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Totally agree on that point, CrazyH.

Favre has the Jets on the verge of the playoffs. Miami is playing good. Both of those teams were horrendous last year.

Their QBs are definetly part of the turnaround equation.

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:I hate this ride and die with JC crap, if we ditched him last year, like we should have, we could have had Chad Pennington, or Brett Favre. Like Brett or not, he is a winner, the Jets went from 4-12 to to playoff contender and winning record.

Think of Chad Pennington in the west coast offense, and he is already familiar with Santana Moss. They played together in New York.

Not only that, but if Chad can take the 1-15 Dolphins and turn them into a playoff contender, what do you think he would have done with the Skins?

But instead we decide to ride and die with JC. Learn from the past cut him loose, and lets bring in someone else.

Favre barely has more yards than JC and has 13 more interceptions. As far as Pennington goes, I don't think anyone wanted to bring in a guy who spends 90% of his career on IR.

Favre also has 21 td's, and he turned his team around from 4-12 to at wrost 9-7.

Chad turned his team around from 1-15 to at wrost 10-6. He is better than JC, and now he is fully healed.

Would you seriously want JC behind the center over Favre or Pennington? If so I want you to say JC is better than Brett or Chad Pennington.

JC is playing better than Favre this year but in general i would take Favre. This is a rare occasion Pennington is healthy, I def would not have wasted money on him. In fact, the dolphins were the only team desperate enough to spend money on him and they got lucky.

this has to be a joke

No, not a joke. Considering they are about even in yards and campbell is ahead in QB rating and TD/INT ratio, Campbell is actually doing better than favre. Not that Campbell is doing great, but favre isn't either. Believe me, i know, he was on my fantasy team. The odds of Pennington having the kind of year he is having were about 1 in a million in the beginning of the season, props to him, but Miami got lucky.

Bill Parcells has too good of a track record, to say he got lucky. Second of all, fantasy does not mean jack. Campbell is not having a good year, he had a string of four good games. Favre has been consistent.

Favre does not have the weapons around him that JC does. Coles is his best Wr. Moss is far better. Favre also does not have a Te near the status of ey. JC's two best targets are better than Favre's best one.

Third of all, Portis is far better than any rb in the Favre backfield. Numbers are decieving. JC is not as good as Favre, and looking at team turnaround, there's no comparison Favre is better than JC.

By the way Favre also doesn't have a top 5 D supporting him. JC numbers maybe similar but his supporting cast is far stronger, than Bretts.

First off, Cotchery is better than Coles, who is as good or better than Moss. Just like Coles, Moss has lost a step vertically and is only good as a 2nd type receiver. Except Coles has great hands and doesn't get muscled out of his routes.

Secondly, The jets have had a good running game in every game this season, as opposed to the skins, who had a great running game for half the season and had no running game at all the second half of the season.

Thirdly, Favre is a legend and in general is better than JC but is not having a better year statistically whatsoever.

Also, the Redskins may have the worst offensive line in football while the Jets may have the best offensive line in football.

Dear Santa Claus,

Please kill this thread

Fios wrote:Dear Santa Claus,

Please kill this thread

51 pages! Good thing there's "no" quarterback controversy...

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:I hate this ride and die with JC crap, if we ditched him last year, like we should have, we could have had Chad Pennington, or Brett Favre. Like Brett or not, he is a winner, the Jets went from 4-12 to to playoff contender and winning record.

Think of Chad Pennington in the west coast offense, and he is already familiar with Santana Moss. They played together in New York.

Not only that, but if Chad can take the 1-15 Dolphins and turn them into a playoff contender, what do you think he would have done with the Skins?

But instead we decide to ride and die with JC. Learn from the past cut him loose, and lets bring in someone else.

Favre barely has more yards than JC and has 13 more interceptions. As far as Pennington goes, I don't think anyone wanted to bring in a guy who spends 90% of his career on IR.

Favre also has 21 td's, and he turned his team around from 4-12 to at wrost 9-7.

Chad turned his team around from 1-15 to at wrost 10-6. He is better than JC, and now he is fully healed.

Would you seriously want JC behind the center over Favre or Pennington? If so I want you to say JC is better than Brett or Chad Pennington.

JC is playing better than Favre this year but in general i would take Favre. This is a rare occasion Pennington is healthy, I def would not have wasted money on him. In fact, the dolphins were the only team desperate enough to spend money on him and they got lucky.

I am trying to get back on track after I took almost a week off from the site, so I picked this as the most idiotic post since my departure.

