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DarthMonk wrote:What number(s) do think would get Kirk Cousins to sign by July 15 ??

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NFL people have been anticipating Luck deal as a market-altering contract to elevate top end of QB market for first time in a while.

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NFL people have been anticipating Luck deal as a market-altering contract to elevate top end of QB market for first time in a while.

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NFL people have been anticipating Luck deal as a market-altering contract to elevate top end of QB market for first time in a while.

I agree. It altered the market for top end quarterbacks. Cousins isn't one of those.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:What number(s) do think would get Kirk Cousins to sign by July 15 ??

None. He's not signing a deal this season.

Colts do six-year, $140M mega-deal with Luck

Colts signed QB Andrew Luck to a new six-year, $140 million contract through 2021.

This deal resets the top of the quarterback market and contains a record-setting $87 million guaranteed. Luck was entering the final year of his rookie contract. Despite missing half of last season and struggling for large chunks of the eight games he was in there, Luck deserves every penny. GM Ryan Grigson hasn't done anything to protect Luck during his now-four-year career, failing to get him any offensive linemen and subjecting "the franchise" to unnecessary hits. Now back to full health, Luck should be in for a big bounce-back year as a top-flight QB1. He's now signed through his age-32 season.

Jun 29 - 3:19 PM

DarthMonk wrote:More like a prediction than an answer.

So if we offered him $150 M for 6 years with $100 M guaranteed, he'd say "No thanks, I'm betting on myself." ???

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:More like a prediction than an answer.

So if we offered him $150 M for 6 years with $100 M guaranteed, he'd say "No thanks, I'm betting on myself." ???

Let's try to stay within the bounds of reality.

DarthMonk wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:More like a prediction than an answer.

So if we offered him $150 M for 6 years with $100 M guaranteed, he'd say "No thanks, I'm betting on myself." ???

Let's try to stay within the bounds of reality.

OK. I'm not asking if you think we will sign him by July 15 or not. I'm asking, what is the minimum offer you think we could make by July 15 that would get a "Yes" from Kirk?

You seem to think he has no reason to say yes to $110 M for 6 years and $44 M guaranteed. What do you think would do the trick?

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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
I agree. It altered the market for top end quarterbacks. Cousins isn't one of those.

Exactly.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:1) He hasn't won the games he's not supposed to win, the ones against teams with winning records.
2) He hasn't won playoff games.
3) He hasn't been the best player at his position.
4) He hasn't been the league MVP or even in the discussion.
5) He has a losing career record.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:6) He was drafted in the 4th round, not in the 1st round and not #1 overall like Andrew Luck. Or #2 overall like the player he replaced.

DarthMonk wrote:^^ Dig it.

I am a big believer in the maxim: Big money doesn't change a guy - it makes a guy more of what he already is.

Kirk is a hard worker with a plus head and a plus work ethic and more than adequate athleticism. He has improved weekly, monthly, and yearly. I expect more of the same.

riggofan wrote:I would be curious to see you look at Matthew Stafford's contract and then apply these statements to him. Any guess at his W-L record? How many playoff games he has won? Best player at his position?

riggofan wrote:Like Josh Norman?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:I would be curious to see you look at Matthew Stafford's contract and then apply these statements to him. Any guess at his W-L record? How many playoff games he has won? Best player at his position?

OK, so the Lions were right to pay Stafford a 3 year, $53,000,000 contract, a $27,500,000 signing bonus, $41,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $17,666,667, with a 2016 cap hit of $22,500,000 for 42-51 and 0-2 in the playoffs?

I'm really not sure where you're going with that.

“I just think it’s going to be too difficult to do, but it would be great for Washington and for Kirk Cousins for me to be proven wrong,” Schefter told ESPN 980’s Kevin Sheehan and Chris ey on Wednesday. “But again, as we’ve talked about, for a multitude of reasons, how do you establish his value when I think there would be teams willing to pay him if he were on the open market today more than Washington feels like it needs to pay him, and if he were to hit the free agent market this offseason, I think a team like the Cleveland Browns would’ve given him $20 million a year, maybe more.”

ey wondered aloud why Schefter considered it so unlikely that Cousins and the Redskins would agree on an extension and suggested a hypothetical $93 million offer with a fifth-year option and $47 million guaranteed. Citing the deal that free agent quarterback Brock Osweiler signed with the Texans this offseason, Schefter replied that the guaranteed money would have to be closer to $60 million for Cousins to consider not playing this season on the franchise tag.

