Kerry and Edwards ticket

[surferskin]

That was pretty clever Spurrier....mixing my words around to throw an insult my way.

My question still remains though. Does it? or Doesn't it?

i'd probably put my money on the Yale graduate...by the way, what college did you graduate from redskins rule or maybe i should ask when/if you graduate high school where do you plan to attend?

[Brandon777]

Alright. It seems fair enough. You and I are not going to agree, which is clear, and neither of us are going to be able to convince the other that he's incorrect. I respect your opinions, though I think they are misguided, and we'll see how the election turns out on November 2nd.

Fair enough. I feel your opinions are misguided, but you respect my comments, so I'll respect yours.

[Steve Spurrier III]

That was pretty clever Spurrier....mixing my words around to throw an insult my way.

I didn't mix any words. You are questioning Bush's spelling abilities, but in your post you spell "cool" "kewl". I just made the observation that your spelling abilities leave a lot to be desired as well.

By the way, have you ever heard Bush spell anything? Of course you haven't. You are drawing the conclusion that he can't spell from the fact that he occasionally stumbles over his words. In case you didn't know, public speaking is a skill which has nothing to do with spelling abilities.

But I suppose if you could have things your way, you would want David Tidmarsh to be President...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/Wate ... 604-1.html

[NC43Hog]

SSIII, I think kewl may have been intentional. Sorta like the elongated key-ou-al.

Can you believe spelling bees are on ESPN - that's is one interesting sport.

Granted you can't judge a spelling contest by listening to someone speak. I would say Bush usually picks incorrect words, mispronounces words and doesn't always use proper sentence structure. However, I am sure he is a nice guy and intelligent, but this doesn't help convey that to the public.

And, I don't want a personal comparison, but I would want better from my President - or at least his speech writers. Maybe they are cringing on the sidelines.

And so you don't think I can't pick on Kerry - he is just boring. Hope he gets some "pep" before Nov. election.

[Steve Spurrier III]

The "kewl" probably was intentional, although I'm not sure how much better that makes it.

Bush just tries too hard, and I'm sure once he makes a mistake he starts thinking about that mistake and before he knows it, he's made another. It's very hard to be in front of so many people so often, and God knows I couldn't do it...

[Brandon777]

The "kewl" probably was intentional, although I'm not sure how much better that makes it.

Bush just tries too hard, and I'm sure once he makes a mistake he starts thinking about that mistake and before he knows it, he's made another. It's very hard to be in front of so many people so often, and God knows I couldn't do it...

That's true. I remember when I was in business college. I did very well in learning the concepts and taking my exams, but I hated public speaking. I would get nervous as hell when I had to make a speech. Sometimes my speeches were good, but other times I was a deer in headlights. Public speaking is not my forte. Just imagine how Bush feels, getting up their when 90% of the multi-media are scrutinizing every little detail of his speech so they can find reasons to crucify his character. That's pressure.

[curveball]

This is just another example of someone falling for the Democratic party's strategy (with the help of the media) of portraying every Republican presidential candidate over the past 30 years as lacking in the intelligence department.

One has to laugh at times at the flip-flopping between Bush being a complete moron and an evil genius who's conspiring to control the world's oil supply.

Does anyone realize how few people hold degrees from both Harvard and Yale?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Maybe it's because of my support for PResident Bush, but it seems that this election is different from elections in years past, with regards to unbalanced media promotion.

If Kerry sneezes, there he is on the cover of Time. If he passes gas, it's seen as a breakthrough in alternative fuels. If his botox sessions remove another wrinkle, he's on Larry King to show it off.

I guess what I am saying is that the media is trumpeting this guy as a shoe-in for the presidency. He's on, what seems like, every cover of every magazine, and rarely is anything negative said about him, unless one of his oponents said it.

The whole concept of "Bush didn't quite pan out, let's get someone -- anyone -- else in there to see what he/she can do" seems like an oversimplification of this election. It's unfortunate that too many voters will be affected by this type of thinking.

