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SkinsJock wrote:It's better for the franchise if they can keep him but I'm still hoping we make that deal with the 49ers and see what Kyle can do with him and what our FO can do with the 49ers 2nd pick in this draft and their 1st next year

So you think its better to keep Cousins, but you're hoping they don't?

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:It's better for the franchise if they can keep him but I'm still hoping we make that deal with the 49ers and see what Kyle can do with him and what our FO can do with the 49ers 2nd pick in this draft and their 1st next year

So you think its better to keep Cousins, but you're hoping they don't?

Yeah that's the SJ logic we've become accustomed to around here......

HA - I've always wanted Cousins to stay but not if the deal is too high

I'd like Cousins to get a really good deal but not higher than $24M per - if not, I hope we get that #2 pick plus

Kirk is on the brink of his first payday... after his deal and he has accomplished the number one goal of winning a trophy, THEN he can be like Brady and take a team friendly deal to get in some more talent. I haven't seen any qb take a dime less then they can get on their first long term deal.
He wants to be wanted, and he wants what he can get to ensure his family is financially sound for years to come... if we don't step up, he knows someone will. That's not greedy, it's smart. If the skins want to keep him, and show he is our guy, they pay him. After he balls out for a few years he can return the loyalty by not asking for the moon.

Brock just got payed... and is weak af compared to Kirk. He knows his worth, and to make a statement that we believe in him, we need to step-up and make the deal.

Spoilt brat and greedy talk is just ignorant... tell me you'd take 20 million dollars knowing full well you can get 26; and I'll show you a bold faced lie!

This franchise hasn't been particularly nice to Kirk, and he has risen up in spite of it. From third stringer to probowler, I think we owe it to him to payup and move forward. With the deal inked, he can (in his own words) have the freedom to be the leader he wants to be. Instead of playing to impress or to "bet on himself" he will finally be unburdened, and can take charge as our leader; and just play his ass off to WIN.

SJ, with the ridiculousness you spew on here... bro, you are NEVER in a position to tell anyone to "get the heck out of here"

Get real

it's a better place with different viewpoints and I enjoy tweaking the biased Cousins fans - they're easy

I'm not begrudging the man any money but he's going to get a huge offer from the Redskins and if he wants more, more power to him - we need to do the best we can without him - I don't think he's worth giving so much money that it affects what we do - that's just me

I'd like for Cousins to be here but there's a part of me that wants the fans that are stupidly biased to see what happens when this franchise is managed properly and does not make stupid deals like we used to

SkinsJock wrote:it's a better place with different viewpoints and I enjoy tweaking the biased Cousins fans - they're easy

With respect to us Cousins fans, the only thing you have done is made yourself look bad --- at least worse than usual. There is literally no one here that agrees with what you are saying --- except for hitmandm and I'm not sure he has been on the site for months.

SkinsJock wrote:I'd like for Cousins to be here but there's a part of me that wants the fans that are stupidly biased to see what happens when this franchise is managed properly and does not make stupid deals like we used to

WTF?????

Biased towards what? Cousins? So like 75-80% of all redskin fans (which is the % on almost all polling sites) are "biased" because they want Cousins back on a LTD?

And by signing Cousins, we would be doing the OPPOSITE of what we had done in the past...... Since Danny boy came along and took a steaming dump on this franchise, here have been our QB situations (only including real starter types):
- Frerotte: drafted and pro bowl QB that was released playing for another 10 years in the league mostly as a backup
- Green: had breakout season for skins, who lowballed him and he left and was HIGHLY productive after leaving, making 2 pro bowls. Had we signed him, we would have had a pro bowl caliber QB for the next 7-9 years.....
- Johnson: Broke redskin passing records, made 2000 pro bowl, was subsequently benched for Jeff George, redskins didn't pursue him and won a SB with TB. Instead of resigning the clearly better QB, we filled in the position (during his TB tenure) with Banks, George, Matthews, Ramsey, Wuerffel, and Hasselbeck.....
- Brunell: signed via FA, and was so old he could barely throw for 20 yards. Played under Gibbs and without Danny boy influence was a below avg qb
- Campbell: drafted and had mediocre seasons leading the team to losing records. Released and signed by OAK, and had almost identical production there.
- McNabb, Grossman, Beck, etc......
- RGIII: traded away the world, for the most part a bust.

