Lavar Arrinton.... Merged

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Give him an apron and have him serve soup on the sidelines, trade him, do something with him.

Now, THERE'S something he's good at, see?

[EA7649]

I couldn't see the game since i live in jersey. did he play much in KC?

[DEHog]

2 plays on ST

[JansenFan]

OK. No more LaVar talk. Let's stop now that it's on page 56.

It's kharma.

[UK Skins Fan]

Holdman has the lowest tackel total of any linebacker on the team and is even behind guys in our secondary. Carlos Rogers makes hits on his side that he misses. He sucks he sucks he sucks.

This is a pretty bold statement here Hogster. I don't get to see the games from my part of the world, and I have no doubt you know your football better than I do, but are you seriously suggesting that Williams, Blache and Lindsey would rather play somebody who fits this description instead of playing Arrington, for no good reason at all?

I have absolutely no idea what their thinking is, but I'm pretty sure that they don't think Holdman sucks, or that he's a liability. These guys know more about football than you, me or anybody else on this site. They're not standing on the sideline thinking "My God, this Holdman guy sucks, but we haven't finished humiliating Lavar yet, so we'll have to keep him in the game for now". They clearly think that Holdman is doing a good enough job to warrant keeping Lavar on the sideline. And their opinion is, I'm afraid, the only thing that matters in this situation.

[The Hogster]

I don't proclaim to know more about football than Coach Williams, but I also recognize that this situation has a non-football related component. My reasoning for that is simple, that Holdman has not been performing very well. That's my opinion, but it just happens to be the truth...Lemar Marshall (while not spectacular) filled in admirably for Lavar last year.

Holdman doesn't come close to that. He is being exposed for big gains, and he is on pace for a whopping 32 tackles this season. 32 tackles, this year is terrible for a Linebacker.

[UK Skins Fan]

Perhaps they're using him to lull offenses into a false sense of security, drawing plays to his side so that Washington can get some rest without leaving the game?

I just don't know what's going on, and that's the last I have to say on the matter, I think...

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

I think I found the solution to our problems on defense.

From another fan site:

Screw Lavar..... we should put Patrick Ramsey on defense....he produces turnovers....

[nuskins]

As I have stated more than 35 or so pages ago this situation seems to amount to nothing more than a personal vendetta by our owner DAN SYNDER! I know many of you here blindly believe that Danny has relinquished all control of the team but get real, when it comes to wielding power Danny has proven again and again that he loves to throw his weight around, especially when it comes to money. If you think he does not provide input to this coaching staff I have a great oceanfront property in North Dakota to sell you. Power plays are his forte as he has proven over and over...anyone remember the "bigscreen" TV comment directed at Coles?

Danny is pissed Lavar called him out on the money thing and has made it his personal mission to humiliate Lavar, at whatever the cost. There is no other plausible explanation at this point as to why Lavar has not played one down in the last 2 games! ( the ST play doesn't count)

Why has Greg W. done an about face on this subject? Why did the coaching staff feed us BS answers for the last 4 weeks regarding the situation and now have bascially stated that they will not answer anymore questions regarding Lavar? They cannot come up with anymore excuses for this vendetta.

It's pretty plain on the wall..Dan Snyder must go....trade him to the cowboys and put Lavar back in the defense at Weak Linebacker where he belongs!

[Uaintready]

Lavar got in on two plays, and both where on punt team.

I couldn't see the game since i live in jersey. did he play much in KC?

[DCGloryYears828791]

was he on the John Thompson Show today?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

was he on the John Thompson Show today?

For some reason, no. Check back tomorrow.

[SkinzCanes]

Gibbs was supposed to be on Sportstalk 980 at 6pm. Did anybody catch the show and if so did he address the Lavar situation?

