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Great game yesterday. In all honesty, though, I have no idea of the identity of this team.

El Mexican wrote:Great game yesterday. In all honesty, though, I have no idea of the identity of this team.

Me either. I won't be surprised to find at the end of the year though that it is our d-line.

We're #1 in defense right now. If Gruden just stays with the running game, we can go far. Injuries are always the wildcard, though.

Deadskins wrote:We're #1 in defense right now.

Isn't that insane? I think we were #2 after this weekend, just behind the Ravens but still. #5 vs. the pass and #8 vs. the run.

Its only three games in, but after being a perennial s-show on defense for the past decade, I'm hyped to see it.

I wish they could get Kerrigan going though. Want to see #91 getting more sacks.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:We're #1 in defense right now.

Isn't that insane? I think we were #2 after this weekend, just behind the Ravens but still. #5 vs. the pass and #8 vs. the run.

Its only three games in, but after being a perennial s-show on defense for the past decade, I'm hyped to see it.

I wish they could get Kerrigan going though. Want to see #91 getting more sacks.

Don't be surprised if they give Junior Galette a call. They're getting nothing from the linebackers and he wants to come back.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Don't be surprised if they give Junior Galette a call. They're getting nothing from the linebackers and he wants to come back.

Won't surprise me at all. I know we're not getting sacks from the OLBs but I'd heard good comments on Preston Smith so far and basically that Kerrigan just gets held on nearly every play. lol. The LB who seems to really be getting hammered right now is Zach Brown. Kind of weird.

Definitely think they can get more out of those guys. But personally I'm most concerned about the WRs. Its insane how useless Doctson continues to be.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Don't be surprised if they give Junior Galette a call. They're getting nothing from the linebackers and he wants to come back.

Won't surprise me at all. I know we're not getting sacks from the OLBs but I'd heard good comments on Preston Smith so far and basically that Kerrigan just gets held on nearly every play. lol. The LB who seems to really be getting hammered right now is Zach Brown. Kind of weird.

Definitely think they can get more out of those guys. But personally I'm most concerned about the WRs. Its insane how useless Doctson continues to be.

They should have tried harder to get Josh Gordon. Yea, he's a risk but he'd produce more in one game than Doctson has in his entire career.

how great it is to win a game and then not lose a game for the next 2 Sundays ...

we take what we can get ...

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:They should have tried harder to get Josh Gordon. Yea, he's a risk but he'd produce more in one game than Doctson has in his entire career.

I'll be honest, I'd take Dez Bryant over Josh Gordon in a heartbeat. Everything I've heard and read makes it sound like Gordon is still probably struggling with mental health and/or substance abuse issues.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:They should have tried harder to get Josh Gordon. Yea, he's a risk but he'd produce more in one game than Doctson has in his entire career.

I'll be honest, I'd take Dez Bryant over Josh Gordon in a heartbeat. Everything I've heard and read makes it sound like Gordon is still probably struggling with mental health and/or substance abuse issues.

I'd take Rishard Matthews over Josh Doctson at this point. Maybe it isn't fair to single out a wide receiver in an offense that uses them sparingly but he had ample opportunity to perform back when Kurt Cousins was throwing the ball up for grabs in the fourth quarter of every game. Hopefully they can get more than zero out of Michael Floyd but I'm not holding my breath.

SkinsJock wrote:how great it is to win a game and then not lose a game for the next 2 Sundays ...

we take what we can get ...

and with the eagals losing - the Redskins sit atop the NFC East for a whole week

SkinsJock wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:how great it is to win a game and then not lose a game for the next 2 Sundays ...

we take what we can get ...

and with the eagals losing - the Redskins sit atop the NFC East for a whole week

So awesome. Maybe we should just not play every weekend and see how it pans out.

Man if they Lions had just hung on at the end it would have been a near perfect weekend.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:how great it is to win a game and then not lose a game for the next 2 Sundays ...

we take what we can get ...

and with the eagals losing - the Redskins sit atop the NFC East for a whole week

So awesome. Maybe we should just not play every weekend and see how it pans out.

Man if they Lions had just hung on at the end it would have been a near perfect weekend.

Yes, but on the other hand Dallas had to play their best game to beat the Detroit Lions. Tennessee is going to slaughter them.