BTW- There was a quote in TIME where Kerry stated that the Democratic ticket (with the addition of Edwards) now has better hair than the Republican ticket (BUSH-CHENEY). What gives?

[Redskins Rule]

I guess what I am saying is that the media is trumpeting this guy as a shoe-in for the presidency. He's on, what seems like, every cover of every magazine, and rarely is anything negative said about him, unless one of his oponents said it.

The whole concept of "Bush didn't quite pan out, let's get someone -- anyone -- else in there to see what he/she can do" seems like an oversimplification of this election. It's unfortunate that too many voters will be affected by this type of thinking.

Hey Redeemedskin......I had to hear it last election. The Clinton jokes doubled when election was getting close. I would hear nothing but praise for Bush and nothing but a bash for Gore. DEAL WITH IT!!!!!! I dealt with it when you guys were bashing my president elect.

And Bush not panning out is what alot of Americans are saying, not just the news.

[DEHog]

Because that's what they want to make this election about...hair...??

I could not beleive the 60 min. interveiw Sunday night. It was as if Edwards had to rescue Kerry every other question.

It is truly amazing how the media impacts elections, it's 1991 all over again, except this time we have movies. The danger with the movies is that some "voters" will actually based their vote after seeing it?? :

I'm to the point now that I want to see Kerry win, the President doesn't hold that much power. It will be fun to critique Kerry.
I truly beleive we are better off with a Dem. in the white house and a Rep. lead congress. It will also keep Hillary from running in 2008!!

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Hey Redeemedskin......I had to hear it last election. The Clinton jokes doubled when election was getting close. I would hear nothing but praise for Bush and nothing but a bash for Gore. DEAL WITH IT!!!!!! I dealt with it when you guys were bashing my president elect.

Easy there, stallion. Honestly, I don't recall them being to the degree that they've escalated now. It's brutal.

[NikiH]

I am completely shocked here. You guys insult men doing jobs you could not possibly do, that takes alot of guts. Like it or not George W Bush is our president, and I don't think anyone who hasn't done his job should have the right to critize him. I have held back my opinion of Kerry pretty much until now. I think he is a politician. Plain and simple he changes his mind to get votes and hell he tries to change his past to get votes.
I like that Bush has issues with public speaking, I know I would in the same forum. This man has the weight of the US on his shoulders. He deserves to stumble with a word every now and then. I think that people who listen to much to the selective media without forming their own opinion are the same ones likely to change their votes come November. So I'm hoping it's not even close in favor of Bush!

[joebagadonuts]

man, i am so sick of hearing the 'liberal media' excuse. back in 2000, did you hear about gore saying he 'invented the internet' (which is a false quote, by the way)? i certainly did. the press was all over him, labeling him as an exaggerator. did you hear about how gore and clinton were 'fighting' about how clinton was impacting the campaign? yup.

now, did you hear about bush's supposed cocaine use? maybe a little. did you hear about his three arrests? not too much. did you hear about cheney's two arrests for drunk driving? i didn't.

if you don't believe me, see the below link. it's a study by a neutral (and highly respected) research group, and claims that more negative attention was given to gore than bush.
http://www.journalism.org/resources/res ... efault.asp

also, editor & publisher magazine reported in their november 2nd, 2000 issue that bush-endorsing papers accounted for 58% of all national circulation. doesn't sound like a bias to me.

what it does sound like is republicans crying 'liberal media!' every time there is a criticism of the president. that cry deflects the attention from what was actually said or done, and places it on to how evil liberals are attempting to distort the truth. after a while, it gets a bit tiring.

