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I don’t think there will be any “I told you so” when it comes to RG in D.C. The bottom line is that he didn’t perform well enough while he was here. If anything the Redskins should get the brunt of the credit for any of his future success for doing what he probably needed the most…being humbled!

DEHog wrote:I don’t think there will be any “I told you so” when it comes to RG in D.C. The bottom line is that he didn’t perform well enough while he was here. If anything the Redskins should get the brunt of the credit for any of his future success for doing what he probably needed the most ... being humbled!

no worries - from what we've already heard, Griffin has already admitted that he's responsible for not doing better here, to Hue

that's not what some of us here are going to really enjoy should Griffin show that he can play QB in the NFL ....

FWIW - there are some Griffin haters here that know that Griffin cannot play QB in the NFL - no matter what

I'm just hoping that Griffin proves these guys wrong

DEHog wrote:

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Griffin sucked in DC because he failed to learn how to run a conventional pro offense. He wasn't even improving so he probably just doesn't think fast enough for the NFL. The last time Griffin played in the Detroit preseason game he seemed more clueless than ever. I find it remarkable another NFL franchise is willing to pay 6.75M for a guy who sucks as bad as Griffin and also throws teammates and coaches under the bus. I suppose the last resort, mistake along the lake, happy to have a job franchise needs to pay high risk premiums to even the bottom of the barrel slugs like Griffin. I going with 3 on the over/under of Griffin Cleveland starts

HEROHAMO wrote:Starting qbs have in general not been too friendly to the backup qb. Bretton Farve and Aarons Rogers for example. Joe Montana and Steve Young. It's only natural to not be best of friends with someone who's trying to take your job.

OTOH... there was Sonny and Billy... who would often do the town, creating mischief and playful mayhem...

SkinsJock wrote:

DEHog wrote:I don’t think there will be any “I told you so” when it comes to RG in D.C. The bottom line is that he didn’t perform well enough while he was here. If anything the Redskins should get the brunt of the credit for any of his future success for doing what he probably needed the most ... being humbled!

no worries - from what we've already heard, Griffin has already admitted that he's responsible for not doing better here, to Hue

that's not what some of us here are going to really enjoy should Griffin show that he can play QB in the NFL ....

FWIW - there are some Griffin haters here that know that Griffin cannot play QB in the NFL - no matter what

I'm just hoping that Griffin proves these guys wrong

Have fun in the "dawg pound"!

Countertrey wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Starting qbs have in general not been too friendly to the backup qb. Bretton Farve and Aarons Rogers for example. Joe Montana and Steve Young. It's only natural to not be best of friends with someone who's trying to take your job.

OTOH... there was Sonny and Billy... who would often do the town, creating mischief and playful mayhem...

Not to mention that Aaron Rodgers was a first round pick who was clearly drafted to eventually replace Farve. Comparing that situation to Griffin/Cousins is

Anyway. No winning this tired argument. I suspect the fans still wounded over RG3 are going to remain that way for the foreseeable future. Maybe Griffin will prove them all right, just doesn't seem likely to me. Even if I was a believer in Griffin at this point, the Browns' situation is a complete mess. Seems like the worst possible spot to try revive his career. Good luck with that.

Dudes.......................THIS SHIP has sailed...!!!

Wave goodbye and wish him well. Close the book and move on.........................

tribeofjudah wrote:Dudes.......................THIS SHIP has sailed...!!!

Wave goodbye and wish him well. Close the book and move on.........................

Oh you WISH, man. You're still going to have endure 17 weeks of "I told you so" threads after every Browns game this season.

Possibly five or six weeks if Griffin still hasn't learned how to run out of bounds yet.

I agree that Cleveland is a very difficult place to play QB ... it really does not matter ...
If Griffin cannot play QB, as some here claim, it does not matter where he is playing

this is simple - some here think that Griffin cannot play QB in the NFL and there are some here that think, despite all the evidence, he can

there's nothing more to it than that ... Griffin is no longer a Redskin but I don't think he's finished as an NFL QB

SkinsJock wrote:this is simple - some here think that Griffin cannot play QB in the NFL and there are some here that think, despite all the evidence, he can

there's nothing more to it than that ... Griffin is no longer a Redskin but I don't think he's finished as an NFL QB

He was finished as an NFL quarterback two seasons ago. Teams don't make a habit of putting NFL talent in street clothes for 15 games.

By saying you don't think RGIII is finished as an NFL quarterback you're saying you think you're smarter than Jay Gruden and Scot McCloughan as well as Mike Shanahan.

You're also saying you think Cleveland's organization is smarter than not only Washington's but also every other franchise who elected to pass on RGIII's services.

Let me remind you this is the same player who came out last week and said, "Nothing has ever been handed to me in my life."