[Scottskins]

you guys are just funny as heck. Snyder is at fault? Wow, I guess I got some property for you too lmao. Joe Gibbs would never allow himself or any other coach to let their personal emotions get in the way of winning. It has everything to do with Lavar. It's either his attitude or his play. The guys we have starting now are doing a good enough job in GWs eyes, or Lavar would be in there. Whatever Gibbs and Greg think is best for this team is just fine by me. They are the ones that have completely turned this team around and if that's not good enough for you, then nothing ever will be. Do you guys even remember what kind of this team was the last decade? These coaches can bench ANYONE they want and not rattle my loyalty to them. It's about the redskins, not the redskins overpriced players. Back to the superbowl we go in the next 2 or 3 years with or without those of you calling for these coaches heads...

[1niksder]

As I have stated more than 35 or so pages ago this situation seems to amount to nothing more than a personal vendetta by our owner DAN SYNDER! I know many of you here blindly believe that Danny has relinquished all control of the team but get real, when it comes to wielding power Danny has proven again and again that he loves to throw his weight around, especially when it comes to money. If you think he does not provide input to this coaching staff I have a great oceanfront property in North Dakota to sell you. Power plays are his forte as he has proven over and over...anyone remember the "bigscreen" TV comment directed at Coles?

I think you were incorrect more than 35 pages ago and I think you are still incorrect 21 pages later. This isn't about money - the money is spent, it's just a matter of accounting for it (the sooner Lavar leaves the more it will cost the team)... I remember "the Danny" and the Big screen comments to Coles. "the Danny" said he'd make him sit at home and the closest he'd get to the field would be the Big-Screen, but then I remember Gibbs saying he'd be willing to let him go but we would have to get someone for him.
We know what "the Danny's" plan was, we know what Joe Gibbs wanted to do, and we know the outcome of the Coles ordeal.
Is anyone confused about who is calling the shots on personnel moves

Danny is pissed Lavar called him out on the money thing and has made it his personal mission to humiliate Lavar, at whatever the cost. There is no other plausible explanation at this point as to why Lavar has not played one down in the last 2 games! ( the ST play doesn't count)

Few thing wrong with this statement....
Why would "the Danny" be mad he came out ahead in this contract dispute
Seems that I remember Lavar saying something about Lavar being quoted as saying he not only wouldn't play teams but he wouldn't even attend special teams meetings. The next day Lavar was 980 saying he hadn't been asked to play teams and wouldn't not play if asked (seems ST play does count)

Why has Greg W. done an about face on this subject? Why did the coaching staff feed us BS answers for the last 4 weeks regarding the situation and now have bascially stated that they will not answer anymore questions regarding Lavar? They cannot come up with anymore excuses for this vendetta.

Where is the about face? GW position has been the same thoughout this whole mess. He has said Lavar is like everyone else, you earn your spot back, Lavar is on in on certain packages (packages that haven't been used much the last 2 weeks.... I got my own thought on this) Why should they continue to answer the same questions when the situation hasn't changed and everyone knows this? Gibbs said he's not talking about it anymore, he could have handle it like Mike Tice handled the "Love Boat". (Tice answer to most questions last week was "Do you want to ask be something about what we have to do to win this week")

I have yet to see or hear of the vendetta you speak of.
We both know the money dosen't matter to "the Danny" and he knows something about the cap no-one else does. If he had a vendetta why hasn't Lavar been traded to the lower bowels of the NFL (he'd cost anyother team about $1M over the next 2 years.. the rest is on "the Danny")

It's pretty plain on the wall..Dan Snyder must go....trade him to the cowboys and put Lavar back in the defense at Weak Linebacker where he belongs!

Again you got a few points wrong... Can't say you're wrong because YOU want "the DAnny" gone, that's you're opinion (everyone has one ) here's the problem: That team in Texas already has a older version of "the Danny"
"the Danny" can't be traded like some superstar LB that hasn't played in a year. "the Danny" is the Owner of the Greatest Sport Team on the planet (one of the most profitable too )- you have to treat him more like a previously well know player coming off IR but you can't afford a roster spot for him. You have to offer him a buy out You got a Billion plus laying around to kick in for this?