[NikiH]

Ok Joe I like you so I'm not going to jump on you here, but do you really think he cannot spell?? Or are you going somewhere else with that?? I think alot of republicans are touchy because of the 9/11 movie. I've read alot about it and actually saw an interview with a senator on one of the news channels. The senator said the completely chopped up his answers and placed them where he wanted them. That makes me disregard everything in this movie. I am voting for Bush but to me it's an easy choice. I agree with most of what he stands for and I've yet to hear what Kerry stands for, unless you count being against Bush. And in my mind that little info about a canidate months before the election means they are not my type of politician.

[tsaler]

I am completely shocked here. You guys insult men doing jobs you could not possibly do, that takes alot of guts. Like it or not George W Bush is our president, and I don't think anyone who hasn't done his job should have the right to critize him.

That's total BS. Our country is founded on the ability to criticize our leaders. We have the right to criticize whomever we want whenever we want. And maybe some of us could possibly do the job, so how would you know?

[NikiH]

First of all tsaler don't attack me. I have the right to my opinion just as much as you do. I was taught respect when I was growing up. And the president of the United States is a position, in my opinion that deserves respect. I didn't walk around calling Clinton a cheater when he was in office for this very reason. I hated Clinton but I never once would have disrespected him while he was our president. And I know that regardless of anyones ability I don't see tsaler on the ballot and I don't see my name on the ballot. So to me that means we have no idea what it takes or what it doesn't take to be president.

[tsaler]

First of all tsaler don't attack me.

I did not.

I have the right to my opinion just as much as you do.

Absolutely.

I was taught respect when I was growing up. And the president of the United States is a position, in my opinion that deserves respect. I didn't walk around calling Clinton a cheater when he was in office for this very reason. I hated Clinton but I never once would have disrespected him while he was our president.

That's good to hear.

And I know that regardless of anyones ability I don't see tsaler on the ballot and I don't see my name on the ballot. So to me that means we have no idea what it takes or what it doesn't take to be president.

No idea? Really now. So when Jack Grimes, the United Fascist League's only member and candidate for President, ends up on the ballot, he now has an idea of what it takes or doesn't take to be President? I didn't know ballot access meant you knew what it takes to do the job.

[JansenFan]

You can criticize the president if you wish. That is your prerogative. You can also support your candidate for president how ever you wish. That being said, being a political activist means you are very involved in your party and therefore, tells me that your views are going to be slanted toward the betterment of that party. Right or wrong, you will fight for your party. Good for you. My aunt is an elected Republican Central Committee member as was my Grandmother and my Great-Grandmother. They all preach that the Republican party is always right, just as you are doing for the Democratic party. Normal people who are not wrapped up in their own political party, have to rely on their beliefs and individual views and pick the candidate that most represents what they believe in. I believe that people should stand for what they believe in and what they think is right. I think that President Bush did what he thought was right after September 11th. It's easy to second guess that now. Personally, I watch fox news because it is slanted towards the conservative point of view. Other networks such as CNN and MSNBC are slanted towards the liberal view point. There is no denying that there is "liberal media", just as there is "conservative media". The argument can also be made that liberals read the Washington Post while conservatives read the Washington Times. No story is written or broadcast without the writers personal views coming forth. It's just not possible. Even as a computer programmer, I write my instructions how I feel people using my product should be able to follow the instructions.

I do think that the news reports the bad news more than the good news. I think there is more good than bad in Iraq right now, but good doesn't get ratings. Unfortunately, people tend to take the opinions that they have heard or seen or read, instead or hearing, seeing and reading and forming their own opinion. You have to really dig to read about the schools and the electricity and all of the good things that have taken place. If you watch the news you might think that all Iraqis hate us and want us out, but that is just not the case. Most of the people fighting us aren't even from Iraq.

As far as the economy is concerned, my personal experience is that number 1 the economy took a major hit on 9-11 and number 2, it is getting better. My company was posturing for an IPO on September 10th. We had been profitable for an entire year, and we have not been profitable since. we went from around 400 employees to about 150. But in the last 6 months or so, people are starting to get jobs that were previously laid off and out of work. The stock market is steadily improving, and companies are starting to hire again. They are starting to buy things and expand. Things are looking up and it is the tax cuts that started it all. People got that extra money and spent it. Companies made more money and started hiring people. Not to mention with the low interest rates, more people are buying houses and cars.