Jets have scored nearly 150 MORE POINTS than the skins have this year. Favre is having a way better season than JC. There is a reason he made the pro bowl. This one is laughable. Oh here we go:

JC shouldn't even be permitted to be mentioned in the same sentence as Favre.

Countertrey wrote:

Fios wrote:Dear Santa Claus,

Please kill this thread

51 pages! Good thing there's "no" quarterback controversy...

Are you serious. What other positions does TGN have. Do they have a front office position that permits THN to issue press releases which determine whether or not there is a "controversy" or not on behalf of Snyder and Zorn. Get real. Good laugh to bring me back into this.

Also, if you read this, it is mainly a back and forth between myself, John, and the rest of the staff here that loves JC and, theoretically would love to see the skins ride into mediocrity.

Fios wrote:Dear Santa Claus,

Please kill this thread

Dear Santa,

All I would like for Christmas is for the redskins to get a QB that will average over 10 points per game.

Countertrey wrote:

Now, if Zorn is actually willing to honor the term "open," then I'll be content with his decision.

And, if he's not? You going to fire him?

No he wouldn't but you should put in a good word for him.

After all, THN has the ability to determine whether or not there is a QB controversy.

welch wrote:Campbell looks like a good, but not yet great, QB. Good enough if he has blockers, runners, and receivers. That's not a joke: no QB is supposed to carry a team.

Watching Campbell work, I see a better QB than last year, and he was better last year than when he first started.

That's improvement.

This team needs better OL, and at least one more WR. \

Obviously from "staff".

Sorry brad, I didn't see this one. This is the most idiotic post since last week. It is so wrong on so many levels. The excuses provided for JC are so ridiculous. All I hear is "well guys, if JC had a pro bowler at every position on offense, he could be a "good" QB. I think that is what we should focus on. If he is still horrible, we should get rid of our defense to be more accomodating. Also, I believe that he should get at least 8 years to develp. That is the least we could do for him." Man, what a joke. I apologize, brad.

One more time:

welch wrote:
For the team's sake, fix the things that need fixing, and leave those that are good enough.

Oh man, I can't get over this post. It is hilarious. Thank God you aren't our GM. With posts like this, I would be happy with Vinny boy.

I love it when QBs are "good enough". That is the best way to win. Especially when the QB position is the most important in the game. As long as our centerpiece is "good enough", we are defintely going to be awesome.

And what is your definition of "good enough". I don't consider 12 TDs a season as "good enough". Nor do I think that a 10 point per game average is "good enough". Your "good enough" definition is the most liberal I have ever seen in history.

One more time for S&Gs:



What a post. This should be put in the HOF of posts.

markshark84 wrote:

welch wrote:Campbell looks like a good, but not yet great, QB. Good enough if he has blockers, runners, and receivers. That's not a joke: no QB is supposed to carry a team.

Watching Campbell work, I see a better QB than last year, and he was better last year than when he first started.

That's improvement.

This team needs better OL, and at least one more WR. \

Obviously from "staff".

Why do you say that? Because they are statements that can be back up with stats? Because he didn't slant his post with opinion?

markshark84 wrote:Sorry brad, I didn't see this one. This is the most idiotic post since last week. It is so wrong on so many levels. The excuses provided for JC are so ridiculous. All I hear is "well guys, if JC had a pro bowler at every position on offense, he could be a "good" QB. I think that is what we should focus on. If he is still horrible, we should get rid of our defense to be more accomodating. Also, I believe that he should get at least 8 years to develp. That is the least we could do for him." Man, what a joke. I apologize, brad.

I re-read the thread and didn't see anything about needing pro bowlers, and the fact is Campbell plays behind a aging O-line and the recievers that have been brought in since Jason got here have not been able to lighten the load for Moss, ey helped but Moss won't be able to play forever.

markshark84 wrote:One more time:

Yeah take another shout at it, ever post on this subject can't be as pointless and full of nothing as you last one, Brad must be give you pointers.

Fios wrote:

Fios wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Oh, sorry. Still getting a kick out of the VC reference. As if his opinion is one of worth. I'm still waiting for an Isaih reference. I would love one. What does Isaih think of JC. If he is a go, it is FACT that JC is the best QB in the NFL right now.