Here's my whole take on this....
This really isn't a story outside of the beltway. It's only a distraction inside and needs to be put to bed.
Lavar is a 3 time pro-bowler who missed most of last year and all of the off-season. You'd be hard pressed to find another player in the same circumstances last and this off-season that's starting for thier team after week 6.
The coaching staff has said the would bring Lavar along slowly and work him back into the mix. They have tried to do this. Lavar had a bad knee he says it's 100%, I have no reason to doubt him. Here's the thing...
You want to play him some at DE and he has been working at that spot in practice (while still working with the LBs). The schedule has Den and KC back to back - what did they do They brought the slot reciever down on either the OLB or the DE (do we want Lavar in that position at this time)
As far as special teams goes... We have starters from both sides of the ball playing teams ehy shouldn't he? It's the best way for someone that hasn't gone full speed for quite sometime to get thier wind back.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Man, that was a great post. I know you weren't replying to me but I felt compelled to answer the questions. A lot of times when you present someone with an intelligent rebuttle you do not reciprocate the same.(not speaking of the guy ur replying to)

Is anyone confused about who is calling the shots on personnel moves

No not really. Gibbs makes the calls. Brunell is back on the driver seat. <Gibbs Santana Moss for Coles < Gibbs 50/50 is gone <Gibbs Chris ey <Gibbs <Offensive Production < Gibbs

Where is the about face?

I haven't seen Gregg change anything as of yet. He said what he had to say and nothing has changed. Lavar still isn't playing for whatever reason that may be.

The schedule has Den and KC back to back - what did they do They brought the slot reciever down on either the OLB or the DE (do we want Lavar in that position at this time)

I dont. Let me repeat I DO NOT WANT LAVAR ARRINGTON IN COVERAGE. That is until the coaches feel that he is ready for it. #3 and most of the time #1 defense last year! A defense that has kept us in everygame this year! This not a highschool defense, the crap is complicated. Lavar is close to 2 years behind the ball in this defense. Studying the playbook doesn't teach you but so much. Lavar has time to make up and he doesn't need to play until he's up to speed.

As far as special teams goes... We have starters from both sides of the ball playing teams ehy shouldn't he? It's the best way for someone that hasn't gone full speed for quite sometime to get thier wind back.

Sean Taylor played special teams yesterday as did Rogers. Arrington isn't above either one of them in my book. You make a great point that he's not in football condition and thats 100% true. If Lavar is not traded in the offseason then I'd pretty much think he'd win the starting job if he stays healthy. Notice I said win and not get. Nobody gets anything with these old school coaches and I love it.

Respect is not given, its earned!

[redskincity]

Lets not forget like we always do around here that Marty used Lavar in a lot of coverage schemes and that year he didn't have the sacks that made him look as spectacular but he had his biggest year in tackle/takeaway ratio. He had three ints with 99 tackles that year and put us in position to turn that year around.

The dude is talented there is no denying that.

[skins81]

I still keep hoping he makes it on the field. 100 tackles is a nice thing to have. I wish he would just shut his mouth, show it on the practice field and make it into the lineup.

<Gibbs Santana Moss for Coles < Gibbs 50/50 is gone <Gibbs Chris ey <Gibbs <Offensive Production < Gibbs

I could swear there is an equals sign missing somewhere

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

was he on the John Thompson Show today?

For some reason, no. Check back tomorrow.

Here's a recap of his 10/18/05 on-air interview...

- Would rather talk about the game than the other stuff; "everything else will work itself out."

-Team is learning to compete, and believing that they can win. No reason we shouldn’t be a 5-0 team.

- Talking “quarters”: 3-1 in 1st quarter; 0-1 in 2nd quarter of season.

- Lack of INTs/turnovers is due to Qbs throwin’ balls away, since defense is coming at ‘em. Offense are max protecting their Qbs against the Skins’ defense.

- Commented on Joe’s outburst re: media: Joe trying to avoid giving other team locker room material.