As far as this war is concerned, if we back out now, we will have lost. The terrorists will be all over the place telling people how they ran us out of Iraq, which will in turn help in recruiting more people and as a result will be more apt to stage more attacks and kill more innocent Americans.

I guess the bottom line for me is, do I want John Kerry or George Bush as president, and I have to go with the man who stands up for his beliefs. I don't care if he mumbles incoherently. It's better than the "flip-flop kid". I don't want a person who votes for something and then says later that his views are the exact opposite. That's my opinion. No one has to like it, but that's the way I see it.

[NikiH]

I guess my point was unless you are putting yourself out there like the canidates do, then maybe your judgement is unwarranted. I don't want to fight with you about politics. I know if you and Brandon cannot agree then you and I cannot either! You are a skins fan and I like you for that reason. I don't have to share your political or ethical values!

[joebagadonuts]

Ok Joe I like you so I'm not going to jump on you here, but do you really think he cannot spell?? Or are you going somewhere else with that?? I think alot of republicans are touchy because of the 9/11 movie. I've read alot about it and actually saw an interview with a senator on one of the news channels. The senator said the completely chopped up his answers and placed them where he wanted them. That makes me disregard everything in this movie. I am voting for Bush but to me it's an easy choice. I agree with most of what he stands for and I've yet to hear what Kerry stands for, unless you count being against Bush. And in my mind that little info about a canidate months before the election means they are not my type of politician.

given some posts by other posters in this thread, maybe i should clarify my position on the whole 'bush can't spell'. thing. i think bush can most likely spell rather well. i don't think he has the command of the english language that perhaps some other politicians do, but, to be honest, i find his screw ups rather amusing. besides, i have far larger concerns about his policies and actions regarding the way the country is run to worry about whether or not he can spell.

and i understand the reaction to michael moore's movie. he's involved in the entertainment industry, so one could argue that he is 'manipulating' facts to get the biggest bang. personally, i would take the movie with a grain of salt, knowing that he's presenting facts from his point of view, just as some republicans present facts from their points of view.

my comments were intended only to address the 'liberal media' topic, and not the 'bush can't spell' topic. i hope that clears it up.

as far as candidate information goes, i believe that it is the responsibility of the voter to seek out information on the candidiates and make an intelligent decision based on their own feelings. although it sounds like you're happy with your pending choice, i would hope that you and others would not make a decision based on a lack of information, when you most likely could visit a candidate's web site and get loads of information on what they claim to stand for. rather than making informed decisions, most americans seem to make their decisions based on sound bites (or movies, even), which is rather sad.

one thing that calms me when i get worked up into a frenzy about politics, is to remember that if 98% of us vote for bush, or kerry, we'd be living in a state similar to iraq. i can respect decisions that others make about who to believe in, just as long as i'm convinced that those decisions are informed ones.

[joebagadonuts]

I don't care if he mumbles incoherently. It's better than the "flip-flop kid". I don't want a person who votes for something and then says later that his views are the exact opposite.

jansenfan, i've heard you mention kerry as a 'flip-flopper' a couple of times, and was wondering what issues that view is based on. i'm not trying to be smart, just trying to get a better understanding of that point of view, and what influenced it.

[Brandon777]

I don't care if he mumbles incoherently. It's better than the "flip-flop kid". I don't want a person who votes for something and then says later that his views are the exact opposite.

jansenfan, i've heard you mention kerry as a 'flip-flopper' a couple of times, and was wondering what issues that view is based on. i'm not trying to be smart, just trying to get a better understanding of that point of view, and what influenced it.

