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SkinsJock wrote:I choose to look at where we were before Scot came in and where we are now - this is an amazing transformation ...

Some may think we're in decent shape - I think that Scot knows exactly what needs to happen here and he will get it done

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I choose to look at where we were before Scot came in and where we are now - this is an amazing transformation. Some may think we're in decent shape - I think that Scot knows exactly what needs to happen here and he will get it done

"Scot is a good GM" is not really an opinion on the state of team depth or anything else.

SkinsJock wrote:we may have some depth but it's a little like the Chesapeake Bay .. it's deep in a very few places and very shallow most everywhere else

elprez19 wrote:You get depth by drafting starters and in return your previous starters are back ups. Missing our 2 first rounders for the RG3 trade set us back on starting talent. I don't really care if we have 8 or 12 picks honestly because there is no guarantee that the late round picks even make the team. I'd rather have earlier picks and hope the scouts did their homework and get some legitimate talent as opposed to keep trading back and acquiring another 6th or 7th round pick but what do I know. I just know you have to fill your premier positions ( QB, LT, CB, DE, WR, and MLB) with supreme talent to have a chance. We have most of those filled. I think having a player like a Luke Kuechly would take our D to another level and a ball hawk safety/ corner. We need a DL or 2 but i think we could get one in the second round this year since its loaded with them. This is a very intriguing draft and I have no idea what we are going to do and honestly cant wait. Maybe we just draft offense and out score everyone. I'm also intrigued with Michael Thomas who BR said we have rated as the number 1 receiver on our board. I didn't see the Scherff pick last year and I'm sure it'll be the same this year. I think they will draft the best available player on the board regardless of the position if SM sticks to his plan. I don't think we are that far from be a serious team but damn, can we get a superstar on the Defense.

riggofan wrote:[ I like just about everything you wrote there man. I don't disagree about the late round picks not always making the team. McCloughan's argument though has been he has a better shot at finding a guy in the late rounds when he has more picks to use. Makes perfect sense.

I predicted we would take Scherff last year, but I don't think anyone was really confident about that. Seemed like a true toss up between him and Leonard Williams, and I think he took the player he felt was a sure thing.

Its going to be near impossible to guess who they might take at 21. So many picks ahead of them, and so much could change. I just know that these experts who are saying, "Skins need DL help" and have us picking a DL with the pick are off base. We need more talent on the team period. I feel pretty confident McCloughan is going to make sure we add BPA with that pick.

Personally, I really like this kid from Mississipi State, Chris Jones, the more I read about him.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/ ... id=2555393

SkinsJock wrote:I'd love to have a few 'superstar' players ... maybe just at QB, LT, CB, DE, WR, and MLB - the reality is we don't and the main reason we don't have many great players is that the people that were managing this franchise did not have a clue - thinking that we would have been better off if we had been able to use the picks we gave up for Griffin is just laughable - how in the world can anyone think that the same guys that made that trade, OR the trade for McNabb, were going to suddenly get some brain cells and find a way to help build a successful franchise - that is crazy

Where we are now is amazing considering the mess that was in place here at the end of 2014 - I like the way these guys are managing the franchise and adding the pieces they need - I also think that the way they are doing things is based on their own knowledge and is not 'copying' or trying to do things that have 'worked' for other franchises - this is not Baltimore or the Packers or the Steelers or the Patriots - this is a franchise that has not had a NFL savvy mind in charge for over 15 years - this franchise needs to be totally redone and I like how committed we seem to be to the draft - we do not need superstars, we just need a bunch of good players playing together as a team and these guys will find a way to get that done

we'll be better off if we have a bunch of good solid players playing together than if we have a few superstars all looking for huge contracts

elprez19 wrote:Love the substance here. I also like Chris Jones, he seems to be going in the second round in most mocks. Maybe we could snag him there but don't think he'll be around with our 2nd pick. I would love to be in our war room on draft day. I wish there were a show or something on this a few months after the draft that showed the whole process.

