QB Verdict is in...

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:13 pm

Brunells turnovers are why we lose close games. I dont care if the Turnovers were fluke or not. They are still turnovers.

Patrick would have hit them receivers yesterday. Brew-Hell is the reason for our struggles on "O."

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:25 pm

Patrick would have hit them receivers yesterday. Brew-Hell is the reason for our struggles on "O."

I'll admit, it's been painful to watch Brunell play so far. However, while you see the batted balls (both incomplete passes and INT returns for TDs) Brunell throws, keep in mind that Ramsey, while he was the starter last year, led the league in batted balls at the line in a system that gave him more throwing options. Would he be less prone to throwing those same type of balls (batted passes, INTs) in THIS system, which relies on fewer receivers/throwing options that are more often than not covered because of our "predictability"?

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:37 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Patrick would have hit them receivers yesterday. Brew-Hell is the reason for our struggles on "O."

I'll admit, it's been painful to watch Brunell play so far. However, while you see the batted balls (both incomplete passes and INT returns for TDs) Brunell throws, keep in mind that Ramsey, while he was the starter last year, led the league in batted balls at the line in a system that gave him more throwing options. Would he be less prone to throwing those same type of balls (batted passes, INTs) in THIS system, which relies on fewer receivers/throwing options that are more often than not covered because of our "predictability"?

Yeah, but the guy who bats down Ramseys ball will have to take a play off because of the velocity :wink:

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:50 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Patrick would have hit them receivers yesterday. Brew-Hell is the reason for our struggles on "O."

I'll admit, it's been painful to watch Brunell play so far. However, while you see the batted balls (both incomplete passes and INT returns for TDs) Brunell throws, keep in mind that Ramsey, while he was the starter last year, led the league in batted balls at the line in a system that gave him more throwing options. Would he be less prone to throwing those same type of balls (batted passes, INTs) in THIS system, which relies on fewer receivers/throwing options that are more often than not covered because of our "predictability"?

Also with Brunnells mobility, this is the last guy whos balls should be batted. He is a vet and is suppose to know how to read, passing lanes. [-X

you know being mobile and all

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:59 pm

redskincity wrote:Also with Brunnells mobility, this is the last guy whos balls should be batted.

I agree. So far, he's been lucky and has gotten out of the games in one piece, but if they ever catch up to him, I think the league will have a new spokesperson for their Official ED product. :lol:

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:05 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
redskincity wrote:Also with Brunnells mobility, this is the last guy whos balls should be batted.

I agree. So far, he's been lucky and has gotten out of the games in one piece, but if they ever catch up to him, I think the league will have a new spokesperson for their Official ED product.

Yeah....I have have some timeshare property for Brunell to venture on while we try to win with Ramsey :wink:

I just hope the next two weeks, MB gets his timing down with our WRs. I mean he is only throwing the ball 30 yards over their heads.

Maybe the WRs need to just run faster. ROTFALMAO

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:06 pm

The waterboy is 0-for on the catch side. But Brunell hit him in the chest four times yesterday. He did jam a finger and is looking forward to the bye week. He's listed as questionable (feelings).:0)

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:15 pm

redskincity wrote: Maybe the WRs need to just run faster.

lmao, I never thought of that redskincity....mebbe the whole problem all along has been that our WRs are just too slow to keep up with Marks strong arm ROTFALMAO

that's the best line all week!!!

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:32 pm

The verdict is NOT in, in my opinion. All we need Brunell to do, at this point, is to "not lose".
Let the running game continue to develop, and give the man some more time to gel with his linemen, and they to he.
(This marks the first time I have ever typed the words "...and they to he" in a sentence.
I'm not sure it's correct usage, but you know what I mean.)

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:55 am

Brunell's throwing motion is slow, low and inaccurate. He's been around so long that he should always come over the top. the ball comes out about his neck-high. He double-triple and quadruple clutches every single throw - or the ball must weight 97 lbs...
Either way, Ramsey should be in the lineup at some point. Playing not to lose is fine - Ramsey can handoff 40 times. But Ramsey will get the ball to a reciever beyond 33 yards. I'm just tired of watching Brunell, it's painful.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:22 pm

reggiebrooks4life wrote:nevertheless....brunell gives us the best chance to win right now.

I'm not concerned with winning right now if it is at the expense of winning in the future. Brunell will be gone soon enough, and we will have to start Ramsey's education then. Why not get that out of the way now?

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:38 pm

1niksder wrote:
Redskins Rule wrote:Oops one more thing. Brunnell was pressured quite a few times by Chicago's Defensive Line. He had several batted balls AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, which one was picked off and returned the distanced.

You can't blame those on Brunell. At least I can't.

Actualy Brunell can be blamed for most of these...He's not looking off the recievers so the defense is just wayching him and they know where he's going with the ball, then it's just a meyyer of timing their jump to bat down the ball or tip tip it jn the air so it can be intercepted. The pressure is not is fault althogh he could shorten he seven step drop to seven steps instead of 10

You're absolutely right 1nik, he stares at his intended receiver the entire play.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:13 pm

The education process began a few months ago and will continue until the coaches think he is going to give them the best chance to win.

They may be listening to the wishes of some on this web site, but IMO they should do what they think is best.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:35 pm

I totally agree. Brunell has not been good under pressure and three turvovers that each have been returned for points to the opposing teams.These turnovers have come in critical situations for example against the Ravens we where up Ten to zero Brunell drops back and fumbles Ed Reed returns it for a touchdown.The momentum swing was huge.On the very next kick off the Ravens return one for a Td. I got to think we need Ramsey in there. He gives us the Best chance to win. I wouldnt even mind Hasselback in there. At least he takes shots downfeild. And another thing Brunell is a lefty and his blindside protection is coming from our right tackle.So he doesnt benefit from I beleive a first year right tackle.Maybe a double tight end formation will help with protection. Give the qb a little sense of security in terms of protection. A little peice of mind goes a long way.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:15 pm

As Popeye would say, "I've had all I can stands, and I can't stands no more." For all of you Brunell supporters, I'll throw you a bone...He does give us the best chance not to lose. However, Ramsey would give us the best chance to win. :hmm:

Think about it for a litle while. It DOES make total sense.

Brunell does read defenses better, at least I think he does, than Ramsey, but NOBODY cares on te defensive side. They stack the box all day long because he can't throw the ball, even if he sees a WIDE OPEN COLES FOR A TD.

A lot of you are saying give him time...Ummmm, I think we have. Six games as a starter, EXCLUDING preseason and he still can't get it done and we only have 2 wins to show for it. I mean really...our D dives up 3 pts last week and we have a 171 yd rusher and we only score 13 pts????? Are you freaking kidding me????

Gibbs has to make the change now or we will have no shot at the playoffs. Give Patrick te job and te reps and let's see where that takes us. It can't be any worse, honestly.

Note my sig :wink:

gregory smith · Post by **gregory smith** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:56 pm

I agree with Champsturf. Hey, Craig I'm sorry my son taped over the Brown's game, Cardinal Baseball, go figure.

njskinsfan · Post by **njskinsfan** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:56 pm

Redskins Rule ....this is the same offense that was run in Jacksonville so he has been in this system for over a decade this is a big reason why we got him. The verbage is diffrent but the system IS the same.

Yankee's suck

njskinsfan · Post by **njskinsfan** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:59 pm

Reggiebrooksforlife... we are 2-4 ???? Brunell gives us the best chance of winning??? He has not thrown for over 100 yds. in the last two games !!! Are you serious ???

Yankee's suck