Justice Has Prevailed......Marcus Dixon free

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:05 pm

I see your point now. You are taking the legal side of it. I can respect that. But don't you think its a little extreme? Everyone says he should have kept it in his pants. I have say yes he should have. But he didn't. He didn't because morally he didn't see a need to. He didn't think what he was doing was wrong. Especially when she willingly walks with him to a building just outside of the main building. Its clear they decided to go there to have sex in school. How can you possibly think that it is wrong when its clear that she wanted it just as much as you? Morally it isn't wrong. Thats why he didn't keep it in his pants.

What I don't like about the law is she had to know if she didn't want it then to tell him!!!!!!! If you don't tell him is morals won't change and neither will his actions. I don't see that a 15 year old isn't capable of not knowing enough to not speak for herself. I can't see it either. Especially when it is a fellow student at your highschool. Someone you see in the halls everyday. Someone you see in the cafeteria everyday. I think that young woman can have their minds screwed with some and then think its ok to date a 30 year old. I think thats why this law was passed. But should it really apply to two highschool students who saw each other everyday in the halls and cafeteria? I don't think so. And that is what this case is about. It is not about a college kid and a highschool student or about elementary students. Its about fellow highschool students.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:18 pm

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Tough line to call. . .so let's use BringthePain's system. I'm a high school senior who has sex with a 13-year old freshman, and a week later I turn 19. Basically, we're talking a 6 year difference but I can still get away with it apparently.

Furthermore, let's say the girl consented and stands behind that but her parents are furious--does our legal system just tell the parents "sorry"?

how can you "get away" with something that you don't neccesarily know is wrong?? It's not like they have classes on the laws of sex in high school... and your 13 to 19 example is an extreme case scenario.... most freshman enter high school at 14 and most senoirs don't turn 19 in high school.... but in the case that would happen... well yes... as long as the girl and the guy consented it, he shouldn't get charged with rape.... he mentally, at 18 has never become an adult.... he's been treated like a teenager, interacts with teenagers, how can he possible be an adult, when he hasn't experienced adulthood??

And to answer your parents question: yes, so sorry charlie... if you don't have enough since to talk to your child about sex, or even if you did and they still do have sex then well thats the way the cookie crumbles.... why does someone have to be punished?? for your child's ignorance?

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:22 pm

there's a point where in your life you need to be held accountable for your actions thus 18 years of age is it.i know a lot of people who don't act there age but that know the difference in right and wrong.its up to the person to make the right choices in his or her life.not saying i'am perfect i've made some bad choices in my life,but i also don't blame anyone but myself.so what i'am saying is this...this guy made a choice he is of age that makes it "by law" wrong.REDSKINZ4EVER!!!!

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:28 pm

BringThePain! wrote:
FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Tough line to call. . .so let's use BringthePain's system. I'm a high school senior who has sex with a 13-year old freshman, and a week later I turn 19. Basically, we're talking a 6 year difference but I can still get away with it apparently.

Furthermore, let's say the girl consented and stands behind that but her parents are furious--does our legal system just tell the parents "sorry"?

how can you "get away" with something that you don't neccesarily know is wrong?? It's not like they have classes on the laws of sex in high school... and your 13 to 19 example is an extreme case scenario.... most freshman enter high school at 14 and most senoirs don't turn 19 in high school.... but in the case that would happen... well yes... as long as the girl and the guy consented it, he shouldn't get charged with rape.... he mentally, at 18 has never become an adult.... he's been treated like a teenager, interacts with teenagers, how can he possible be an adult, when he hasn't experienced adulthood??

And to answer your parents question: yes, so sorry charlie... if you don't have enough since to talk to your child about sex, or even if you did and they still do have sex then well thats the way the cookie crumbles.... why does someone have to be punished?? for your child's ignorance?

well, if that's how you feel i guess everyone can feel glad that you're not making or changing laws.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:29 pm

Ok I have to assume that all of you in favor of this law held on to your virginity through out high school?? If not then you are hypocrits. It's ok for you to make that decsion but not for this girl. I'm sick of everyone treating women/girls like they are helpless. This girl knew what she was doing. I made decisions at as a teenager that I look back and regret but I also made decisions at 20 that I look back and regret. It's life. You learn from it. And the lesson should not be that because you are a young adult you are not resposible enough to make a decsion like this, it's her body, not her parent's. And in the end there are very few people who hold on to their virginity until legal adulthood!