Who is Isaih?

markshark84 wrote:Seriously though, I think that what you are missing completely is the fact that JC has shown absolutely NO improvement and even CONSIDERING him to be potentially a championship-caliber QB is idiotic and boarders on insanity. He sites fumbles???? What???? I care about points scored, passing yards, passing rating, you know --- the stats that MATTER. The funniest part is the "how do you know" quote. Priceless. I swear VC is a straight up baffoon.

First, if you want to call someone a buffoon you should, you know, spell it correctly. Secondly, this:

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasoncampbel ... =CAM375235

You'll note his passer rating, completion percentage and yards have gone up -- also known as improved -- each year. I know though, it's easier to engage in hyperbole than actual facts. Note, I'm not saying I think the world of JC, in fact I think his ceiling is lower than I did at the start of the season. But you said: "I care about points scored, passing yards, passing rating, you know --- the stats that MATTER." and then failed to note the improvement in 2 of the 3 stats that MATTER.

still waiting for a reply

Sorry soda cup, I've been out for a bit; I don't live on this cite like some other people....... The holidays get in the way sometimes.

Sorry about the misspellings --- I thought this was a mesasgeboard. I have an admin that corrects my spelling at work. I am, however, young enough where spell check was around when I was a kid. I commend you old timers for still valuing spelling, but in REALITY it doesn't matter. Thanks though, for that. I am appreciative of your efforts to correct my spelling. Good for you, big guy. Maybe you can start spell checking my memos at work.

But in terms of the stats. JC still sucks in all of them. He is still averaging 10 points per game and is a below average QB in this league.

Never said anything about completion percentage, so that is irrelevent. Whey did you bring somethign up that was irrelevent? Probably the same reason for bringing up spelling.

Passer rating is improved because he is in the WCO offense --- an offense that historically increases a QB's passer rating. That is well documented. When half your passes are 5 yard dump offs, it is tough to throw a huge amount of interceptions.

Passing yards have been increased because this is his first full season as the QB. If you take his average, the yards are similar --- actually they may be less on a per game basis. At least this is from ESPN. Maybe they are wrong.

And points per game, as you have stated are lower than in his previous years.

SO WHERE IS THE IMPROVEMENT MY FRIEND???????

Stop looking at the surface and start to actually include some analysis. Don't just blindly look at the stats. The only thing you said that made sense was that JC has a lower ceiling than you previously thought.

Where you really asking for this???

1niksder wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

welch wrote:Campbell looks like a good, but not yet great, QB. Good enough if he has blockers, runners, and receivers. That's not a joke: no QB is supposed to carry a team.

Watching Campbell work, I see a better QB than last year, and he was better last year than when he first started.

That's improvement.

This team needs better OL, and at least one more WR. \

Obviously from "staff".

Why do you say that? Because they are statements that can be back up with stats? Because he didn't slant his post with opinion?

markshark84 wrote:Sorry brad, I didn't see this one. This is the most idiotic post since last week. It is so wrong on so many levels. The excuses provided for JC are so ridiculous. All I hear is "well guys, if JC had a pro bowler at every position on offense, he could be a "good" QB. I think that is what we should focus on. If he is still horrible, we should get rid of our defense to be more accomodating. Also, I believe that he should get at least 8 years to develp. That is the least we could do for him." Man, what a joke. I apologize, brad.

I re-read the thread and didn't see anything about needing pro bowlers, and the fact is Campbell plays behind a aging O-line and the recievers that have been brought in since Jason got here have not been able to lighten the load for Moss, ey helped but Moss won't be able to play forever.

markshark84 wrote:One more time:

Yeah take another shout at it, ever post on this subject can't be as pointless and full of nothing as you last one, Brad must be give you pointers.

I think that the entire staff has joined in now. Sorry inkster. I just don't have enough time to include you in on this. Besides, you didn't actually make a counter-point in the post. Maybe in another thread we can have at it, but I already have 4-5 "staff" JC homers. I don't need another one.

You bore me, I'm done with you

Fios wrote:You bore me, I'm done with you

He won't get it... I don't think he knows what "bore" means when it's spelled correctly.

Countertrey wrote:

Fios wrote:You bore me, I'm done with you

He won't get it... I don't think he knows what "bore" means when it's spelled correctly.

I also didn't use enough emoticons

markshark84 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

welch wrote:Campbell looks like a good, but not yet great, QB. Good enough if he has blockers, runners, and receivers. That's not a joke: no QB is supposed to carry a team.

Watching Campbell work, I see a better QB than last year, and he was better last year than when he first started.

That's improvement.

This team needs better OL, and at least one more WR. \

Obviously from "staff".

