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dmwc wrote:I dont know if you guys are replying to what I said but if you are then reply to this... we beat the HOUSTON TEXANS yeah, ok go Redskins confidence. If we beat JAC then ill be happy

And it's all about you being happy, screw everyone else!

I was responding to you! And I think your response to this win is pathetic. Our team played their hearts out today and if you cannot appreicate that, then perhaps you need to start following bowling.

Look dont get me worng i love your guys cause we bleed that burgundy and gold, because we invest so much of oursleves into the Redskins. But a win at HOU... is good but not that good. like 2pac said " i aint mad atcha"

Our stats:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060924_WAS@HOU

Colts Stats:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060917_HOU@IND

a wins a win dont complain about it dmwc

Yo Niki.. so you saying that next week we gonna beat JAC to? I hope os then i will be the happiest redskin fan here... amoungst THE OTHER happeist redskins fans

We are going to win against the Jags. I am a fan and as such I will support my team. They want our support not our critisim. The media does enough critisim for everyone.

It's two weeks late, but the Redskins have just started their season. They'll beat the Jags next week, and they'll be 2-2. But, better than that, they've still got a lot of improving to do. This offence has so many weapons, only Buddy Ryan could mess it up. Trust me - this offence will be unstoppable by midseason.

But, to be honest, I have been drinking.

I think I might be drunk - anybody want to join me?

thanks UK...I support my team always... i love Jansen and Samuals... i get mad at every probowl when some of your guys dont get in... ask anyone thats around me and i am the biggest redskins fan out there period. buy the way as far as Brunells 22 pass Marino and Simms joked on him on the post game show...

Guys, this is just what we needed to get our offense clicking and our confidence soaring.

I mean, thank God we played the Texans!
A) This is exactly what happned the last few years when we played the 49ers: We dominate against a crappy team, and we continue the success throughout the season
B) And see, this was a game where we got to work out all the kinks and stuff in the offesne to which now we know what works and what doesn't work.

You see, we actually got to play relaxed today and we figured this offense out because we weren't playing from behind all game.

I can't really explain it but if you know football, you know what I'm talking about.

You see, we actually got to play relaxed today and we figured this offense out because we weren't playing from behind all game.

We figured out this offense?? Did u watch the game? That was the most vanilla offense I have ever seen. I don't think that Brunell attempted more than 2 or 3 passes of over 5 or 6 yards. We run this type of offense against the Jags next week and we'll get shutout.

I hope the players but more importantly the COACHES read this... i love the players all of them even if they dont do good... but you need to feed the monstar t hat is the REDSKINS O... Moss needs catches, portis needs the runs, ey needs catches... the D needs blitzes and turnovers... i want the D to play like they did last year and the O to start playing like they want to... we can be #1 o and #1 D and we should be... got williams and Saunders!

It's great that we scored over 30 points today but ey only had 1 catch, Lloyd had 2, and Randle El got 1. Once again we aren't getting our weapons the ball. You cant dump the ball off to Betts and Sellers constantly and expect to beat good teams like the Jags, Eagles, Giants, etc.

SkinzCanes wrote:

You see, we actually got to play relaxed today and we figured this offense out because we weren't playing from behind all game.

We figured out this offense?? Did u watch the game? That was the most vanilla offense I have ever seen. I don't think that Brunell attempted more than 2 or 3 passes of over 5 or 6 yards. We run this type of offense against the Jags next week and we'll get shutout.

This has certainly been the year of "you must not have been watching the same game that I was", as I've seen some form of that posted every week since the preseason.

I'm just going to call it like it is, and say that this was an exciting offense to watch today. We had completions of 20+ yards on several occasions, but when you get up by 14-21 points then it's time to run the ball, if you have a running game.

And run we did, with 234 yards on the ground.

234.

If this is vanilla. . .bring it on. . . .

dmwc wrote:So Brunell got the 1st 22 passes completed marking NFL history... now end your career on a good note Marky

Yep, we'll see wat Mark can do against a real D next week. Like i said this W is only for the standings and not how much improvement our team still needs.

Wat a waist to have ey, Moss, Llyod, Randle el and Patten on our team with out a QB to get them the ball in stride.

ey should be eating up the deep middle with our WR's picking apart zone D's and should dominate one on one situaitons.

SkinzCanes wrote:It's great that we scored over 30 points today but ey only had 1 catch, Lloyd had 2, and Randle El got 1. Once again we aren't getting our weapons the ball. You cant dump the ball off to Betts and Sellers constantly and expect to beat good teams like the Jags, Eagles, Giants, etc.

100% correct, Enough said !!!!

We had completions of 20+ yards on several occasions, but when you get up by 14-21 points then it's time to run the ball, if you have a running game.

On how many of those 20+ yard completions did Boonell actually throw the ball more than a few yards? Most of the completions were a result of dump passes and screens to our players. The only intermediate passes that I can think of was the one were Boonell sailed the ball over Patten's head and he made a great catch and the one that should've been intercepted but was tipped instead and caught but one of our receivers. Sure what we did today was effective, but if we cant throw any vertical passes against the NFL's worst pass defense then how are we going to do it against good defenses like Jacksonville's?? I have nothing against running the ball, obviously we are succesful when we do that. But you have to be able to get the ball downfield, especially against bad teams.

Yeah we didn't use our weapons today.

CP - 162 yards (rec and rushing)
Betts - 124 yards rushing

Maybe you just have a different idea of what our weapons are than outr coaching staff does.

You'd think that with the success that saunders had with RB's in KC that it'd be easier to figure out that this offense is PREDICATED on the EXACT type of performance they got today from this offense.

Moss got the ball 6 times... cooley 4... just how many touches does it take to make everyone happy?