Really? The Redskins didn’t give Griffin the job in the 2013 opener when clearly he wasn’t healed from the playoff injury eight months earlier? They didn’t give him a second chance in 2014 when again returning from an injury despite Colt McCoy playing well?

Not only does RGIII lack fundamental pocket passer quarterback skills necessary at the NFL level but he also hasn't learned a damn thing about accepting responsibility and accountability, whatever nonsense he told Hue Jackson notwithstanding.

Have I mentioned I'll be thrilled when a player who hasn't been relevant in two years is no longer a topic of discussion?

RGIII is going to go down as the worst draft pick in NFL history. Three 1sts and a 2nd for a player who accomplished the same thing as Tim Tebow.

Here. Let me fix your post.

SkinsJock wrote:this is simple - I don't think

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:By saying you don't think RGIII is finished as an NFL quarterback you're saying you think you're smarter than Jay Gruden and Scot McCloughan as well as Mike Shanahan. You're also saying you think Cleveland's organization is smarter than not only Washington's but also every other franchise who elected to pass on RGIII's services.

that's just your myopic take on it not mine I'm not as much of a Gruden or Shanahan fan as you obviously are
Scot let Griffin go because he did not fit what Scot has planned for this franchise - NOT because he thinks that Griffin cannot play QB

Not only does RGIII lack fundamental pocket passer quarterback skills necessary at the NFL level but he also hasn't learned a damn thing about accepting responsibility and accountability, whatever nonsense he told Hue Jackson notwithstanding.

it really is simple - I don't agree with you (& others here) about whether Griffin can still play QB or not

don't worry - I'll keep you up to speed ....

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Have I mentioned I'll be thrilled when a player who hasn't been relevant in two years is no longer a topic of discussion?

SORRY, that's certainly not happening!! - I can promise you this

SkinsJock wrote:Scot let Griffin go because he did not fit what Scot has planned for this franchise - NOT because he thinks that Griffin cannot play QB

That is some fantastic word salad right there, my man.

SkinsJock wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:By saying you don't think RGIII is finished as an NFL quarterback you're saying you think you're smarter than Jay Gruden and Scot McCloughan as well as Mike Shanahan. You're also saying you think Cleveland's organization is smarter than not only Washington's but also every other franchise who elected to pass on RGIII's services.

that's just your myopic take on it not mine I'm not as much of a Gruden or Shanahan fan as you obviously are
Scot let Griffin go because he did not fit what Scot has planned for this franchise - NOT because he thinks that Griffin cannot play QB

Not only does RGIII lack fundamental pocket passer quarterback skills necessary at the NFL level but he also hasn't learned a damn thing about accepting responsibility and accountability, whatever nonsense he told Hue Jackson notwithstanding.

it really is simple - I don't agree with you (& others here) about whether Griffin can still play QB or not

don't worry - I'll keep you up to speed ....

Oh, Jocko... There is no more physically gifted player in the NFL today... I believe that. This is a young man who would OWN the NFL if he knew how to play quarterback... His passes, when he is comfortable, are a thing of beauty.

But, I also believe that there is something in his constitutional make-up that keeps him from accepting coaching... A receptive player would have taken about 3 years to become conversant from the pocket... but, when you watch the young man repeatedly make the same mistakes... forgetting how many steps he is dropping... taking unnecessary sacks... not recognizing defenses... failing to protect himself... you must conclude the same. Working the pocket is an essential skill for an elite NFL QB... and Bob showed literally no progress in developing this skill set. He is still a limited, one read option quarterback... with questionable wheels.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Three 1sts and a 2nd for a player who accomplished the same thing as Tim Tebow.

Tebow's won a playoff game.

SkinsJock wrote:it really is simple - I don't agree with you (& others here) about whether Griffin can still play QB or not

This is literally all you had to say.

To suggest that Scot let Griffin go because he wasn't part of his plans and not because he didn't think he could play QB is utterly ridiculous. If he was half as talented at the QB position as you think he is, he'd still be on our roster. Or the Jets. Or the Rams. Or the Broncos.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:it really is simple - I don't agree with you (& others here) about whether Griffin can still play QB or not

This is literally all you had to say. To suggest that Scot let Griffin go because he wasn't part of his plans and not because he didn't think he could play QB is utterly ridiculous. If he was half as talented at the QB position as you think he is, he'd still be on our roster. Or the Jets. Or the Rams. Or the Broncos.

please show me where I have recently given any indication of what level of "talent" Griffin is at - it's NOT 'utterly ridiculous' to think that Scot let Griffin go because he felt that Griffin did not fit in here and not because he can't play QB - PLUS - Both Gruden ad Scot indicated otherwise recently as well