Why do you say that? Because they are statements that can be back up with stats? Because he didn't slant his post with opinion?

markshark84 wrote:Sorry brad, I didn't see this one. This is the most idiotic post since last week. It is so wrong on so many levels. The excuses provided for JC are so ridiculous. All I hear is "well guys, if JC had a pro bowler at every position on offense, he could be a "good" QB. I think that is what we should focus on. If he is still horrible, we should get rid of our defense to be more accomodating. Also, I believe that he should get at least 8 years to develp. That is the least we could do for him." Man, what a joke. I apologize, brad.

I re-read the thread and didn't see anything about needing pro bowlers, and the fact is Campbell plays behind a aging O-line and the recievers that have been brought in since Jason got here have not been able to lighten the load for Moss, ey helped but Moss won't be able to play forever.

markshark84 wrote:One more time:

Yeah take another shout at it, ever post on this subject can't be as pointless and full of nothing as you last one, Brad must be give you pointers.

I think that the entire staff has joined in now. Sorry inkster. I just don't have enough time to include you in on this. Besides, you didn't actually make a counter-point in the post. Maybe in another thread we can have at it, but I already have 4-5 "staff" JC homers. I don't need another one.

I not a JC homer and I'm not trying to join the debate but if you are going to debate than you should ADD something to it, Making statements that have no substance is a wait of everyone's time. Like a lot of fans I'm still undecided on on JC but everything needs to be considered as he comes up on his last year of his contract. I was looking for how you reached your opinion but you don't state anything that makes much sense so I can only guess you got it from another member I'm also guessing it was a non staff member. Really doesn't matter now.

Not one to correct spelling but how do you quote me and spell my username wrong in the same post?

markshark84 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:I hate this ride and die with JC crap, if we ditched him last year, like we should have, we could have had Chad Pennington, or Brett Favre. Like Brett or not, he is a winner, the Jets went from 4-12 to to playoff contender and winning record.

Think of Chad Pennington in the west coast offense, and he is already familiar with Santana Moss. They played together in New York.

Not only that, but if Chad can take the 1-15 Dolphins and turn them into a playoff contender, what do you think he would have done with the Skins?

But instead we decide to ride and die with JC. Learn from the past cut him loose, and lets bring in someone else.

Favre barely has more yards than JC and has 13 more interceptions. As far as Pennington goes, I don't think anyone wanted to bring in a guy who spends 90% of his career on IR.

Favre also has 21 td's, and he turned his team around from 4-12 to at wrost 9-7.

Chad turned his team around from 1-15 to at wrost 10-6. He is better than JC, and now he is fully healed.

Would you seriously want JC behind the center over Favre or Pennington? If so I want you to say JC is better than Brett or Chad Pennington.

JC is playing better than Favre this year but in general i would take Favre. This is a rare occasion Pennington is healthy, I def would not have wasted money on him. In fact, the dolphins were the only team desperate enough to spend money on him and they got lucky.

I am trying to get back on track after I took almost a week off from the site, so I picked this as the most idiotic post since my departure.

Jets have scored nearly 150 MORE POINTS than the skins have this year. Favre is having a way better season than JC. There is a reason he made the pro bowl. This one is laughable. Oh here we go:

JC shouldn't even be permitted to be mentioned in the same sentence as Favre.

Thats why campbell has a better quarterback rating and td/int ratio than favre this year, because he is playing worse than favre.

Favre made the pro bowl because the voters are idiots. You can't throw 20 interceptions and only about 22 or so td's and make the pro bowl. And Rivers, with the best qb rating in the NFL doesn't make it, WTF.

The Pro Bowl lost any relevance when Brady was not selected a couple of years ago - I am not a Brady fan but that showed how stupid and irrelevant this voting is.



The season is now over and the QB switch did not happen.


let the search for the new QB begin because I do not believe that Campbell is an effective QB - he has improved but he has showed me that he's just a good QB, not a great QB

actually I hope he's not even a part of this team next year - good luck Jason but not here

SkinsJock wrote:The Pro Bowl lost any relevance when Brady was not selected a couple of years ago - I am not a Brady fan but that showed how stupid and irrelevant this voting is.



The season is now over and the QB switch did not happen.


let the search for the new QB begin because I do not believe that Campbell is an effective QB - he has improved but he has showed me that he's just a good QB, not a great QB

actually I hope he's not even a part of this team next year - good luck Jason but not here

I don't know... I think he'd make a heck of a possession receiver.

brad7686 wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:I hate this ride and die with JC crap, if we ditched him last year, like we should have, we could have had Chad Pennington, or Brett Favre. Like Brett or not, he is a winner, the Jets went from 4-12 to to playoff contender and winning record.

