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I’m not to keen on the last 2 picks...I think we had other needs... irregardless if our current o-line can get it done this year... we need some young ponies in the stable...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:give our needs, we are 1 for 4 at this point

I don't think its that bad Canes....What if one of our starting 3 corners go down? We need someone right?

At least we have starters at cb. Who do we have to start at OLB? Who do we have to start at RT?

As a lot of people have pointed out the injury Jansen suffered 2 years ago is frequently followed by a sucking year. He's not that old and he's always been a great player. To be concerned about that we haven't addressed the future of the position is reasonable, but to say we have no one to start is premature.

Jansen was in decline prior to that injury. Don't get your hopes up. What's with the man-crush on Jansen. He talks a better game then he delivers. He was very good once but we're talking four or more years ago. Maybe because of his contract they can get some use out of him as a backup guard. The skin's made a mistake on his contract. If it wasn't for that he'd be out of the league.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Henson doesn't look bad, he looks at least as good as Rocky McIntosh

Then explain why he isn't even in one of the draft magazines I have and lasted until the 5th.

I agree that we need O lineman. But let me ask a question though: Why do you think that none of these lineman are being drafted right now? Here is my answer: No team feels that they are worth a draft pick at the current slot. Most of them are projects and they will be brought in after the draft as UFA's and given the opportunity to prove themself. Ask Stephon Heyer how that works out. We will find one or two guys who can do something I believe.

Tom C wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:As a lot of people have pointed out the injury Jansen suffered 2 years ago is frequently followed by a sucking year. He's not that old and he's always been a great player. To be concerned about that we haven't addressed the future of the position is reasonable, but to say we have no one to start is premature.

Jansen was in decline prior to that injury. Don't get your hopes up. What's with the man-crush on Jansen. He talks a better game then he delivers. He was very good once but we're talking four or more years ago. Maybe because of his contract they can get some use out of him as a backup guard. The skin's made a mistake on his contract. If it wasn't for that he'd be out of the league.

This is a "man crush?"

Kaz wrote:To be concerned about that we haven't addressed the future of the position is reasonable, but to say we have no one to start is premature

I'm glad I didn't say I've been to dinner at his house, you'd have called it an orgy.

frankcal20 wrote:I agree that we need O lineman. But let me ask a question though: Why do you think that none of these lineman are being drafted right now? Here is my answer: No team feels that they are worth a draft pick at the current slot. Most of them are projects and they will be brought in after the draft as UFA's and given the opportunity to prove themself. Ask Stephon Heyer how that works out. We will find one or two guys who can do something I believe.

Especially with our need on the o-line. We'll be a UFA O lineman magnet.

this is bad... look at our 2002 draft.... good thing we don't often have too many picks. we may shoot ourselves

2002
1. Patrick Ramsey
2. Ladell Betts
3. Rashad Bauman
3. Cliff Russel
5. Andre Lott
5. Robert Royal
6. Reggie Coleman
7. Jeff Grau
7. Greg Scott
7. Rock Cartwright

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Tom C wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:As a lot of people have pointed out the injury Jansen suffered 2 years ago is frequently followed by a sucking year. He's not that old and he's always been a great player. To be concerned about that we haven't addressed the future of the position is reasonable, but to say we have no one to start is premature.

Jansen was in decline prior to that injury. Don't get your hopes up. What's with the man-crush on Jansen. He talks a better game then he delivers. He was very good once but we're talking four or more years ago. Maybe because of his contract they can get some use out of him as a backup guard. The skin's made a mistake on his contract. If it wasn't for that he'd be out of the league.

This is a "man crush?"

Kaz wrote:To be concerned about that we haven't addressed the future of the position is reasonable, but to say we have no one to start is premature

I'm glad I didn't say I've been to dinner at his house, you'd have called it an orgy.

It's possible I confused you with some other lunatic. (that's a joke... not meant to be offensive)

Rock's been pretty good here I would say. So thats a perfect example of the type of guys you can find in the 7th.

Tom C wrote:

Kaz wrote:I'm glad I didn't say I've been to dinner at his house, you'd have called it an orgy.

It's possible I confused with some other lunatic. (that's a joke... not meant to be offensive)

No problem. Be sure to keep your lunatics straight, I hate being confused with other ones.

frankcal20 wrote:Rock's been pretty good here I would say. So thats a perfect example of the type of guys you can find in the 7th.

Last I heard several of those guys are still in the league even it they are not skins.

I always wonder about draft picks too. You know, all these draftniks say so and so prospect needs this or that environment to survive in the NFL. Makes you think, David Carr, Joey Harrington and Patrick Ramsey all had talent obviously... now what if they had gone into different situations? Their careers may look a LOT different today. Same if Joe Montana hadn't gotten drafted by the 49ers, on a different team there's no way he finds a system like the early WCO that shows off his skills. If he plays in a stretch the field offense we may never have heard of him.

The bottom line is, you have to draft for your style and you have to develop your players.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:give our needs, we are 1 for 4 at this point

I don't think its that bad Canes....What if one of our starting 3 corners go down? We need someone right?

At least we have starters at cb. Who do we have to start at OLB? Who do we have to start at RT?

As a lot of people have pointed out the injury Jansen suffered 2 years ago is frequently followed by a sucking year. He's not that old and he's always been a great player. To be concerned about that we haven't addressed the future of the position is reasonable, but to say we have no one to start is premature.

Kazoo your right. I think about what Buges said. He said something like Jon went through a huge injury and ran out of gas. Jon is old though. He has mileage and injury problems. He has gotten in great shape though. He might be the answer for at least 1 year if we are lucky.

