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Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:06 am
by elprez19
I am so disgusted that I had to wait all offseason to watch the Redskins open up at home with two losses after winning the division. We are not a good team and even worse is our coaches are crapping the bed. They don't have the team ready and focused to win easy games. We better be scouting D line, LB's, and QB's hard right now for the draft because we may be contending for the 1st overall pick by mid season. Not impressed with this coaching staff, we caused one 3 and out the entire game...Barry has got to go, he's bushleague
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:18 am
by SkinsJock
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:SkinsJock wrote:why are the Kirk Cousins fans not posting here - c'mon guys, let's hear something ... we're hearing words like poised and composed when talking about the pukes rookie QB and not Cousins who many here thought would prove to be a really good QB - is there any doubt that one of the better things this FO did was to NOT sign Cousins to any sort of contract that would have kept him here any longer than we need to confirm that he is just a good QB and not worth very much at all
YOU LIKE THAT ....
OK, I was a fan. I made the case, as well as others, that he was the better choice over RG3. He still is better than RG3 -- even when that prima donna is healthy. That being said, Cousins doesn't have the mental strength to overcome adversity. Whether that adversity is a tough defense or simply high expectations, he doesn't seem well adept to handling the pressure. No one can fix that for him.
Even with his flaws, though, Cousins is still a better quarterback than RG3. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear to be our long term answer. LOL at that.
I was one that thought that Griffin was a better QB than Cousins - I was wrong - I also thought it was a really good move to not sign Cousins to a long term deal - maybe I'm wrong about that as well
It will be interesting to see what happens - Cousins seemed to think that the offer he received was not good enough and he was going to go out and show everybody that he's a lot better - Cousins is clearly showing that he's worth very much at all
btw - I agree that even as bad as Cousins is playing right now he's still a better NFL QB than Griffin is now - Griffin had more talent physically, he just doesn't have the mental strength
I would not be surprised to see us playing the Browns with both franchises at 0-3 - I doubt that Gruden is let go during the season but it's going to take a minor miracle for him or Cousins to be back here in 2017 if this franchise only wins 4 or 5 games
sometimes you lose games you should win - good HCs don't lose games like that game yesterday
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:38 am
by DaSkinz Baby
Why is the Cousins is better than RGIII still a topic here. RGIII is gone people get over it, he has left DC, his wife and his daughter! It's not about who is better it's about what I have said from day 1. Kirk Cousins is a career backup at best. He has a interception gene that went away last year because of the teams we played. Kirk hasn't and won't beat any team with a winning record. Jay Gruden and his Arena League Offense sucks. Gruden couldn't make it as a QB in the NFL and he isn't making it as a HC in this league either. Joe Barry is terrible. He has no clue what to practice or how to get his team in position to win. How the hell you again let a 4th round rookie QB look like a 5 year all pro? The factual information is consistency. Since Snyder brought this team they are perennial losers Snyder laughs all the way to the bank and nothing really changes. Doesn't matter the GM or the HC we hire yes men and drunks that is point blank fact. Listen to what the players are saying the coaches make no adjustments! But Barry says covering 1 on 1 is too complicated. So he calls his secondary stupid? This team is laughable and the talk shows that talk about the Redskins are spineless wimps. They don't call a spade a spade and they don't ask the hard questions to players or coaches that call in.
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:22 pm
by Deadskins
DaSkinz Baby wrote:Jay Gruden and his Arena League Offense sucks.
Please stop with the Arena League Offense BS. Gruden may not be a good HC, but it has been clearly demonstrated that the offense works well as long as there is competent QB play. we could have easily scored 40+ points yesterday, if Kirk was hitting his targets. It's not the scheme that prevents us from scoring, but the sub-par play from the most important position on the field.
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:40 pm
by SkinsJock
to add to Deadskins point - Jay Gruden may not be a good HC but he's not a bad HC - there's no way we could have let Gruden go after last season - we have made progress since Scot came in - there were too many areas of major concern to fix in the way that Scot feels is best for the franchise long term - thankfully, we have stopped the bleeding and we are getting better
McVay, Barry and Cousins had the most to gain by having really good seasons - those 3 and Gruden will be under a lot of scrutiny for the remainder of this season
there are obviously coaches and players that need to do their jobs better - there will be a lot of pressure on these guys this week but can you imagine what it will be like getting ready to play the Browns at 0-3 - NOT PRETTY
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:42 pm
by grampi
hitmandm wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:This team has been undisciplined under Gruden from the start. Amongst a myriad of other reasons... I think there's a strong possibility he isn't back next year.