I'm not feeling great about this Saints game next week. Think we're going to have to put up points to stay in that game. Anybody feeling confident about our WRs right now?

riggofan wrote:I'm not feeling great about this Saints game next week. Think we're going to have to put up points to stay in that game. Anybody feeling confident about our WRs right now?

New Orleans is scoring 34 points a game but they're also giving up 30 points a game to teams like Cleveland, Atlanta, and the NY Giants. Meanwhile we have the #1 scoring defense in the league, giving up a paltry 14 points per game thus far. I don't think this game is going to be easy but I think we have a shot. I do think the bye week came at a bad time.

The Saints are favored by 7 - we can win this game but we need to get lucky like we did last Sunday against the Packers

the Saints defense is not very good and while we do not have a good offense our defense can be the difference here

nobody could have looked at our schedule and thought we might be 3-1 after 4 games - no way - this is a huge game for this team

then again, looking at the bright side - 2-2 is not at all bad in this division

The aints looked poultry vs the lowly gnats.. If we bottle up Kumara and our dbs hold we can win 27 23

We can expose this weak D if we are aggressive.. Barkley had a big game- look for AP and CT to replicate, so long as we take some shots downfield.

Everyone is down on Doctson, but he has drawn huge flags for us. If we can throw some 50 50 balls and he comes down with em or gets a flag i think Crowder and Reed can go ham

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:The aints looked poultry vs the lowly gnats.. If we bottle up Kumara and our dbs hold we can win 27 23

I watched that whole Giants game Sunday. Kinda disagree that the Saints looked bad. They had two easy TDs dropped on Brees that kept the score a lot closer than the game was IMO. They also started at their own 2 yard line in the 4th quarter and just marched down the field, piece of cake. On the flip side, I still think the Giants are terrible. More awful than people realize in week 4. Their o-line is an embarrassment and Eli has zero time to throw.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:We can expose this weak D if we are aggressive.. Barkley had a big game- look for AP and CT to replicate, so long as we take some shots downfield.

I agree about AP. I hope he's fired up for this game. Would be huge if they can run the ball well Monday night. Lots of long drives to keep Brees off the field.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Everyone is down on Doctson, but he has drawn huge flags for us. If we can throw some 50 50 balls and he comes down with em or gets a flag i think Crowder and Reed can go ham

Flags are great, but that guy needs to start catching some balls. I'm definitely down on him.

That 2016 McCloughan draft is really starting to smell. Docston in the 1st. Cravens with the 2. We basically got Ioannidis out of those seven picks.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Everyone is down on Doctson, but he has drawn huge flags for us.

The only balls Doctson is catching are on his chin because he's been sucking a giant dick. He's averaging two catches a game for 30 yards a game and one TD every three games. He's catching about 43% of his targets. The Skins could get this production from virtually anyone who has ever played the position of wide receiver in professional football. Brian "I wouldn't even be on the roster if not for injuries" Quick has more career TDs. Docston has played 21 games now so he should be getting better, not worse. Instead he's got 5 catches for 48 yards on the season while catching 38% of his targets. Those are "Sign Dez Bryant" type numbers.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:The only balls Doctson is catching are on his chin because he's been sucking a giant dick. He's averaging two catches a game for 30 yards a game and one TD every three games. He's catching about 43% of his targets. The Skins could get this production from virtually anyone who has ever played the position of wide receiver in professional football. Brian "I wouldn't even be on the roster if not for injuries" Quick has more career TDs. Docston has played 21 games now so he should be getting better, not worse. Instead he's got 5 catches for 48 yards on the season while catching 38% of his targets. Those are "Sign Dez Bryant" type numbers.

All of this and we're somehow counting on him as one of our top 3 WRs? Its crazy. He's a third year player now who was a first round pick. I hope I'm wrong but its really starting to look like something is just missing with the guy.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:The only balls Doctson is catching are on his chin because he's been sucking a giant dick. He's averaging two catches a game for 30 yards a game and one TD every three games. He's catching about 43% of his targets. The Skins could get this production from virtually anyone who has ever played the position of wide receiver in professional football. Brian "I wouldn't even be on the roster if not for injuries" Quick has more career TDs. Docston has played 21 games now so he should be getting better, not worse. Instead he's got 5 catches for 48 yards on the season while catching 38% of his targets. Those are "Sign Dez Bryant" type numbers.