“Here’s the whole thing, ” Schefter said, speaking from Cousins’s perspective. “He’s already this year going to make $19-$20 million, which is more money than he’s ever made, more money than he’s seen, and by making that money, he’s just about set. He also has a chance, if he comes in and plays well this year — again, you don’t want to tag me this year, no problem — there will be a team like the Houston Texans out there that’s willing to pay me like they did Brock Osweiler: four years, $76 million, $38 million guaranteed. I just made the [$20 million guaranteed]. That gives me $58 million guaranteed over the course of that contract. I’m going to bet on myself because I’ve never had a chance to lead this team. I’ve never had the chance to be the guy. I’ve never had the chance to have the belief of everybody around me and now I’m going to step in, in my third year in Jay Gruden’s system with the weapons I have surrounding me, and I’m going to play pretty well, I’m going to play better than Brock Osweiler did. And so now, next offseason, when the New York Jets and the Cleveland Browns and the Arizona Cardinals need a quarterback, they’re going to pay me well north of [what the Texans paid Osweiler]. They’re going to pay me [four years, $85 million, $45 million guaranteed or $50 million guaranteed]. If he thinks — and he does — he’s going to have a good season this year, you’re not taking the money that you’re talking about, Chris.”

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:Like Josh Norman?

Josh Norman was just voted the #1 cornerback in the league by his peers. He's a Pro Bowler and an All Pro. Let me know when that happens for Kirk Cousins. Then I'll agree he should be paid like one.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Make of this what you will.

SkinsJock wrote:Cousins is going to get offered a really good long term deal that I hope he turns down

This is a great opportunity for him - no RG3 and no excuse not to have a great offensive season

hopefully he grabs the opportunity to prove that he's worth elite QB money and does not take the long term deal

The floor keeps getting higher for Kirk Cousins.

In March, when Brock Osweiler jumped from the Broncos to the Texans for a contract that averages $18 million per year, that was generally accepted to be a floor for a Kirk Cousins deal. Osweiler had just seven NFL starts under his belt and his play was just OK. Cousins was coming off of a very good, 16-start season. If Osweiler was worth $18 million per season then Cousins was worth at least that much.

Yesterday the floor shifted.

Andrew Luck signed an extension is worth about $25 million per year. Luck was the No. 1 pick in the 2012 draft, he has three Pro Bowls on his resume and his teams have been to the playoffs three times and have won three games. He clearly is a cut above Cousins, who has one season as a starter and the Redskins have an 0-1 mark in the playoffs with him at quarterback.

But that doesn’t mean that Luck’s big payday won’t affect Cousins. As the saying goes, a rising tide lifts all boats. Luck’s deal is a rip tide that will raise the salaries of all competent quarterbacks who are fortunate enough to become free agents.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:I would be curious to see you look at Matthew Stafford's contract and then apply these statements to him. Any guess at his W-L record? How many playoff games he has won? Best player at his position?

OK, so the Lions were right to pay Stafford a 3 year, $53,000,000 contract, a $27,500,000 signing bonus, $41,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $17,666,667, with a 2016 cap hit of $22,500,000 for 42-51 and 0-2 in the playoffs?

I'm really not sure where you're going with that.

Here's where I'm going with that:

He signed that deal three years ago when it was considered a lucrative contract. However he apparently got that deal without doing "any of the things top quarterbacks get paid for doing" like you described.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... s/2502647/

The numbers you quoted for Stafford are key too. If you look at how his contract was described in 2013 that was a big deal. It was described as his "second big contract". In 2016 though, his annual salary that you quoted looks very reasonable for the position. I think freaking Osweiler is getting paid more than that per year, isn't he?

riggofan wrote:Oh my god man. Do you just copy and paste this comment every three days? I'm beginning to think you are actually a bot on the Internet.