I believe this site states some of his flip-flops. Watch the little slide show. http://www.johnfkerrysucks.com/

[JansenFan]

I don't care if he mumbles incoherently. It's better than the "flip-flop kid". I don't want a person who votes for something and then says later that his views are the exact opposite.

jansenfan, i've heard you mention kerry as a 'flip-flopper' a couple of times, and was wondering what issues that view is based on. i'm not trying to be smart, just trying to get a better understanding of that point of view, and what influenced it.

OK, here are a few examples that I have found.....

Trade with China

1991 - Kerry voted to change China's status to "Most-Favored-Trade"
2000 - Kerry voted for permanent, normal trade relations with China
2004 - Kerry is criticizing the Bush administration for trading with China

Iraq War

2002 - Voted for authorization to use force in Iraq
2003 - First Democratic debate, Kerry strongly supported Presidents actions in Iraq.
2003 - Kerry says he voted to threaten Iraq with the use of force.
2004 - On 60 minutes with John Edwards, Kerry states he is against the war

Middle Class Marriage Penalty

2003 - Kerry vows to fight to keep the tax relief for married couples
1998 - Kerry voted against eliminating the marriage tax penalty for families that make less than 50,000

The Patriot Act

2001 - Voted for the Patriot Act
2003 - Kerry said “Most of [The Patriot Act] has to do with improving the transfer of information between CIA and FBI, and it has to do with things that really were quite necessary in the wake of what happened on September 11th.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Town Hall Meeting, Manchester, NH, 8/6/03)
2003 - Kerry said “We are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. So it is time to end the era of John Ashcroft. That starts with replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time. I’ve been a District Attorney and I know that what law enforcement needs are real tools not restrictions on American’s basic rights.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Iowa State University, 12/1/03)

First Gulf War

One constituent wrote two letters to John Kerry, both on the gulf war, one is support of the war, one against the war..

For the war, the constituent received the following reply:

Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war.’ --letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]

Against the war, the same constituent received the following reply:

Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush’s response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf.’ --Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]”

Would you like more?

[Redskins Rule]

dang....thats pretty detailed their Jansenfan. Unlike Brandon putting up a biased link to find flip-flops which of course his haters would exagerate. You actually gave me something to think about.

And yes, I would like to know more.

[joebagadonuts]

Would you like more?

thanks for pposting those. i'm always up for being exposed to more information 9as you offered), but i was sure i could find what i need by doing a google search, which in fact, i did. most of the sites i found were about kerry flip-flop issues, but there were several sites devoted to bush flip-flop issues. many were compelling. i don't mean this in a 'yeah, well, bush flip-flops too so there' kind of way, but from the points i've seen one could easily argue that bush changes his mind or goes back on his word just as often, if not more, than kerry.

it would appear that it's simply a matter of who's propaganda you believe the most. just for the heck of it, i'll paste a few of the bush flip-flops i found (i love dates and references to back up claims, which, unfortunately, this list does not have-but i'm at work, and supposed to be working, so researching dates and documents wasn't possible-i'm sure everyone will throw these out the window anyway...);

Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.

Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits.

Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will.

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote.

Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

Bush would allot only one hour for his meeting with the Intelligence Commission. After getting some heat from John McCain and others, Bush now says he'll stay a while longer if they have more questions.

When asked by Tim Russert if he would release all National Guard service records, Bush said, "We already have." But then, in dribs and drabs, as the usually moribund White House press corps became more insistent, some--but not all--of the records were released over a period of weeks. There are documents still undisclosed, notably Bush's medical records from that period.

Bush claimed for months that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. When confronted with the probablility that there are none, Bush claimed he meant "programs" for building such weapons. "What's the difference?" he asked Diane Sawyer.

In early February, Bush's Economic Report for 2004 was released under the president's signature, claiming that his administration would create 2.6 million new jobs in 2004. A few days later when monthly "actuals" showed this to be an impossible dream, Bush distanced himself from the report. One of his spokesmen actually denied that Bush had signed it.