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:36 pm

NikiH wrote:Ok I have to assume that all of you in favor of this law held on to your virginity through out high school?? If not then you are hypocrits. It's ok for you to make that decsion but not for this girl. I'm sick of everyone treating women/girls like they are helpless. This girl knew what she was doing. I made decisions at as a teenager that I look back and regret but I also made decisions at 20 that I look back and regret. It's life. You learn from it. And the lesson should not be that because you are a young adult you are not resposible enough to make a decsion like this, it's her body, not her parent's. And in the end there are very few people who hold on to their virginity until legal adulthood!

you're right NikiH, as soon as we hit age 13 we know it all. we don't need our parents or the law to protect us from anything. and if any adults want to stand in our way of doing what we want we'll sue :roll:

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:38 pm

That's not at all what I'm saying Mr Smarty Pants! I'm saying that looking at this situation logically this kid is no more responsible then the teacher or parent who didn't know where these kids were at the time. did they get charged?

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:40 pm

surferskin wrote:well, if that's how you feel i guess everyone can feel glad that you're not making or changing laws.

well that's a productive response from you as usual.... i thought we were holding by our rule of not insulting the poster.... or do i need to take care of you in the smack forum again?

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:41 pm

NikiH wrote:That's not at all what I'm saying Mr Smarty Pants! I'm saying that looking at this situation logically this kid is no more responsible then the teacher or parent who didn't know where these kids were at the time. did they get charged?

nope but they charged the one adult involved.

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:45 pm

BringThePain! wrote:
surferskin wrote:well, if that's how you feel i guess everyone can feel glad that you're not making or changing laws.

well that's a productive response from you as usual.... i thought we were holding by our rule of not insulting the poster.... or do i need to take care of you in the smack forum again?

or maybe you could tell boss hog on me...that's usually your best option.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:46 pm

.... I knew I'd get a rise out of you.... it's too easy

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Thu May 06, 2004 1:41 pm

OK I was just thinking and I thought of a perfect example to prove a flaw is this legal reasoning. You have a 12 year old child. And they are invited to a birthday party. When calling to RSVP for your child you find out that the "responsible" chaperon at the party will be the 12 year olds older brother. He is 18 and a senior in high school. He will be the only "adult" present. Do you let your child go to this party? Absolutely not! Why? Because there is no way an 18 year old senior is going to be mature enough to handle a party full of 12 year olds.
I hope that helps put into perspective for you Surfer dude!

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu May 06, 2004 1:44 pm

NikiH wrote:OK I was just thinking and I thought of a perfect example to prove a flaw is this legal reasoning. You have a 12 year old child. And they are invited to a birthday party. When calling to RSVP for your child you find out that the "responsible" chaperon at the party will be the 12 year olds older brother. He is 18 and a senior in high school. He will be the only "adult" present. Do you let your child go to this party? Absolutely not! Why? Because there is no way an 18 year old senior is going to be mature enough to handle a party full of 12 year olds.
I hope that helps put into perspective for you Surfer dude!

but i guess he's just young enough to have sex with all of them if they let him. :wink:

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Thu May 06, 2004 2:30 pm

Surfer dude, Do you think that someone who has a 3.7 GPA and got a scholarship to go to college and hasn't gotten into any trouble should be sentenced to 10 years for having sex with a woman who is younger then him?

If not ten years then how about one year?

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu May 06, 2004 2:34 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:Surfer dude, Do you think that someone who has a 3.7 GPA and got a scholarship to go to college and hasn't gotten into any trouble should be sentenced to 10 years for having sex with a woman who is younger then him?

If not ten years then how about one year?

if you read some of my earlier posts i said that i thought it was extreme but i'm not in any position to say what his punishment should have been.

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Thu May 06, 2004 2:39 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:Surfer dude, Do you think that someone who has a 3.7 GPA and got a scholarship to go to college and hasn't gotten into any trouble should be sentenced to 10 years for having sex with a woman who is younger then him?

If not ten years then how about one year?

Good anology.

Also let me be the first to say that penalty for what he did is a maximum 1 year in jail and $1,000 fine.

So that being said with his background.

1. Losing both parents at a young age
2. Having a 3.7GPA and being a good athelete
3. Never been in trouble before.

He should have gotten probation.

But i will the first to say that if he was a knuckle head, skipping school, 1.2 GPA having, prior offense getting bum then he should have gotten alittle more then just probation.

Although the young man was going to Vanderbilt, but he had offers to other schools. He choose Vanderbilt because that was his ADOPTED FATHERS SCHOOL. He was quoted as saying "I am going to Vandy to play football yes, but it is more important that i graduate from my fathers school"

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Thu May 06, 2004 3:20 pm

Why doesn't anyone seem to understand that he BROKE THE LAW. No ifs, ands or buts. A jury found him guilty.

This is the type of thing that really gets me. Trying to make excuses for his behavior and pointing to other poor behavior as a guide.

People are discussing where to draw the line. What some don't seem to realize is that the people charged with the responsibility for drawing the line, in this case the Georgia legislature, did so and this individual crossed it. Case closed.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Thu May 06, 2004 3:49 pm

Hey Curveball, Yes he broke the law. But I don't like that law. That law screwed him out of a year and a few months of his life. The State Supreme Court even thought he got screwed. Thats why they freed him. He has served more then enough of the maximum sentence for what he did.

