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riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:

riggofan wrote: I don't understand why people can't wait for the legal process to determine what this guy's status is before they get their panties all twisted up.

Does "people" include the Washington Redskins
Also with that logic, why not claim Hunt?

Because as I understand it there is video evidence of Kareem Hunt assaulting a woman. Unless I'm mistaken, there is only a he said/she said complaint against Reuben Foster right now. Am I wrong about that?

Remember I said …without using the word video.
I’ve been waiting for someone to split that hair…could you imagine anyone form the NFL saying…well in one case we believe this because there is a video but we are going to take a wait and see in the other case because there’s no video??

Have you read the police report? Neither did the Redskins!!
I’m not saying these players don’t deserve another chance my argument all along has been that no team should claim them until due process has been completed.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:Riggins beat women?

I never said that. I said "character issues." Dexter Manley had a few, too. I don't know that either Riggins or Manley were ever accused of domestic violence. It was just the point that it's not as though the Redskins have never signed anyone with character concerns and / or legal issues before. Call me what you will but I want a successful football team and if that means signing people who barely avoid prison I'm fine with it. None of them will be dating my daughters.

Well there is really no discussion with you if that is your point of view.

DEHog wrote: Remember I said …without using the word video.
I’ve been waiting for someone to split that hair…could you imagine anyone form the NFL saying…well in one case we believe this because there is a video but we are going to take a wait and see in the other case because there’s no video??

I'm sorry, but is just a goofy argument. You're acting like this is ridiculous to consider that there is video. Video IS evidence. I can make an informed judgement when I've seen something with MY OWN EYES. So yes, I AM going to wait and see in the Foster case because I don't have any other way to judge it. I'm going to wait and hear what the police who are investigating the situation say.

DEHog wrote:Have you read the police report? Neither did the Redskins!!

I read what was reported in the paper, quotes from the Tampa Bay police department. As I understand it, the woman says she was pushed in the chest. A cellphone was slapped out of her hand. And the police identified a scratch on the victim's collarbone.

DEHog wrote:I’m not saying these players don’t deserve another chance my argument all along has been that no team should claim them until due process has been completed.

So, if a woman goes to the police tomorrow and says, "Colt McCoy assaulted me", then Colt should be immediately released and no team should should claim him until due process has been completed?

You know police are not going to make an arrest in that case.
Foster was arrested because the officer observed a altercation and there was physical evidence of abuse.

DEHog wrote:You know police are not going to make an arrest in that case.
Foster was arrested because the officer observed a altercation and there was physical evidence of abuse.

Where in the world did you hear that?

"Tampa Police spokeswoman Janelle McGregor said a woman told police that Foster slapped her phone out of her hand, pushed her in the chest area and slapped her with an open hand on the left side of her face. McGregor said officers observed a 1-inch scratch on the accuser's left collarbone."
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory ... e-59399425

His girlfriend called 911. There is audio of the call available online.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Let the police investigate and find out the facts.

DEHog wrote:You know police are not going to make an arrest in that case.
Foster was arrested because the officer observed a altercation and there was physical evidence of abuse.

Not entirely true.... If she said he slapped her phone out of her hand and pushed her- regardless of said scratch, the man gets arresred.

My friend got arrested with deep scratches on his neck- bleeding, with no visiable marks on his gf. She said he held her down- and he admitted as much because she was attacking him.

Male charged with a DV, female got a hug from the police officer

Theres two sides to every story is all... He didnt Ray Rice her so lets see what the court decides.

The one inch scratch couldve been from her own doing or a damn cat.

The system in these cases vilify the male

If the Redskins FO doesn't mind having guys with domestic violence issues on the team, why don't they go after Kareem Hunt as well? - you can't have enough good players, right? My personal preference is to not have guys on the roster that have domestic violence issues

SkinsJock wrote:If the Redskins FO doesn't mind having guys with domestic violence issues on the team, why don't they go after Kareem Hunt as well? - you can't have enough good players, right? My personal preference is to not have guys on the roster that have domestic violence issues

Like the 80's skins were saints?? LMAO

Innocent until proven guilty- the organization took a chance on a guy who may or may not be the guy the media is making him out to be. If he is a scum bag then we let him walk.

Nkt sure what all of rhe fuss is about


He sure as h3ll didnt Ray Rice his girl in an elevator... This is merely a see what happens waiver claim- so lets just see what happens?

Not like he choked his mom ala Dez Bryant- who faced ZERO NFL consequences

I love how you guys split hairs and compare players "indiscretions" ...All I'm saying is why not take a wait and see approach like every other NFL did, instead of giving ESPN a story to talk about all night on MNF!! Last night was in a word embarrassing! The Skins, Williams, and Allen defend it by saying it's someone who may help our team, but refuse to even call Kap....Are you telling me he couldn't help this team? Do those who support the Foster move support bringing in Kap?