Skinsfan55 wrote:I always wonder about draft picks too. You know, all these draftniks say so and so prospect needs this or that environment to survive in the NFL. Makes you think, David Carr, Joey Harrington and Patrick Ramsey all had talent obviously... now what if they had gone into different situations? Their careers may look a LOT different today. Same if Joe Montana hadn't gotten drafted by the 49ers, on a different team there's no way he finds a system like the early WCO that shows off his skills. If he plays in a stretch the field offense we may never have heard of him.

The bottom line is, you have to draft for your style and you have to develop your players.

You do that by not giving away picks. The draft is all about quantity. More picks means more flexibility. I'm happy to survive this draft without giving up any of next years picks.

here are all of our picks after the 2nd round since 2000. wow, we are BAD.

Here are some stats... please chime in and make sure my math is right...

42 picks

6 Thirds
4 Fourths
8 Fifths
11 Sixths
13 Sevenths

From all of that, i figure we picked up:

2 True starters: ey, Dockery (both 3rd round)

7 Contributors: Horton, Blades, Montgomery, Doughty, Golston, Royal, Cartright

33 Wasted picks

WHY DO WE EVEN STAY AROUND AFTER THE SECOND ROUND???



2008:
3. Chad Rinehart, T
4. Justin Tryon, CB
6. Durant Brooks, P
6. Kareem Moore, DB
6. Colt Brennan, QB
7. Rob Jackson, DE
7. Chris Horton, SS

2007:
5. Dallas Starz, LB
6. HB Blades, LB
7. Jordan Palmer, QB
7. Tyler Ecker, TE

2006:
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT
6. Reed Doughty, S
6. Kedric Golston, DT
7. Kili Lefotu, OG
7. Kevin Simon, ILB

2005:
4. Manuel White, FB
5. Robert McCune, ILB
6. Jared Newberry, OLB
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB

2004:
3. Chris ey, TE
5. Mark Wilson, OT
6. Jim Molinaro, OT

2003:
3. Derrick Dockery, G
7. Gibran Hamdan, QB

2002:
3. Rashad Bauman, CB
3. Cliff Russell, WR
5. Andre Lott, S
5. Robert Royal, TE
6. Reggie Coleman, T
7. Jeff Grau, LS
7. Greg Scott, DE
7. Rock Cartwright, FB

2001:
4. Sage Rosenfels, QB
5. Darnerien Mccants, WR
6. Mario Monds, DT

2000:
3. Lloyd Harrison, DB
4. Mookie Moore, G
5. Quicy Sanders
6. Todd Husak, QB
7. Delbert Cowsett, DE
7. Ethan Howell

Orakpo was a great addition. After that "eh"

You do that by not giving away picks. The draft is all about quantity. More picks means more flexibility. I'm happy to survive this draft without giving up any of next years picks.

Kilmer72 wrote:

You do that by not giving away picks. The draft is all about quantity. More picks means more flexibility. I'm happy to survive this draft without giving up any of next years picks.

its NOT about quantity.... look at my long post on the page before.

Well hell, we gave up a 2nd rounder for a former defensive player of the year who was injured. No one expected that.

We traded a 4th round pick for a two year starter at guard. (Pete Kendall)

And we traded a 7th round pick for Erasmus James.

Some may not have worked out, but it wasn't like past years where picks were totally wasted. Those were good moves at the time.

RedskinjXd wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

You do that by not giving away picks. The draft is all about quantity. More picks means more flexibility. I'm happy to survive this draft without giving up any of next years picks.

its NOT about quantity.... look at my long post on the page before.

It could have been done better but at least we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot.

RedskinjXd wrote:here are all of our picks after the 2nd round since 2000. wow, we are BAD.

Here are some stats... please chime in and make sure my math is right...

42 picks

6 Thirds
4 Fourths
8 Fifths
11 Sixths
13 Sevenths

From all of that, i figure we picked up:

2 True starters: ey, Dockery (both 3rd round)

7 Contributors: Horton, Blades, Montgomery, Doughty, Golston, Royal, Cartright

33 Wasted picks

WHY DO WE EVEN STAY AROUND AFTER THE SECOND ROUND???



2008:
3. Chad Rinehart, T
4. Justin Tryon, CB
6. Durant Brooks, P
6. Kareem Moore, DB
6. Colt Brennan, QB
7. Rob Jackson, DE
7. Chris Horton, SS

2007:
5. Dallas Starz, LB
6. HB Blades, LB
7. Jordan Palmer, QB
7. Tyler Ecker, TE

2006:
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT
6. Reed Doughty, S
6. Kedric Golston, DT
7. Kili Lefotu, OG
7. Kevin Simon, ILB

2005:
4. Manuel White, FB
5. Robert McCune, ILB
6. Jared Newberry, OLB
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB

2004:
3. Chris ey, TE
5. Mark Wilson, OT
6. Jim Molinaro, OT

2003:
3. Derrick Dockery, G
7. Gibran Hamdan, QB

2002:
3. Rashad Bauman, CB
3. Cliff Russell, WR
5. Andre Lott, S
5. Robert Royal, TE
6. Reggie Coleman, T
7. Jeff Grau, LS
7. Greg Scott, DE
7. Rock Cartwright, FB

2001:
4. Sage Rosenfels, QB
5. Darnerien Mccants, WR
6. Mario Monds, DT

2000:
3. Lloyd Harrison, DB
4. Mookie Moore, G
5. Quicy Sanders
6. Todd Husak, QB
7. Delbert Cowsett, DE
7. Ethan Howell

i would love your insight on this guys. to me this is very scary.

We're up, I want Cadogan!

Some may not have worked out, but it wasn't like past years where picks were totally wasted. Those were good moves at the time.

No they weren't. Numerous people on these boards correctly pointed out at the time of the trade that Jason Taylor wasn't cut out to be an every down LDE. He is a 3-4 linebacker.

On the clock again...

Eddie Williams TE Idaho?????