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Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:21 pm
by welch
But teammate Mark May called Jacoby “the most dominant lineman in the whole NFL” during the peak of the Hogs. Jim Lachey this week described Jacoby as “kind of the heart and soul of that group.” Jeff Bostic, like many others, “certainly thought” Jacoby would be the first Hog into the Hall.
“What do you think we won with?” asked Bostic
Leaving Joe Jacoby out of the Hall of Fame is just as mistaken as it was, for years, to skip Art Monk.
Defensive lines had nicknames, from The Fearsome Foursome to the Purple People Eaters to the Steel Curtain. How many times has an OL been recognized? Q: why is this site named "The Hogs Net" even though the Hogs last played about 25 years ago? A: they were
that good.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:47 pm
by DEHog
Well he did make the first cut and was in the final 10. 4 of the 5 who were the last cut last year made it this year, so all signs point to him making it next year!
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:04 pm
by welch
DEHog wrote:Well he did make the first cut and was in the final 10. 4 of the 5 who were the last cut last year made it this year, so all signs point to him making it next year!
Good thoughts!!
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:59 pm
by Countertrey
DEHog wrote:Well he did make the first cut and was in the final 10. 4 of the 5 who were the last cut last year made it this year, so all signs point to him making it next year!
He should have made the first cut a decade ago...
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:11 pm
by DEHog
Countertrey wrote:DEHog wrote:Well he did make the first cut and was in the final 10. 4 of the 5 who were the last cut last year made it this year, so all signs point to him making it next year!
He should have made the first cut a decade ago...
No argument here. What kills me is the argument that Pace should go in before him...If Joe had went in this year on his 13th attempt and Pace went in next year on his 3rd..isn't Pace technically going in before him!!
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:20 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:Countertrey wrote:DEHog wrote:Well he did make the first cut and was in the final 10. 4 of the 5 who were the last cut last year made it this year, so all signs point to him making it next year!
He should have made the first cut a decade ago...
No argument here. What kills me is the argument that Pace should go in before him...If Joe had went in this year on his 13th attempt and Pace went in next year on his 3rd..isn't Pace technically going in before him!!
I thought the same. We're not talking about Jonathon Ogden. We're talking about Orlando Pace, who on no planet was in the same league a player as Joe Jacoby.
Quick: Name the best five players Jacoby blocked.
Now do the same for Pace ...
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:58 pm
by DarthMonk
The Hogs.
The Club/Cast.
50 Gut.
Counter Trey.
70 Chip.
All Decade Team.
SMH
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:28 am
by welch
Pace???
“I got hurt in 1985,” Jeff Bostic told me this week. “Jacoby threw David Galloway about six or seven feet in the air and he landed on my leg,” the center went on, describing an injury that left his knee shredded. “I mean, he threw 300-pound men around like they were a bale of hay. You can’t imagine how strong he was.”
“One game he moved to left guard,” Bostic said a few moments later. “I’ll never forget, I told him, Jake ‘Everything happens a little quicker in here, don’t get me picked, don’t let someone get into me on the side. He said ‘I won’t.’ The first tackle-tackle exchange, he threw the guy so far I didn’t even have to block him. He threw the guy all the way across my face. You can’t believe how strong this guy was. I honestly believe if he had taken a running start, he could knock the goal post down.”
How many times do we see an OL throw "300 pound men around like they were a bale of hay"? The Redskins beat down the Bears in playoffs two seasons in a row. Those were the "ultimate defense" Bears who terrified the Patriots in a Super Bowl, the Buddy Ryan annihilation defense Bears. Jacoby, Grimm, Bostic, May, Don Warren just kept hammering the Bears.
Years later, the Buddy-ball Eagles injured Mark Rypien and Stan Humphries in "the body-bag game". Redskins played the Eagles again in the playoffs. Gibbs' offensive plan was to run right at Jerome Brown and Reggie White, the Eagles' "all-world" DL foundation. Lachey and Bostic and Jacoby and Warren, and probably Grimm. The Hogs beat them into submission.
SB 26, 1992: Jacoby was at RT and, best I remember, Bruce Smith was at LE for the Bills. In the first quarter, Jacoby hit Smith over and over until Smith just seemed to lose interest in the game.
Nine years earlier, Jacoby demolished Randy White in the NFC Championship. Russ Grimm to White: "Coach likes you so much we're going to run that play again". And again and again...about six times in a row and the Cowboys could not stop it.
Think of it: Jacoby was an over-powering OT for about eleven consecutive seasons. Eleven!
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:27 am
by DEHog
I don’t look at it from the standpoint is Joe better than Pace? It’s more of are they both HOF’er? I’m hearing it came down to Pace vs Joe for induction this year “in the room”. My point is… just because you induct Pace this year, do you think you’re saying Pace is better? I would argue that the sooner you get in, i.e this was Pace’ second attempt, the better the voters think you are. That’s why so much emphasis is placed on being a first ballot HOf’er. So with that said the committee could have voted Jacoby in this year...on his 17th attempt and Pace next year on his third. Wouldn’t Pace still be considered the better player (by the voters) for the mere fact it only took 3 years to get it?