Think of Chad Pennington in the west coast offense, and he is already familiar with Santana Moss. They played together in New York.

Not only that, but if Chad can take the 1-15 Dolphins and turn them into a playoff contender, what do you think he would have done with the Skins?

But instead we decide to ride and die with JC. Learn from the past cut him loose, and lets bring in someone else.

Favre barely has more yards than JC and has 13 more interceptions. As far as Pennington goes, I don't think anyone wanted to bring in a guy who spends 90% of his career on IR.

Favre also has 21 td's, and he turned his team around from 4-12 to at wrost 9-7.

Chad turned his team around from 1-15 to at wrost 10-6. He is better than JC, and now he is fully healed.

Would you seriously want JC behind the center over Favre or Pennington? If so I want you to say JC is better than Brett or Chad Pennington.

JC is playing better than Favre this year but in general i would take Favre. This is a rare occasion Pennington is healthy, I def would not have wasted money on him. In fact, the dolphins were the only team desperate enough to spend money on him and they got lucky.

I am trying to get back on track after I took almost a week off from the site, so I picked this as the most idiotic post since my departure.

Jets have scored nearly 150 MORE POINTS than the skins have this year. Favre is having a way better season than JC. There is a reason he made the pro bowl. This one is laughable. Oh here we go:

JC shouldn't even be permitted to be mentioned in the same sentence as Favre.

Thats why campbell has a better quarterback rating and td/int ratio than favre this year, because he is playing worse than favre.

Favre made the pro bowl because the voters are idiots. You can't throw 20 interceptions and only about 22 or so td's and make the pro bowl. And Rivers, with the best qb rating in the NFL doesn't make it, WTF.

Actually, Favre now has 22 picks after today.

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:I hate this ride and die with JC crap, if we ditched him last year, like we should have, we could have had Chad Pennington, or Brett Favre. Like Brett or not, he is a winner, the Jets went from 4-12 to to playoff contender and winning record.

Think of Chad Pennington in the west coast offense, and he is already familiar with Santana Moss. They played together in New York.

Not only that, but if Chad can take the 1-15 Dolphins and turn them into a playoff contender, what do you think he would have done with the Skins?

But instead we decide to ride and die with JC. Learn from the past cut him loose, and lets bring in someone else.

Favre barely has more yards than JC and has 13 more interceptions. As far as Pennington goes, I don't think anyone wanted to bring in a guy who spends 90% of his career on IR.

Favre also has 21 td's, and he turned his team around from 4-12 to at wrost 9-7.

Chad turned his team around from 1-15 to at wrost 10-6. He is better than JC, and now he is fully healed.

Would you seriously want JC behind the center over Favre or Pennington? If so I want you to say JC is better than Brett or Chad Pennington.

JC is playing better than Favre this year but in general i would take Favre. This is a rare occasion Pennington is healthy, I def would not have wasted money on him. In fact, the dolphins were the only team desperate enough to spend money on him and they got lucky.

this has to be a joke

No, not a joke. Considering they are about even in yards and campbell is ahead in QB rating and TD/INT ratio, Campbell is actually doing better than favre. Not that Campbell is doing great, but favre isn't either. Believe me, i know, he was on my fantasy team. The odds of Pennington having the kind of year he is having were about 1 in a million in the beginning of the season, props to him, but Miami got lucky.

Bill Parcells has too good of a track record, to say he got lucky. Second of all, fantasy does not mean jack. Campbell is not having a good year, he had a string of four good games. Favre has been consistent.

Favre does not have the weapons around him that JC does. Coles is his best Wr. Moss is far better. Favre also does not have a Te near the status of ey. JC's two best targets are better than Favre's best one.

Third of all, Portis is far better than any rb in the Favre backfield. Numbers are decieving. JC is not as good as Favre, and looking at team turnaround, there's no comparison Favre is better than JC.

By the way Favre also doesn't have a top 5 D supporting him. JC numbers maybe similar but his supporting cast is far stronger, than Bretts.

First off, Cotchery is better than Coles, who is as good or better than Moss. Just like Coles, Moss has lost a step vertically and is only good as a 2nd type receiver. Except Coles has great hands and doesn't get muscled out of his routes.