SkinsJock wrote:I am very sure that these guys are going to continue building by simply adding good players regardless of need ...

gotta love it - cannot have enough good, high character players

I am NOT at all down on the squad we have - younger, bigger and faster


btw - we're the NFC East Champions - we must be favored by everyone to repeat with all these quality players we have

elprez19 wrote:Mike Shanahan had some solid drafts also. Where would we be without Cousins and Reed last year?

riggofan wrote:

elprez19 wrote:Mike Shanahan had some solid drafts also. Where would we be without Cousins and Reed last year?

I hear what you're saying, but not sure I agree about Shanny. He had a bad record of trading away high round draft picks for guys like Jammal Brown, McNabb and Griffin.

He drafted 27 guys over three years. These are the eight guys who are still on the team: Trent, Perry Riley, Kerrigan, LeRib, Cousins, Jordan Reed, Niles Paul and Chris Thompson. Those are good players, but that's a lot of misses in there.

Weird as it is to say, I think Bruce Allen's draft in 2014 is looking OK. He got Murphy, Moses, Long, Breeland and Grant with his first five picks. 5 of 8 players who stuck with the team. Zack Hocker didn't win the job, but he's still kicking in the NFL.

elprez19 wrote: .. You keep talking like we didn't have any players before SM got here ...

riggofan wrote:Disappointed to see rape allegations against Shawn Oakman this morning. DE from Baylor. Thought he looked like a possibility for the team, but seems like - so far at least - McCloughan is staying away from those types of players.

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Disappointed to see rape allegations against Shawn Oakman this morning. DE from Baylor. Thought he looked like a possibility for the team, but seems like - so far at least - McCloughan is staying away from those types of players.

it really is amazing that so many kids with so much talent can make such bad decisions ...

and I totally agree with not adding players with any sort of character questions at all

OldSchool wrote:I hope the Redskins don't draft guys with character and behavior issues especially involving women. One few things the Redskins have done well during the Snyder years is keep a clean roster and I hope SM avoids taking guys with checkered records. You can't expect to build an entire roster of choirboys like Cousins but every guy on the team should come with a record of be a solid citizen in college.

OldSchool wrote:I hope the Redskins don't draft guys with character and behavior issues especially involving women. One few things the Redskins have done well during the Snyder years is keep a clean roster and I hope SM avoids taking guys with checkered records. You can't expect to build an entire roster of choirboys like Cousins but every guy on the team should come with a record of be a solid citizen in college.

Scot McCloughan: Character mattered when picking players

John Keim
ESPN Staff Writer

ASHBURN, Va. -- Washington Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan placed an emphasis on where players came from -- as well as what they did off the field. It formed the foundation of his first draft class with Washington.

He wanted players who were not only good, but also clean off the field. Of the 10 players the Redskins drafted, off-field concerns were not part of their scouting reports.

"The character off the field plays into going from good to great to special," McCloughan said. "Talent’s very, very important. But also the whole package to me is important. That’s what’s going to get the guys to their second contract. That’s what’s going to make us win games in January and February."

They bypassed Nebraska linebacker Randy Gregory. He tested positive for marijuana at the combine and reportedly many teams had other off-field concerns about him. Even though Gregory’s skills would have made him a second-round steal, a source said the Redskins entered the day knowing they would not select him.

"We definitely had many, many discussions about him -- many discussions -- because he is a talented player," McCloughan said. "I don't want to get into the background on him. A lot of it's become public, but that's his stuff. ... Each time we picked, we had a player on the board that fit being a Redskin."

One reason the Redskins drafted Brandon Scherff No. 5 overall was because of that emphasis on character. It mattered, too, that they viewed him as one of the top players on their board, so it wasn’t a reach.

They had considered trading the selection, but McCloughan said the one player teams wanted to trade up for was linebacker Dante Fowler Jr. Once he was gone, the calls from other teams to move up ended.

So they chose Scherff.

"I wanted my first pick to be here, no matter what, somebody that’s not just an impressive player," McCloughan said, "but an impressive person and somebody you can build around. Not only does he come in as a good football player, guys around him will be better because of the way he approaches the game."