However, Pace was in the final 10 last year and it would’ve been hard to induct a guy over him who wasn’t even a finalist last year. Having made the top 10 this year Joe now has that distinction. I told a friend early this year my prediction was Pace this year and Joe next year. While I don’t think Pace was the better player, I just felt that way because of the vote last year. So next year is a virtual lock for Joe, with no big name OL becoming eligible it would truly be a travesty if he wasn’t voted in next year. One last thing, I heard the committee doesn’t put a lot of credence on SB wins, isn’t it ironic that all we’ve heard about from the media over the past 48 hours is Manning 2 Super Bowls!!
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:07 am
by DEHog
Step two complete!!
Former Washington Redskins All-Pro tackle Joe Jacboy is once again a semifinalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
On Wednesday evening, Jacoby, who spent his entire 13-year playing career with the Redskins, was named a semifinalist for possible induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame with the Class of 2017.It marks the seventh time that the Louisville product has been named a semifinalist. Although the wait for Jacoby to receive his gold jacket and bronze bust has been far too long now, he did get one step closer to enshrinement last year when was named a finalist for the first time. From 1983-86, Jacoby earned four Pro Bowl berths and was named a first-team All-Pro on two occasions. A member of the most famous offensive line in NFL history — “The Hogs” — Jacoby won three Super Bowls before retiring following the 1993 season. The next step to Canton is the semifinalists to be narrowed to 15 finalists in January.
On Saturday, Feb. 4, 2017, in Houston, the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection committee will determine who completes the class of 2017.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:48 pm
by SkinsJock
DEHog wrote:Step two complete!!
Former Washington Redskins All-Pro tackle Joe Jacboy is once again a semifinalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
On Wednesday evening, Jacoby, who spent his entire 13-year playing career with the Redskins, was named a semifinalist for possible induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame with the Class of 2017.It marks the seventh time that the Louisville product has been named a semifinalist. Although the wait for Jacoby to receive his gold jacket and bronze bust has been far too long now, he did get one step closer to enshrinement last year when was named a finalist for the first time. From 1983-86, Jacoby earned four Pro Bowl berths and was named a first-team All-Pro on two occasions. A member of the most famous offensive line in NFL history — “The Hogs” — Jacoby won three Super Bowls before retiring following the 1993 season. The next step to Canton is the semifinalists to be narrowed to 15 finalists in January.
On Saturday, Feb. 4, 2017, in Houston, the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection committee will determine who completes the class of 2017.
THANK YOU for this - this has got to happen
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:56 pm
by oj
Joe Jacoby deserves his own Hall of Fame.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:16 pm
by DEHog
Congrats to Joe for being selected as a finalist for the PFHOF class of 2017...on to Houston!!
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:41 pm
by mastdark81
Jacoby to me was probably our top olineman ever. Played tackle and guard well. When you talk about hogs this who I always think about. He was huge.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:28 am
by Deadskins
mastdark81 wrote:Jacoby to me was probably our top olineman ever. Played tackle and guard well. When you talk about hogs this who I always think about. He was huge.
He was great and definitely deserving of enshrinement. Being undrafted, his longevity and the fact that he played some guard as well puts him in the running for best ever. But, to me, Jim Lachey was a slightly better tackle. We've had an embarrassment of riches at that position for the last 35 years.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:33 am
by DEHog
Deadskins wrote:mastdark81 wrote:Jacoby to me was probably our top olineman ever. Played tackle and guard well. When you talk about hogs this who I always think about. He was huge.
He was great and definitely deserving of enshrinement. Being undrafted, his longevity and the fact that he played some guard as well puts him in the running for best ever. But, to me, Jim Lachey was a slightly better tackle. We've had an embarrassment of riches at that position for the last 35 years.
I hear people say that, but in fairness (and I pose the question to you) was it because Joe was at the end of his career and got moved to RT when Lachey came in?
Do you feel Lachey was better than Joe in his prime?
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:35 am
by DEHog
mastdark81 wrote:Jacoby to me was probably our top olineman ever. Played tackle and guard well. When you talk about hogs this who I always think about. He was huge.
No doubt, ironic that voters have held back voting for him because Grimm is in. I've heard many people says that Joe should have been voted in first!
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:50 am
by Deadskins
DEHog wrote:Do you feel Lachey was better than Joe in his prime?
Yes, but it's not a huge spread. And don't get me wrong, I love Joe, and think he is one of the greatest linemen of all time, not just for the Redskins.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:11 am
by DEHog
Deadskins wrote:DEHog wrote:Do you feel Lachey was better than Joe in his prime?