- Defense is making weekly adjustments to avoid same mistakes.

- Told to “Smokin’Al”: “Don’t do it”(ask about his lack of playing time).

- Doesn’t think media obligations come back to bite him in the rear. Does not think he makes comments that are disparaging to the team and organization. Doesn’t affect the tpe of player he is, or his preparation for the games.

- “Old School” coaches wouldn’t have players doin’ interviews. He plays for an old school coach. The only reason he does media is to “give fans an opportunity to get another side of who I am.”

- Played on Special Teams last week because someone got ill; his number was called.

- Felt like a kid again, when his number was called. Playing full time again would be “a blessing.”

- To beat the Niners, they have to control TOP, and TO ratio. “We have the makings of a serious team here.”

- END--

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

I may have missed it in a different thread, but I'm surprised that no one has commented on this article. ¿Qué pasa?

Arrington Facing 4th and 'So Long'?
Rift Between Redskins and Once-Beloved Linebacker May Be Irreparable

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 16, 2005

He marched from one damp end of the sideline to the other, often standing alone in his unblemished uniform while a frenetic football game unfolded before him. Eventually, the helmet came off, and unused linebacker LaVar Arrington procured a more permanent residence atop a water cooler, draped in a coat as the chilling rain fell from the Rocky Mountain sky.

The linebacker tried to remain upbeat last Sunday afternoon, greeting teammates with an animated fist bump during substitutions. But for the first time in his career, Arrington was benched for an entire game -- the Washington Redskins' 21-19 loss to Denver -- when he was healthy enough to play. To his ardent supporters, and there are a great many in these parts, the scene had the air of a public humiliation and detracted from the joy of Washington's surprising 3-1 start.

Gradually, a love affair between player and team has deteriorated into a shattered relationship full of contradicting statements. Arrington, 27, the second overall pick in the 2000 draft and a three-time Pro Bowl pick, is the highest-paid spare part in the NFL going into today's game in Kansas City, having endured a precipitous drop in stature unseen in Washington sports. Arguably no athlete this popular has fallen so far, so fast without a severe injury or an obvious decline in performance. The development baffles many fans, and intrigue about the situation remains high as the player who was once the face of the organization now has the starring role in a weekly soap opera.

"You've got a young guy who has been to three straight Pro Bowls, and he's healthy, and he never gets into the game," one NFL general manager said. "Boy, I've never heard of that. I'm sure there are some subplots going on there, but I've been in this league a long time, and that's a new one for me. I think that's pretty unheard of."

How did it come to this? Interviews with former and current players, coaches and sources around the league provide a portrait of a player who might have fallen out of favor with coaches because of the reckless playing style and candor that made him so popular with fans. Those close to Arrington see something more sinister, a vendetta by the Redskins because of a recently settled financial dispute.

Although the season is young, an amicable resolution appears unlikely after a tense week of charges and countercharges. Arrington said he is resigned to his plight, and eventually the Redskins could very well wind up jettisoning a player who in 2003 received an eight-year, $68 million contract extension that made him among the highest-paid players in the history of the NFL.

It's a bit long, but you can read the rest here.

[HEROHAMO]

We want Lavar we want Lavar We want lavar.

[The Hogster]

Arrington skipped his weekly radio show this week, I hope that is a good sign that he is crawling slowly out of the dog house.

In all likelihood he will be gone next year, but I can tell you that Fed Ex will erupt when he marches out onto that field (if that ...ever happens)

[(d)oink]

I liked the way the post article ended. Lavar needs to step up a liitle more and coaches need to get him in in certain situations (3rd and long).

Let's try that.

[deathtothe'boys]

Lavar will be a cowboy next yr...i jus see it happening the tuna loves big LBs.. hope im wrong

[SkinsLaVar]

Lavar will be a cowboy next yr...i jus see it happening the tuna loves big LBs.. hope im wrong

yeh dog wut r u smokin