He is way out of his depth. It is clear he isn't NFL HC material.
That seems to be only type of HCs the Skins ever get...why can't we get a Bilichick? Danny Boy's certainly got enough money to get one...
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:45 pm
by grampi
SkinsJock wrote:to add to Deadskins point - Jay Gruden may not be a good HC but he's not a bad HC - there's no way we could have let Gruden go after last season - we have made progress since Scot came in - there were too many areas of major concern to fix in the way that Scot feels is best for the franchise long term - thankfully, we have stopped the bleeding and we are getting better
McVay, Barry and Cousins had the most to gain by having really good seasons - those 3 and Gruden will be under a lot of scrutiny for the remainder of this season
there are obviously coaches and players that need to do their jobs better - there will be a lot of pressure on these guys this week but can you imagine what it will be like getting ready to play the Browns at 0-3 - NOT PRETTY
The way the Skins are playing, they will lose the Browns, making them lowliest of all the scum teams in the league...
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:50 pm
by DaSkinz Baby
Deadskins wrote:DaSkinz Baby wrote:Jay Gruden and his Arena League Offense sucks.
Please stop with the Arena League Offense BS. Gruden may not be a good HC, but it has been clearly demonstrated that the offense works well as long as there is competent QB play. we could have easily scored 40+ points yesterday, if Kirk was hitting his targets. It's not the scheme that prevents us from scoring, but the sub-par play from the most important position on the field.
His Arena League SUCKS look at Cincy while he was there. He had a AJ Green and Marvin Lewis running the defense that gave the appearance that it works. You mean to tell me this offense that you claim is so good that has arguably one of the best deepest receiving corps and they are 0-2 and can't score? Come on man stop drinking the kool aide and accept what's fact. Jay Gruden is a hack at best and as I said couldn't make it as a NFL QB and only is in the NFL because of who his brother is. That sir is fact!
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:53 pm
by DaSkinz Baby
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:43 pm
by Deadskins
DaSkinz Baby wrote:Deadskins wrote:DaSkinz Baby wrote:Jay Gruden and his Arena League Offense sucks.
Please stop with the Arena League Offense BS. Gruden may not be a good HC, but it has been clearly demonstrated that the offense works well as long as there is competent QB play. we could have easily scored 40+ points yesterday, if Kirk was hitting his targets. It's not the scheme that prevents us from scoring, but the sub-par play from the most important position on the field.
His Arena League SUCKS look at Cincy while he was there. He had a AJ Green and Marvin Lewis running the defense that gave the appearance that it works. You mean to tell me this offense that you claim is so good that has arguably one of the best deepest receiving corps and they are 0-2 and can't score? Come on man stop drinking the kool aide and accept what's fact. Jay Gruden is a hack at best and as I said couldn't make it as a NFL QB and only is in the NFL because of who his brother is. That sir is fact!
You are saying things are facts, that are demonstrably untrue. First, this isn't an Arena league offense in any way shape or form. It is a standard "west coast" offense that has been in the league since Bill Walsh invented it. The fact that Gruden was a QB in the Arena League has absolutely nothing to do with the offensive scheme. Stick to your message that he sucks as a coach, because that ALO stuff is nonsense.
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:03 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:Agreed I just think it would be a Gruden move....much like Rex firing his OC after the Jets game?
Assume they did can Joe Barry. What DC is a) available and b) wants this job? I think it would be easier to replace Gruden, honestly.
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:28 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Kirk Grossman ladies and gentlemen....
Hoping like hell we see sexy Kirksy sooner then later..
Matt Jones, DJax... them boys is hungry- feed em!
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:00 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Maybe we can make a move for Garappolo when be heals??
LMAO
.... but no, seriously
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:52 pm
by markshark84
Posters are full on ready to blow up the entire team.....
We are 0-2; everyone knew we were going to lose against PIT. We dropped a game against DAL; one we should have won at home. While bad, 0-2 was a decent likelihood coming into the season. Personally, I saw this squad as 9-7 AT BEST; more like 7-9 to 8-8. We didn't improve the areas we really needed to: DL, RB, and OL. If you don't get significantly better in the offseason, chances are you are going to be worse that next year. That's the situation we are currently in.