So basically, if you want to look at mistakes in the past ---- there were 2 main ones: Green and Johnson. Both QBs that produced in a redskins uni that weren't resigned and went on to have successful careers elsewhere.

The "redskins way" under Danny boy was to either (1) draft a R1 QB that is suspect (Ramsey, Campbell, RGIII) and stick with them for a PAINFULLY long period of time, seasons after it is clear they aren't going to produce, or (2) sign aging vets (Brunell, McNabb, George) that produced for other teams but were past their primes.

So --- if you want to "tweak" us, at least do it by posting things that are actually correct and contrary to our points --- not things that don't make sense and we merely correct.....

markshark84 wrote:WTF?????

Biased towards what? Cousins? So like 75-80% of all redskin fans (which is the % on almost all polling sites) are "biased" because they want Cousins back on a LTD?

Don't bother. Its like arguing with a toaster oven.

I am sorry but Kirk is just Mediocre. He plays ok at times but when it counts he always comes up short.
If we cling our hopes to him we will be just above .500 every year.

In his first pro bowl he loses. In a charity game he loses and pushes a ref? He can't even beat an old Doug Flutie?

Personally I thought it was stupid of Kirk to rub Scotty Macs hair like that. Kirk acted like he won us a SuperBowl after that Packers game.

To you all of the Kirk supporters. Just ask any non Redskin fan what they think about Kirk Cousins.

Most will say who? Then those that do watch football will say ehh he's ok. Seriously ask around

HEROHAMO wrote:I am sorry but Kirk is just Mediocre. He plays ok at times but when it counts he always comes up short.

Maybe. People said this same thing about him and the interceptions though. He's a turnover machine, blah, blah, blah. Until he wasn't. Couldn't beat a winning team. Until he did. Matt Ryan was pretty f-ing mediocre the last three years before this one too.

Anyway, you may end up being proven right. Who knows? I'll be glad when McCloughan finally settles this. Sign him or don't.

HEROHAMO wrote:I am sorry but Kirk is just Mediocre. He plays ok at times but when it counts he always comes up short.
If we cling our hopes to him we will be just above .500 every year.

In his first pro bowl he loses. In a charity game he loses and pushes a ref? He can't even beat an old Doug Flutie?

Personally I thought it was stupid of Kirk to rub Scotty Macs hair like that. Kirk acted like he won us a SuperBowl after that Packers game.

To you all of the Kirk supporters. Just ask any non Redskin fan what they think about Kirk Cousins.

Most will say who? Then those that do watch football will say ehh he's ok. Seriously ask around

I'd kill for mediocre!!

HEROHAMO wrote:I am sorry but Kirk is just Mediocre. He plays ok at times but when it counts he always comes up short.
If we cling our hopes to him we will be just above .500 every year.

In his first pro bowl he loses. In a charity game he loses and pushes a ref? He can't even beat an old Doug Flutie?

Personally I thought it was stupid of Kirk to rub Scotty Macs hair like that. Kirk acted like he won us a SuperBowl after that Packers game.

To you all of the Kirk supporters. Just ask any non Redskin fan what they think about Kirk Cousins.

Most will say who? Then those that do watch football will say ehh he's ok. Seriously ask around

So let's say we improve our DEF to average --- are we still around .500? After all, Cousins lead us to that record with a bottom 3 DEF this past year.

I think you are stretching a bit when you reference a pro bowl game and flag football charity game when it comes to him "choking"..... If you are going to throw in those, you might as well throw in that game of connect-4 Cousins lost back in 2007 to his younger brother. Total choke-job on his part.....

You make a good point.

You know Derek Carr is the younger brother of David Carr?
I wonder when Jebediah Cousins hits college.

markshark84 wrote:So let's say we improve our DEF to average --- are we still around .500? After all, Cousins lead us to that record with a bottom 3 DEF this past year.

Quit confusing people with logic and common sense, bro.

riggofan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:So let's say we improve our DEF to average --- are we still around .500? After all, Cousins lead us to that record with a bottom 3 DEF this past year.

Quit confusing people with logic and common sense, bro.

yeah - it's really that simple - give me a break

"logic and common sense" OMG

HEROHAMO wrote:You make a good point.

You know Derek Carr is the younger brother of David Carr?
I wonder when Jebediah Cousins hits college.

I'm not sure, but I do know that Jebediah's a MUCH better connect-4 player......

SkinsJock wrote:yeah - it's really that simple - give me a break

"logic and common sense" OMG