Yes, but it's not a huge spread. And don't get me wrong, I love Joe, and think he is one of the greatest linemen of all time, not just for the Redskins.
Fair enough, it's ironic that if Lachey had stayed in Oakland he'd be a HOF'er, but it will be a uphill climb for him now because of having two others from that line in the HOF.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:43 pm
by ferryrich
I can't understand these things about multiple linemen from from unit. The voters think nothing about a QB, RB, WR combo who would all be making each other better.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:35 am
by DEHog
ferryrich wrote:I can't understand these things about multiple linemen from from unit. The voters think nothing about a QB, RB, WR combo who would all be making each other better.
Yea that kind of bother me when I heard it, so we provided the voters with numerous examples of Olines with 2 players in the Hall.
None of them are an accomplished as the Hogs and the only discussion I'll have as to was as good or better was the great Raiders line of the 60/70's
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:54 pm
by mastdark81
Deadskins wrote:mastdark81 wrote:Jacoby to me was probably our top olineman ever. Played tackle and guard well. When you talk about hogs this who I always think about. He was huge.
He was great and definitely deserving of enshrinement. Being undrafted, his longevity and the fact that he played some guard as well puts him in the running for best ever. But, to me, Jim Lachey was a slightly better tackle. We've had an embarrassment of riches at that position for the last 35 years.
Lachey was great. He probably was a better overall pass blocker than Jacoby. But Jacoby was definitely a greater run blocker and was on all 3 of our super bowls compared to Lachey's 1 SB.
I am not old enough to know how good Grimm was, by the time I started to see him he was in decline.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:40 pm
by welch
As I remember it, Lawrence Taylor could always get around Jacoby on pass plays. Then the Redskins got Lachey and LT became frustrated. Lachey was very big and so nimble that however LT tried, Lachey was always between him and Rypien (and Humphries in some games). Still, LT was about the only defensive player who could manage Jacoby, and when Jacoby could line up LT between two other players, Jacoby would flatten LT.
Unfortunately, Lachey tore his knee early in Petibon's first, and last, season.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:23 am
by DEHog
I’ll respectfully disagree, did you know Joe was a highly recruited High school All-American Basketball player…so he was an athlete.
Joe Bugel said
A freak of nature ahead of his time, we put him at left tackle for one reason to match up against Lawrence Taylor.
Lawrence Taylor said
Jacoby was one of the linemen that always gave me trouble, because he was so big and so quick and so long. I was forced to create a move just for Jacoby. "Geritol," it what I called it, "because after the snap I tried to look like an old man running up to him." Unable to overwhelm him physically, I sought to lull Jacoby into a tactical mistake. For a bigger guy, he was able to move so although I was more athletic, he could really hold his own.
Russ Grimm said
The man played LT in a right-handed stance....unheard of in today's game but still had the quickness and strength to dominate the position. Durability, toughness, and the heart of a champion. Loved playing beside him, trusted him as a friend, and will always be like a brother. He deserves to be in The Hall.
Re: Joe Jacoby
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:16 am
by DEHog
Joe picked up nice a nice endorsementent from HOF'er Chris Doleman yesterday!
If I had to pick one,” he said, “I would go with Joe Jacoby. Just for the simple fact that Joe Jacoby lined up against Lawrence Taylor two times a year. When he played Dallas he always had to play either Charles Haley or one of the great defensive ends that were coming from that side of the ball.
“His works speak for themselves. This is his 19th year of eligibility, and if we don’t recognize him now when are we going to recognize him?”
Good question. Jacoby became a first-time finalist last year in his 18th year of eligibility and pulled one of the biggest surprises when he made the cut to 10. He is not what you’d call a favorite this year, but because he went so deep into the vote a year ago as a first-time finalist he is considered a wildcard for the Class of 2017.
And maybe that’s the way it should be. Because when we asked Doleman what makes a good … or great … pass protector, he again referenced Jacoby.
“There are two types (of pass protectors),” he said. “One, there’s a puncher-and-reset type of guy. So I would look at (Hall-of-Fame guard) Willie Roaf, who would sit back there, and he wants to stop your momentum, then reset, then stop your momentum and reset you.
“Then there’s the guy who is the counter puncher, a little bit more of a patient player who would allow you to make your move first. Then he locks in on you and is able to either run you past the quarterback or run you down inside toward the guard. Those are the kinds of guys who make it very difficult.
“Joe Jacoby had a long body. The guys who gave me the most trouble were very athletic guys. So you say, ‘How is Joe Jacoby known as a very athletic guy?’ Well, his feet and the way he kept his butt to the quarterback … it was the perfect position to keep that defensive end trying to get him upfield and coming underneath or trying to get him down inside, close to that guard, and work around that corner.
“So his protection — and that type of protection — are very, very difficult to beat. And he’s such a long body. I mean, you think you’re past him, and, all of a sudden, boom, he gives you a little push and knocks you off line.”