As far as the game yesterday, my takes (in order of importance):
- Our DEF is horrible; WAY worse than last year ---- and 99% due to the DL and our inability to pressure the QB. Mix in the fact our DC is not very good (which is par to the inability to get pressure on the QB). Breeland appears worse and I have no clue why. Our DEF is giving up 32.5 ppg, which is currently the 3rd worst in the NFL.
- Cousins is playing below average ball. Yesterday, he missed 2 BIG TIME plays: one on an overthrow in Q1 and another were DJack was wide open for a TD. Arguments can be made for a couple throws to Garcon as well (although the TD pass incompletion to PG was CLEARLY PI). This being said, he is getting absolutely no help from his running game or OL. He is #3 in ypg and #1 in pass attempts per game. Our HC/OC are relying too much on him to do everything --- something he is clearly not equipped to do. Not signing him to a long term deal MAY PERHAPS have been a MAJOR win for this franchise....
- Our playcalling on OFF has been putrid. Those fade routes to Doctson.... WTF????? Our playcalling the last 2 games:
vs. PIT: 44 passing plays, 11 rushing plays
vs. DAL: 48 passing plays, 15 rushing plays
This isn't what I consider as "balanced" or even remotely close to what it should be. We need more help from our RB and OL; both of whom have been playing poorly (even worse than Cousins). Teams with QBs that have made more than 80 pass attempts this year are a combined 4-12. This can't continue and our RB situation should have been addressed this past offseason.
Teams are also double and triple covering Reed. Our OC needs to identify this early and make the proper adjustments --- and NO, (insert sarcasm font) throwing fades to Doctson isn't an "adjustment".....
- Litchsteiger needs to get replaced.
All in all, not a good start.
Prototypical Grudin loss yesterday
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:43 pm
by harrytheofiledes
I've been a fan since the late 60's. Do you know my moniker? Anyway, I'm getting tired of Grudin. No,been tired of him.
Its easy to see why we lost yesterday. The D was terrible yet we still could have easily won the game. Actually the run D wasn't as bad as the passing D.
Josh Norman did well again and finally they let him follow Dez to the right side by the late 3rd quarter. The run D held them to 102 yards total on 30 carries for only 3.4 per carry.
We allowed Prescott to go 22/30, 292 yards. We had little pressure as usual and lots of wide open guys especially TEs open in the flats. Backs too with nobody near.
Offensively we abandoned the run even though we averaged 4.8 per carry! I'm so sick of Grudin being so pass happy. You have to be balanced to win.
Cousins played only OK but below average for him. The pick was terrible but so was underthrowing
Doctson who would have scored a TD with even a decent thrown ball. Overthrew a wide open DJ too.
Penalties and other issues show me the team will never be a winner with him. I'm not seeing improvement in his third year. Not enough anyway. Sure we still might win the division but we won't win in the post season. Grudin is not going to change all of a sudden. We have seen who he is.
On a happier note I saw Joe Jacoby last year at Starbucks in Winchester. He looked great, far below his hog playing weight.
ET
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:01 pm
by SkinsJock
the issue is not that our defense is playing badly - most of us expected something like that - the issue is that the offense is not even close to what we thought it would be
I agree that 8 or 9 wins is OK for this team but we're not winning 6 games with this offense even if the defense plays well
Re: Prototypical Grudin loss yesterday
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:16 pm
by welch
harrytheofiledes wrote:I've been a fan since the late 60's. Do you know my moniker? Anyway, I'm getting tired of Grudin. No,been tired of him.
Its easy to see why we lost yesterday. The D was terrible yet we still could have easily won the game. Actually the run D wasn't as bad as the passing D.
Josh Norman did well again and finally they let him follow Dez to the right side by the late 3rd quarter. The run D held them to 102 yards total on 30 carries for only 3.4 per carry.
We allowed Prescott to go 22/30, 292 yards. We had little pressure as usual and lots of wide open guys especially TEs open in the flats. Backs too with nobody near.
Offensively we abandoned the run even though we averaged 4.8 per carry! I'm so sick of Grudin being so pass happy. You have to be balanced to win.