DEHog wrote:I love how you guys split hairs and compare players "indiscretions" ...All I'm saying is why not take a wait and see approach like every other NFL did, instead of giving ESPN a story to talk about all night on MNF!! Last night was in a word embarrassing! The Skins, Williams, and Allen defend it by saying it's someone who may help our team, but refuse to even call Kap....Are you telling me he couldn't help this team? Do those who support the Foster move support bringing in Kap?

I'd have brought in Kaepernick long before I ever thought about bringing in Mark Sanchez but Danny is a card-carrying racist who is not about to go against the good old boys network of NFL owners to bring in a pariah upon the "shut up and keep your place and know your role" NFL.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:I love how you guys split hairs and compare players "indiscretions" ...All I'm saying is why not take a wait and see approach like every other NFL did, instead of giving ESPN a story to talk about all night on MNF!! Last night was in a word embarrassing! The Skins, Williams, and Allen defend it by saying it's someone who may help our team, but refuse to even call Kap....Are you telling me he couldn't help this team? Do those who support the Foster move support bringing in Kap?

I'd have brought in Kaepernick long before I ever thought about bringing in Mark Sanchez but Danny is a card-carrying racist who is not about to go against the good old boys network of NFL owners to bring in a pariah upon the "shut up and keep your place and know your role" NFL.

It appears he went against them in claiming Foster??

DEHog wrote:It appears he went against them in claiming Foster??

I really can't speak to that as I have no knowledge one way or the other. On Kaepernick, if everyone else in the organization wanted to sign him Snyder would nix the idea.

I think Allen nixed it over Snyder... Snyder would bring in anyone to "just win baby"

I am surprised that there is even a debate in this and other fora about the decision to bring Reuben Foster under the present circumstances at this time.

Team has struggled for decades with the documented legacy of prejudice and racial discrimination by Preston Marshall. Team has struggled to justify its name as a non-racist insult to native Americans. And now, we hire an alleged woman beater before due process has cleared his name??? After the MeToo movement?

What are we as fans? Who are we as human beings? If not for the humanity, if only for garbage business and the owners pocket, what kind of people have the terrible judgment to do this and add domestic violence as a misdemeanor allegation?

How long prime time on national TV was the issue repeatedly mentioned yesterday evening in Monday Night Football? Is there a single voice to argue with legitimate arguments against any and all of that criticism? I am delighted to have heard heartfelt apology of Doug Williams but I am also glad Bruce Allen assumed responsibility for this stupidity, yet another one in the long list of unprofessional, foolish and blunders in his sports career. He said in an interview that the Team had done its diligent "investigation" and that the accusation was "unfounded". Well now, if that is not the case, it should be good and final reason to fire him. But I would not be surprised if money and threats are used to suppress testimony. She already recanted once. The best possible outcome would be for Foster to assume any responsibility he had and seek counselling.

I have always accused Bruce Allen to follow Machiavelli to reach power: "the ends justify the means". Well, hell no. What he did was a well documented dirty gamble: a solid player plagued by terrible conduct at a bargain basement price for a potential benefit to compensate for a guaranteed salary the team cannot afford to pay to an old QB which may or may not be able to earn on the field next two seasons. All this under the "assumption" that the public relations price will be palatable and will fade away quickly.

Nobody who has witnessed or has had a friend or relative who has become the victim of domestic violence or sexual abuse can tolerate this situation. How soon can anybody forget that this very player was RELEASED and placed on WAIVERS precisely for the allegation made against him? So, are the 49ers stupid for letting go a 1st draft pick and the core of their defense? No, they are not. Quite the opposite, they are "simply" an honest and ethical team with zero tolerance against domestic violence and sexual abuse. They know that their values project onto society as a good example of what is acceptable and unacceptable. Winning clean is the only way. Hell, it seems the Joe Gibbs way had been forgotten around here!

The current owner has been the laughingstock and ridicule of the sports world for two decades. The well deserved fallout for this signing has been deservedly devastating in the printed, TV and digital media. Fans have lost all faith and interest in his ability to learn and improve. He cannot simply even select a good GM to work under him and delegate all football decisions. The stadium is half empty and dropping further in attendance in the next few weeks.

It pains me to watch this team at a distance. Gladly, I do nor take it as personally as I once did, and all those close to me, family and friends, do not have to witness and suffer my frustration and disappointment.

And THIS is why the team wasn't crazy to put in their claim on Reuben Foster:

https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/03/reuben-f ... e-dropped/

NFL's Reuben Foster Domestic Violence Charge Dropped

Reuben Foster is off the hook in his domestic violence case ... again.