Usually however many you got when you won the game.

In the NFL, you take what's given to you... and the Redskins took it all day long. Hate all you want. There's no way to argue the fact that it was against Houston... and there's no way to deny that this offense just did WHATEVER they wanted today... and spread it ariound pretty nicely.

Yeah we didn't use our weapons today.

CP - 162 yards (rec and rushing)
Betts - 124 yards rushing

Maybe you just have a different idea of what our weapons are than outr coaching staff does.

You'd think that with the success that saunders had with RB's in KC that it'd be easier to figure out that this offense is PREDICATED on the EXACT type of performance they got today from this offense.

Moss got the ball 6 times... cooley 4... just how many touches does it take to make everyone happy?

Usually however many you got when you won the game.

I have no problem with the running game. If you read my post it's clear that I was talking about not getting the ball to our receiving weapons. Yea ey got 4 touches, for a grand total of 18 yards. Lloyd had 2 for 20 yards. Moss had 6 for 50. So our three best receivers combined for 88 total receiving yards. I'm sorry but that's not getting your weapons the ball. Only once last season did ey have less than 20 yards receiving in game, and so far this season he has only had 20 yards receiving once. Look at Moss' production last year and compare that to his production this season. Lloyd, a guy that we traded 2 draft pikcs for a gave a contract extension to, has 3 catches in 3 games. A win is a win but I didn't see any real improvement in our offense in terms of throwing the ball. Yea it's great that Brunell set a record and completed a high percentage of passes, but with the types of passes that he was attempting there would be a very serious problem if he couldn't complete a high percentage of them. This type of offense is good enough to beat the Texans but that's the only team on our schedule against who this type of offense will work. Like I said before, why have guys like Moss, ey, and Lloyd if you aren't going to get them the ball?

SkinzCanes wrote:[ Like I said before, why have guys like Moss, ey, and Lloyd if you aren't going to get them the ball?

Because it makes it tough on a defense. Even if they don't get the ball, the defense has to account for them. Like one of the announcers alluded to also, ey isn't going to get as many touches this year with us having more weapons. Anyway, I thought they did a great job of spreading the ball around and using what worked. Why go away from what is working if the Texans couldn't stop it.

SkinzCanes wrote: I have no problem with the running game. If you read my post it's clear that I was talking about not getting the ball to our receiving weapons. Yea ey got 4 touches, for a grand total of 18 yards. Lloyd had 2 for 20 yards. Moss had 6 for 50. So our three best receivers combined for 88 total receiving yards. I'm sorry but that's not getting your weapons the ball. Only once last season did ey have less than 20 yards receiving in game, and so far this season he has only had 20 yards receiving once. Look at Moss' production last year and compare that to his production this season. Lloyd, a guy that we traded 2 draft pikcs for a gave a contract extension to, has 3 catches in 3 games. A win is a win but I didn't see any real improvement in our offense in terms of throwing the ball. Yea it's great that Brunell set a record and completed a high percentage of passes, but with the types of passes that he was attempting there would be a very serious problem if he couldn't complete a high percentage of them. This type of offense is good enough to beat the Texans but that's the only team on our schedule against who this type of offense will work. Like I said before, why have guys like Moss, ey, and Lloyd if you aren't going to get them the ball?

They didn't need to get the ball to the receivers today... moreover, that woud have been playing into the texans defensive strategy all game long.

The Texans sat in zone to try and take away the 'weapons' and the Redskins kept slicing open their underbelly. Those weapons that we 'didn't use' spent a helluva day blocking and making the underneath stuff work... and guys don't block effectively unless they buy into the role. Evryone on the offense did a good job of doing whatever it took to just keep driving down the field.

See that's the benefit of having multiple weapons... you can use different ones at different times to expose what the oppostiion is giving you. Today we took what we needed to all day long, and NEVER struggled to move the ball. it doesn't matter how you move the chains as long as you keep moving them.

As long as the 'weapons' know that there will be different times for 'different weapons' then how much they get the ball will never be an issue. It never usually is as long as you're posting W's. i doubt there's a single 'weapon' that is whining about their touches today... they're all just happy to get the monkey off of their backs.

I find it funny that we need to do more... I wasn't aware that the league would award us more than one win if we won a certain way.

Otherwise, all I see is a 'W' and a team that played with a lot of purpose today.

As long as the 'weapons' know that there will be different times for 'different weapons' then how much they get the ball will never be an issue. It never usually is as long as you're posting W's. i doubt there's a single 'weapon' that is whining about their touches today... they're all just happy to get the monkey off of their backs.

It's not just today. Like I said, Lloyd has 3 total catches in 3 games. Moss' numbers are down, ey's numbers are down, etc. Our receiving weapons haven't been used at all this season so I have no idea how they are supposed to know that "there will be different times for different weapons." In 3 games we have 1 passing td.

I'm not for one second saying that the entire offense wasn't putrid the first two games.

I'm saying that today... those weapons didn't get the ball because the Texans chose to cover them at the expense of the backs being able to eat them up with the short stuff. So we ate them up with the short stuff.

If teams try to react and bring another man down... then as long as the offense is firing like it was today... then they should be able to find guys further down the field more. If teams continue to try and top the Redskins the way the texans didn't today... then I'm sure that we'll do EXACTLY what we did today.

This coaching staff won't feel any undue urgency to 'establish' the worth of some of this paid talent... and if they keep moving the ball in games like today... they won't care how they're doing it.

And I don't think the players will either.

There's only one stat that matters on a well coached team... your win/loss record.

Today we put one in the right column.

We have a lot to do before we call this offense efficient, or lethal, but that shouldn't take away from the good work they put in today.