot of mistakes, but we gave up too many big plays.

absinthe1023 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:This was over the top. Over the freaking top. Totally unacceptable Totally.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you have a castoff turnover machine at QB. I don't care how many scrappy role players, feel good stories, and dominant defenders you have, to win in the modern NFL you need a franchise-level QB.

This loss doesn't fall only on the shoulders of Grossman. I agree with you that a team needs a franchise QB to win the big one (excluding the exceptions), but since when has anybody been realistically talking about the 2011 Redskins competing for the Super Bowl. Even with Rex's limitations which are well documented, he had a talented starved, over achieving, young team two points from being 3-0. So, why you are trying to rub your franchise QB stuff in our faces, I don't know. Nobody on this board doesn't want a franchise QB and our coach surely wants one, but he wants the right one. He chose to get Kerrigan whose transaction also produced Jenkins who will be key pieces for years to come. Are you saying that you rather have Gabbert than Kerrigan and Jenkins? This a long range plan of getting the pieces together.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Good Rex

Bad Rex

Enough good to win some games barely

Enough bad to spend the rest of his life as a backup QB

We are not there yet at that position, guys.

Some of you may not hang it on him but I do.

And Rex let Dez catch that 3 and 21 pass too.

Red_One43 wrote:

absinthe1023 wrote:Are you saying that you rather have Gabbert than Kerrigan and Jenkins? This a long range plan of getting the pieces together.

Would the Colts rather have Peyton Manning or Dwight Freeney/Robert Mathis? The Steelers rather Big Ben or Hampton/Wembley? The Cowboys have Romo or Ware/Ratliff?

In this league the QB is the main position. I can buy Shanahan just not being high on any of the available QBs but if he decided two front 7 players over a possible big time QB, that'd be tough to swallow.

Countertrey wrote:Bad Rex... What the hell are you thinking/???????

Rex continues to think tha the can win games with his feet. I heard this week that his idol is Brett Favre - that is probavly what he is thinking. He did improve this game by throwing a number of passes this way (I know it was hard for him, Brett never does this), but when he gets flushed out of the pocket when nothing is there, he needs to be taught to fall down, or throw the ball away or tuck it and slide for too yards (this will be hard for him - so unfavreesque). How may times does this have to happen before this guy gets it or Shanny says, Rex if you don't protect the football, there's the bench.

What the hell was he thinking - "Look at me, I am like my idol Brett Favre - NOT!

Red_One43 wrote:

absinthe1023 wrote:Are you saying that you rather have Gabbert than Kerrigan and Jenkins? This a long range plan of getting the pieces together.

Would the Cowboys rather have Romo or Ware/Ratliff?

If they were smart they'd pick Ware over Romo any day.