TMZ Sports has obtained a court document filed on Jan. 2 which shows the State Attorney's Office in Florida has dismissed the misdemeanor charge against Foster stemming from a Nov. 24 incident with his ex-girlfriend.

Foster was scheduled to appear at an arraignment in Hillsborough County, FL on Thursday morning -- but the hearing was canceled after the notice of termination of prosecution was filed.

other than to blindly loyal fans - this was not a good decision at the time - even though I love my Redskins, I still do not agree with it ...

SkinsJock wrote:other than to blindly loyal fans - this was not a good decision at the time - even though I love my Redskins, I still do not agree with it ...

It has nothing to do with being blindly loyal and you know very well my opinion of this front office and Bruce Allen in particular. I would have said the same thing about ANY team making a waiver claim on the player. From a business perspective, putting a claim on the rights to Foster just in case the allegations against him proved to be untrue was a low cost move with a potential high reward. Making it out to be some kind of endorsement of domestic violence was ridiculous.

I'm just not on board with this public opinion bandwagon jumping when it comes to people especially when it is weeks and weeks before any actual facts are known. It has a ridiculous way of snowballing. Personally I can remember how people were so pissed when the team took a chance on L.A. gang banger, Desean Jackson.

Too early to cheer. NFL has to officially reinstate Foster.

Not sure if the NFLPA has a say in this also?

El Mexican wrote:Too early to cheer. NFL has to officially reinstate Foster.

Not sure if the NFLPA has a say in this also?

They can certainly suspend him for a few games like what happened with Zeke Elliot last year. But there's no way the NFLPA allows a player to be suspended indefinitely for something that was alleged, unproven AND uncharged. That's insane.

This team has had more than its share of bad luck. I for one will be hoping to see something right to go our way. Whatever the situation was with Foster, I hope like hell that he stays away from this particular woman for good and makes the most of his chance if it comes.

you know very well that there was something going on and the background with these 2 - the charges were dropped because the woman was not reliable AND I don't think Foster is 'staying away from this woman' - that's partially why the charges were dropped - I wish he and his girlfriend the best, maybe they can make amends like Ray Rice did with his girlfriend

I'm not saying that you endorse anything by supporting this decision - I agree it was a low risk move but it was also a low class move
IF it wasn't a bad move, why did the idiot apologize for what he said when he tried to explain the reasons for doing it

FWIW - I don't want players like this on the Redskins roster - I'm as entitled to wanting that just like your entitled to your opinion on the sort of players we should add to the roster

SkinsJock wrote:FWIW - I don't want players like this on the Redskins roster - I'm as entitled to wanting that just like your entitled to your opinion on the sort of players we should add to the roster

Of course you're entitled to that, and I don't begrudge anyone that opinion. It would be great if the roster was nothing but high character guys like Chris Thompson and Ryan Kerrigan.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:FWIW - I don't want players like this on the Redskins roster - I'm as entitled to wanting that just like your entitled to your opinion on the sort of players we should add to the roster

Of course you're entitled to that, and I don't begrudge anyone that opinion. It would be great if the roster was nothing but high character guys like Chris Thompson and Ryan Kerrigan.

No doubt a physically and mentally healthy Foster can help this team, my concern is we don't have the locker room for a guy like him?? We couldn't even keep DJ in check...

DEHog wrote:No doubt a physically and mentally healthy Foster can help this team, my concern is we don't have the locker room for a guy like him?? We couldn't even keep DJ in check...

Was he a bad locker room guy? I honestly don't know the answer.

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:No doubt a physically and mentally healthy Foster can help this team, my concern is we don't have the locker room for a guy like him?? We couldn't even keep DJ in check...

Was he a bad locker room guy? I honestly don't know the answer.

Who DJ? My point is who is the guy in the locker room that told DJ to shut up and stop talking publically. I don't care about him saying what he said privately.
Look at how long he did it and this after Gruden asked him to stop and told him of the consequences. It speak to the culture...IMO.

DEHog wrote:Who DJ? My point is who is the guy in the locker room that told DJ to shut up and stop talking publically. I don't care about him saying what he said privately.
Look at how long he did it and this after Gruden asked him to stop and told him of the consequences. It speak to the culture...IMO.

Nah I was asking about Foster.

DJ was a tough problem. He was a good safety on a team that hasn't had a good safety in years. He was a veteran player who stayed healthy and made plays. I know what you're saying about the team culture but given all that I'm not sure there were many players outside of like AP or Trent in a position to tell him to knock it off. And at the end of the day, pretty sure he wasn't going to be told what to do by anyone.