All of this and we're somehow counting on him as one of our top 3 WRs? Its crazy. He's a third year player now who was a first round pick. I hope I'm wrong but its really starting to look like something is just missing with the guy.

Doctson is just the latest symptom of a lingering issue with our inability to draft a wide receiver worth anything. The last good or even decent wide receiver we drafted was Keenan McCardell in 1991 and we didn't even keep him. Before him the last high round talent WR who was truly worth the pick was Gary Clark in 1984. Charlie Brown was an 8th round pick. The only 1st round talent pick the Skins have made at WR since 1980 has been Art Monk. We absolutely suck at drafting and developing receivers. Maybe Docston becomes a good receiver elsewhere. Maybe it's just that he was picked by the Skins.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Doctson is just the latest symptom of a lingering issue with our inability to draft a wide receiver worth anything. The last good or even decent wide receiver we drafted was Keenan McCardell in 1991 and we didn't even keep him. Before him the last high round talent WR who was truly worth the pick was Gary Clark in 1984. Charlie Brown was an 8th round pick. The only 1st round talent pick the Skins have made at WR since 1980 has been Art Monk. We absolutely suck at drafting and developing receivers. Maybe Docston becomes a good receiver elsewhere. Maybe it's just that he was picked by the Skins.

I wonder what the success rate is at that position for those high round guys. Corey Coleman and Laquon Treadwell were both drafted in the first round 2016. Neither has lit up the league. (Is Corey Coleman with a team?) Breshad Perriman was a 2015 first round pick and I think he's been on/off four teams already this year. lol.

Probably not just a Redskins thing but you're right we haven't had much luck at WR in the draft. ::cough::rodgardner::cough::

riggofan wrote:I wonder what the success rate is at that position for those high round guys. Corey Coleman and Laquon Treadwell were both drafted in the first round 2016. Neither has lit up the league. (Is Corey Coleman with a team?) Breshad Perriman was a 2015 first round pick and I think he's been on/off four teams already this year. lol.

Probably not just a Redskins thing but you're right we haven't had much luck at WR in the draft. ::cough::rodgardner::cough::

I'd have to do some digging. I know WR is one of the highest bust potential positions (QB is #1, of course) but some teams seem to be able to find capable receivers. The list of the ones that we know succeeded since 1985 is long. Washington drafted none of them.

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:The aints looked poultry vs the lowly gnats.. If we bottle up Kumara and our dbs hold we can win 27 23

I watched that whole Giants game Sunday. Kinda disagree that the Saints looked bad. They had two easy TDs dropped on Brees that kept the score a lot closer than the game was IMO. They also started at their own 2 yard line in the 4th quarter and just marched down the field, piece of cake. On the flip side, I still think the Giants are terrible. More awful than people realize in week 4. Their o-line is an embarrassment and Eli has zero time to throw.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:We can expose this weak D if we are aggressive.. Barkley had a big game- look for AP and CT to replicate, so long as we take some shots downfield.

I agree about AP. I hope he's fired up for this game. Would be huge if they can run the ball well Monday night. Lots of long drives to keep Brees off the field.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Everyone is down on Doctson, but he has drawn huge flags for us. If we can throw some 50 50 balls and he comes down with em or gets a flag i think Crowder and Reed can go ham

Flags are great, but that guy needs to start catching some balls. I'm definitely down on him.

That 2016 McCloughan draft is really starting to smell. Docston in the 1st. Cravens with the 2. We basically got Ioannidis out of those seven picks.

I saw what you saw.. The giants are trash man... And it was close late. Breezy is a sav, and the O is potent hence my remarks about bottling up Kumara and playing good db game.. My point was more that the D is trash and we can cut em early then cut em deep... Hope for good D play and walk away with a close dub.

I think we are saying the same thing?

Doctson has seen few targets.. AND percentages lie- how many of those (incompletes) were flags? Equate that into the mix and tell me how bad he is?


Give him more reps- and if he is a Malcom Kelly- walk him tfooh