I don't like that law because its clear he was a good person, who thought with the wrong head for all of a few minutes. And now he's got to get back into shape and hopefully he won't loose the scholarship he got. And maybe he can get his life back on track.

And I can't blame him for thinking with the wrong head, because there wasn't anything morally wrong with what he did. Thats the biggest reason why I don't like that law. Lots of people have sex in highschool.

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Thu May 06, 2004 3:51 pm

curveball wrote:Why doesn't anyone seem to understand that he BROKE THE LAW. No ifs, ands or buts. A jury found him guilty.

This is the type of thing that really gets me. Trying to make excuses for his behavior and pointing to other poor behavior as a guide.

People are discussing where to draw the line. What some don't seem to realize is that the people charged with the responsibility for drawing the line, in this case the Georgia legislature, did so and this individual crossed it. Case closed.

Curve ball you are really not listening.....

The maximum for what he did was 1 year in jail and $1,000 dollars. His past did not warrent the harshest penalty. Thats what i am saying.

Example in the military some people go to jail for adulty, some people get a rank taken, some people get a letter or reprimand. It all depends on that individuals past. AND THIS INDIVIDUAL HAD A STELLAR PAST AND BRIGHT FUTURE.

I am not debating the LETTER of the law, but more the SPIRIT of it.

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu May 06, 2004 3:55 pm

And I can't blame him for thinking with the wrong head, because there wasn't anything morally wrong with what he did. Thats the biggest reason why I don't like that law. Lots of people have sex in highschool.

morally it was COMPLETELY wrong. to be moral would be to wait until your married to have sex...i'm not saying everyone does this but just because our society seriously lacks in morals these days doesn't change what's right and wrong.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Thu May 06, 2004 4:13 pm

Now you answer my question. Thanks. If you want to look at it from a religious point of view then you are right. But if your not willing to look at it from a religious piont of view then he didn't do anything wrong by morals. Alot of kids don't wait until marriage, you can't sentence them to a year for not doing so.

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Thu May 06, 2004 4:18 pm

This is the exact thing I was talking about. The prisons are full of "good" people. Heck, I'm sure that you could find someone who'd claim that Ted Bundy was a "good" guy.

I don't care if Mother Theresa breaks the law, she should be punished according to the law.

tx_skins_fan · Post by **tx_skins_fan** » Thu May 06, 2004 11:09 pm

Dude, Mother Theresa's dead.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Fri May 07, 2004 12:23 am

Ok surfer skin I will say it again, listen carefully. Are you married? Are you a virgin?? NO ONE WAITS! Ok almost no one. Morally you think sex should wait until marriage. Those are your morals dude. Not this nations on a whole. A VERY long time ago our morals were loosened. You cannot change them back because it suits your arguement or for any other reason for that matter. Our soceity as a whole expects teenagers who have sex to be protected, not for teeenagers to obstain. They handed out condoms in my high school, not to only the 18 year olds to any one who wanted them. This is something you have to come to grips with. I have a child and although I'd be happy if he chose to wait until marriage, I in no way expect him to. I know that things change. I will prepare my son with talk about safe sex and abstinence. The choice is his to make. Just like this 15 year old girl's parents, I cannot make that decision for him. I can only prepare him to make it wisely!

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Fri May 07, 2004 9:28 am

NikiH wrote:Ok surfer skin I will say it again, listen carefully. Are you married? Are you a virgin?? NO ONE WAITS! Ok almost no one. Morally you think sex should wait until marriage. Those are your morals dude. Not this nations on a whole. A VERY long time ago our morals were loosened. You cannot change them back because it suits your arguement or for any other reason for that matter. Our soceity as a whole expects teenagers who have sex to be protected, not for teeenagers to obstain. They handed out condoms in my high school, not to only the 18 year olds to any one who wanted them. This is something you have to come to grips with. I have a child and although I'd be happy if he chose to wait until marriage, I in no way expect him to. I know that things change. I will prepare my son with talk about safe sex and abstinence. The choice is his to make. Just like this 15 year old girl's parents, I cannot make that decision for him. I can only prepare him to make it wisely!

this isn't a discussion of morality...i'm sure peoples definitions of morals around here would be all over the place, so there's no reason to get into this. this however is a discussion of the LAW which is fairly clear in this young man and young women's case. this guy broke the law bottom line...if his lawyer argued the same thing you're doing right now there isn't a chance it would have helped him. the arguement that morals have loosened and many adults have sex with 15 year olds isn't valid. this was an open and shut case as far as statutory rape was concerned. the ONLY thing to argue is what he was sentenced to...and i think most agree that it was bit harsh. what we all have done and what you teach your child is of no consequence...i'll just leave it that because there are certain things that we will never change each other's minds about...hopefully we can agree to disagree.