Cousins played only OK but below average for him. The pick was terrible but so was underthrowing
Doctson who would have scored a TD with even a decent thrown ball. Overthrew a wide open DJ too.
Penalties and other issues show me the team will never be a winner with him. I'm not seeing improvement in his third year. Not enough anyway. Sure we still might win the division but we won't win in the post season. Grudin is not going to change all of a sudden. We have seen who he is.
On a happier note I saw Joe Jacoby last year at Starbucks in Winchester. He looked great, far below his hog playing weight.
ET
Welcome, Theofiledes! (Long ago, I played a game of "name the starting QB's the Redskins have had"...Harry was one that almost no one remembered.)
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:41 am
by DEHog
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:DEHog wrote:Agreed I just think it would be a Gruden move....much like Rex firing his OC after the Jets game?
Assume they did can Joe Barry. What DC is a) available and b) wants this job? I think it would be easier to replace Gruden, honestly.
I don't think any would take it..Would probally go to Fewell...JS that Gruden might make the move to try and quite the masses....or maybe not?? Not sure it would be easier to replace Gruden...who's out there? May have to wait and see who becomes availible. Love to see Dungy come here, but that ain't happening. As I've already said why not Russ Grimm??
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:20 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:DEHog wrote:Agreed I just think it would be a Gruden move....much like Rex firing his OC after the Jets game?
Assume they did can Joe Barry. What DC is a) available and b) wants this job? I think it would be easier to replace Gruden, honestly.
I don't think any would take it..Would probally go to Fewell...JS that Gruden might make the move to try and quite the masses....or maybe not?? Not sure it would be easier to replace Gruden...who's out there? May have to wait and see who becomes availible. Love to see Dungy come here, but that ain't happening. As I've already said why not Russ Grimm??
I'd love to see Russ Grimm get the opportunity, but remember this franchise could have hired Todd Bowles and didn't.
Re: Cowboys @ Redskins Postgame
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:32 pm
by PAPDOG67
markshark84 wrote::shock:
Posters are full on ready to blow up the entire team.....
We are 0-2; everyone knew we were going to lose against PIT. We dropped a game against DAL; one we should have won at home. While bad, 0-2 was a decent likelihood coming into the season. Personally, I saw this squad as 9-7 AT BEST; more like 7-9 to 8-8. We didn't improve the areas we really needed to: DL, RB, and OL. If you don't get significantly better in the offseason, chances are you are going to be worse that next year. That's the situation we are currently in.
As far as the game yesterday, my takes (in order of importance):
- Our DEF is horrible; WAY worse than last year ---- and 99% due to the DL and our inability to pressure the QB. Mix in the fact our DC is not very good (which is par to the inability to get pressure on the QB). Breeland appears worse and I have no clue why. Our DEF is giving up 32.5 ppg, which is currently the 3rd worst in the NFL.
- Cousins is playing below average ball. Yesterday, he missed 2 BIG TIME plays: one on an overthrow in Q1 and another were DJack was wide open for a TD. Arguments can be made for a couple throws to Garcon as well (although the TD pass incompletion to PG was CLEARLY PI). This being said, he is getting absolutely no help from his running game or OL. He is #3 in ypg and #1 in pass attempts per game. Our HC/OC are relying too much on him to do everything --- something he is clearly not equipped to do. Not signing him to a long term deal MAY PERHAPS have been a MAJOR win for this franchise....
- Our playcalling on OFF has been putrid. Those fade routes to Doctson.... WTF????? Our playcalling the last 2 games:
vs. PIT: 44 passing plays, 11 rushing plays
vs. DAL: 48 passing plays, 15 rushing plays
This isn't what I consider as "balanced" or even remotely close to what it should be. We need more help from our RB and OL; both of whom have been playing poorly (even worse than Cousins). Teams with QBs that have made more than 80 pass attempts this year are a combined 4-12. This can't continue and our RB situation should have been addressed this past offseason.
Teams are also double and triple covering Reed. Our OC needs to identify this early and make the proper adjustments --- and NO, (insert sarcasm font) throwing fades to Doctson isn't an "adjustment".....
- Litchsteiger needs to get replaced.
All in all, not a good start.
Excellet post on all counts. Kory needs to go immediately. Time to put Long in at the C position.
Definitely need to try and run the ball more. Might be time to see what Kelley can do.