Secondly, The jets have had a good running game in every game this season, as opposed to the skins, who had a great running game for half the season and had no running game at all the second half of the season.

Thirdly, Favre is a legend and in general is better than JC but is not having a better year statistically whatsoever.

Also, the Redskins may have the worst offensive line in football while the Jets may have the best offensive line in football.

Okay Crotchery is better than Coles, but he is not better than Moss, who has had over 1000 yds. receiving, and is not as good as ey. The Jets line is nothing to write home about. The line is good enough for a Qb to play well under. Its JC thats the problem.

Most of our sacks are due to JC's lack of pocket awarness there not due to the line. Don't give me run blocking crap, they stuff men in the box because they know JC sucks. Looking at last year, I was watching a game when Collins came in the players played with so much more passion, its so obvious the rest of the players (judging by there body language, which doesn't lie) responded to Collins a lot more than JC. JC is not a leader and is horrible. Open competition next camp a new Qb vs Colt, that should be the open competition and lets get rid of JC. We know he sucks is going to fail.

brad7686 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:I hate this ride and die with JC crap, if we ditched him last year, like we should have, we could have had Chad Pennington, or Brett Favre. Like Brett or not, he is a winner, the Jets went from 4-12 to to playoff contender and winning record.

Think of Chad Pennington in the west coast offense, and he is already familiar with Santana Moss. They played together in New York.

Not only that, but if Chad can take the 1-15 Dolphins and turn them into a playoff contender, what do you think he would have done with the Skins?

But instead we decide to ride and die with JC. Learn from the past cut him loose, and lets bring in someone else.

Favre barely has more yards than JC and has 13 more interceptions. As far as Pennington goes, I don't think anyone wanted to bring in a guy who spends 90% of his career on IR.

Favre also has 21 td's, and he turned his team around from 4-12 to at wrost 9-7.

Chad turned his team around from 1-15 to at wrost 10-6. He is better than JC, and now he is fully healed.

Would you seriously want JC behind the center over Favre or Pennington? If so I want you to say JC is better than Brett or Chad Pennington.

JC is playing better than Favre this year but in general i would take Favre. This is a rare occasion Pennington is healthy, I def would not have wasted money on him. In fact, the dolphins were the only team desperate enough to spend money on him and they got lucky.

I am trying to get back on track after I took almost a week off from the site, so I picked this as the most idiotic post since my departure.

Jets have scored nearly 150 MORE POINTS than the skins have this year. Favre is having a way better season than JC. There is a reason he made the pro bowl. This one is laughable. Oh here we go:

JC shouldn't even be permitted to be mentioned in the same sentence as Favre.

Thats why campbell has a better quarterback rating and td/int ratio than favre this year, because he is playing worse than favre.

Favre made the pro bowl because the voters are idiots. You can't throw 20 interceptions and only about 22 or so td's and make the pro bowl. And Rivers, with the best qb rating in the NFL doesn't make it, WTF.

Actually, Favre now has 22 picks after today.

Favre's best weapon has around 800 yards, which is still less than ey and Moss. There line isn't any better than the Skins, I watched them play the Dolphins today.

Not only that Brett missed all of training camp, while learning a new offense; and with a wrose defense, finished with a 9-7 record while JC lead his team to 8-8.

You can say all the bs you want, which we all know isn't true. Even you know it. It still doesn't change the fact that we could have had Chad, he lead a team that went 1-15 to division champs, I don't see him complaining about his supporting cast. Unlike the loser Qb we have, he sucks it up and to quote Al Davis just win baby.

This whole its everyone else's fault is the talk of a loser, which is what we have with JC.

No one could hae a wrose supporting cast than Chad 1-15 last year, but good qb's make things happen. Chad was learning a brand new offense himself, something that hasn't been run in the modern NFL before.

How could he do this it takes at least a decade to learn a new offense and win.

Fios wrote:You bore me, I'm done with you

I know. It is tough when you cannot actually formulate an arguement to support your stance (after 53 F-ing pages) --- except that I have poor spelling --- which was fantastic. Way to make a relevent arguement. You are a true pro at this. Fortunetly for me, spell check is awesome for work and played a huge role in my law school exams..... . I am still waiting for you to make a LOGICAL arguement (based on what JC has actually accomplished in his career -- oh and going from worse to bad doesn't do it for me....) for why we should continue our investment in JC over the long run besides "we need an OL and additional wide receivers". Didn't our first two draft picks go to WRs? Still waiting....and probably will forever.

Later. Fios.