I think that Griffin can still play QB in the NFL and Hue must think so too

I still have hopes that Griffin will respond better to his new environment - I have a feeling that there were many extenuating circumstances here that precluded him from making the progress he needed to make

he is getting a shot at redemption and I think he will be incredibly motivated to prove that he can still play QB

I think it's stupid to think that the Redskins might have kept Griffin - there was no way that these guys wanted to have that distraction and there was no way that Griffin was staying here - The choice to let Griffin go was not based on whether or not he could play QB

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:it really is simple - I don't agree with you (& others here) about whether Griffin can still play QB or not

This is literally all you had to say. To suggest that Scot let Griffin go because he wasn't part of his plans and not because he didn't think he could play QB is utterly ridiculous. If he was half as talented at the QB position as you think he is, he'd still be on our roster. Or the Jets. Or the Rams. Or the Broncos.

please show me where I have recently given any indication of what level of "talent" Griffin is at - it's NOT 'utterly ridiculous' to think that Scot let Griffin go because he felt that Griffin did not fit in here and not because he can't play QB - PLUS - Both Gruden ad Scot indicated otherwise recently as well

I think that Griffin can still play QB in the NFL and Hue must think so too

Back in the day I almost never aagreed with SJ, I didn't always post my difference but to agree with his thought process was. That being said, I believe he's correct on both of his statements as far as RGIII goes... I think he is a NFL QB and he can still play at a high level. I think he has learned more running around in street clothes for a whole season than he learned having the world handed to him his whole football life. I also think Scot and Jay believe that but RGIII just doesn't fit what they ate doing and Kurt would have bounced (tag or no tag) if Robert returned. Time will tell and IF Hue gets what he wants it will be almost like his rookie year with Cleveland with most of his passing yards going to the soon to be re-enstated and RGIII's favorite Baylor target Josh Gordon.

1niksder wrote:I also think Scot and Jay believe that but RGIII just doesn't fit what they ate doing

If by "didn't fit what they are doing" you mean "couldn't play the position and was completely horrible" then I guess you guys are right that Griffin didn't fit what Scot and Jay were looking for.

1niksder wrote:Back in the day I almost never aagreed with SJ, I didn't always post my difference but to agree with his thought process was. That being said, I believe he's correct on both of his statements as far as RGIII goes... I think he is a NFL QB and he can still play at a high level. I think he has learned more running around in street clothes for a whole season than he learned having the world handed to him his whole football life. I also think Scot and Jay believe that but RGIII just doesn't fit what they ate doing and Kurt would have bounced (tag or no tag) if Robert returned. Time will tell and IF Hue gets what he wants it will be almost like his rookie year with Cleveland with most of his passing yards going to the soon to be re-enstated and RGIII's favorite Baylor target Josh Gordon.

RGIII also doesn't fit what 31 other NFL teams are doing, which is trying to win games. He fits the one that doesn't give two turds about winning because they don't do much of it.

SkinsJock wrote:it's NOT 'utterly ridiculous' to think that Scot let Griffin go because he felt that Griffin did not fit in here and not because he can't play QB - PLUS - Both Gruden ad Scot indicated otherwise recently as well

It's called "coach speak".

If anything, Griffin should be grateful that both Scot and Gruden are saying positive things about him. And it is utterly ridiculous to suggest that a team would let go a solid NFL QB simply because he doesn't "fit". If there was any semblance of hope or improvement for him, as seen by Scot, he'd still be on the roster. Or at the very least, they would have released him and attempted to resign him to a team friendly deal. The fact that no one other than Cleveland showed interest in signing him should speak volumes.

When we last saw Griffin his QB talents inventory where:

Positives:

1. Good strong throwing arm with sufficient accuracy for the NFL.

2. Better than required for QB straight ahead spreed.


Negatives:

1. Doesn't read defenses after 4 years in the league

2. Can't accurately call protections because he can't read defenses and understand what and how to call the necessary protections.

3. fails to effectively shift and move within a pocket because of inability to read defenses and understand how to use the pocket in the protection that was called against the defense they are facing.

4. Is unable to consistently take the right drop. Fails to appreciate the importance of dropping the required depth and this and sets his OL up for failure.

5. Unable to scan the field and go through his route tree decide and throw in tempo with his receivers.

6. Holds the ball to too long and gets sacked too frequently.

7. While a fast runner Griffin subjects him self to too many hits when he rolls out.

8. Judging by history is frail and injury prone.

9. Poor leader. Griffin absorbs praise and reflects criticism blaming others when things don't go well for him.

10. No longer has exceptional lateral quickness to help him elude rushers.

I don't know if Griffin can't accept coaching or he just is unable to absorb the subject matter and apply it. I tend to believe the latter because if he had the raw ability to learn how to process the information field I think we would have seen some progress from him whether he worked well with coaches or not after 4 years he'd have made SOME progress.