Opportunity to trade RGIII

[SkinsJock]

I would be VERY surprised (actually stunned) if Allen and Snyder are not a part of any decision regarding the HC ... at this time - Scot has earned some credibility but IMHO he does not have as much control as most of us would like - that being said, I also understand that the franchise would be best served by staying the course with Gruden for a little longer ... that is more likely if we finish the season like we finished the last game - the first half was atrocious but the second half made everyone happy - IMO Gruden has shown some promise but I think that Snyder and Allen will not be happy with how he has handled their favorite QB and Gruden needs to make a strong case to be back

Gruden and Cousins have 9 games to make their case - I hope that happens but I don't have a lot of confidence in either coming through

[riggofan]

I think you do have to sell it to a large portion of the fan base (like you and I ) who are tired of seeing the revolving HC door in Ashburn. You and I both know that Snyder would get crushed by the media and some of the fanbase for yet another coaching change. But having a new GM in town who didn't hire Gruden makes it a much "easier sell" IMO. My hope is it doesn't come to that!!

I'm going to go out on that limb, err, tree trunk, and suspect Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder would both be involved in any coaching change decision. I do think though that Scot McCloughan alone is responsible for the player personnel decisions.

I don't think that is much of a limb at all. McCloughan may think its time to fire Gruden, but Snyder is the one who would have to continue to pay him $5m/yr for the next three years.

[riggofan]

I think you do have to sell it to a large portion of the fan base (like you and I ) who are tired of seeing the revolving HC door in Ashburn. You and I both know that Snyder would get crushed by the media and some of the fanbase for yet another coaching change. But having a new GM in town who didn't hire Gruden makes it a much "easier sell" IMO. My hope is it doesn't come to that!!

Yeah that's a great point, man. I guess I don't really think of it as a large portion of the fan base who feel that way, but I hope you're right about it. I just assume the majority are like this hitmandm guy and want to fire the coach because we're not winning every quarter of every game. Because good coaches never lose.

You're 100% right though. If the team fires Gruden, I wouldn't be happy about it but I'd accept it if it comes from McCloughan.

[DEHog]

I think you do have to sell it to a large portion of the fan base (like you and I ) who are tired of seeing the revolving HC door in Ashburn. You and I both know that Snyder would get crushed by the media and some of the fanbase for yet another coaching change. But having a new GM in town who didn't hire Gruden makes it a much "easier sell" IMO. My hope is it doesn't come to that!!

Yeah that's a great point, man. I guess I don't really think of it as a large portion of the fan base who feel that way, but I hope you're right about it. I just assume the majority are like this hitmandm guy and want to fire the coach because we're not winning every quarter of every game. Because good coaches never lose.

You're 100% right though. If the team fires Gruden, I wouldn't be happy about it but I'd accept it if it comes from McCloughan.

Well you never really hear from the more reasonable fans, it's always the irrational fans that bark the loudest!! As for Snyder paying the rest of Gruden’s contract…when has he ever had an issue with that…it’s the major reason Gurden (a first time HC) got a 5 year guaranteed deal!!

[riggofan]

Well you never really hear from the more reasonable fans, it's always the irrational fans that bark the loudest!! As for Snyder paying the rest of Gruden’s contract…when has he ever had an issue with that…it’s the major reason Gurden (a first time HC) got a 5 year guaranteed deal!!

Yeah I have no doubt he does some cost/benefit analysis. Its going to cost me $15m over three years to fire Gruden, but I'll make $20m in season ticket renewals in one year by hiring Art Briles and telling the fans he's going to resurrect RGIII.

Winning off the field.

[SkinsJock]

That's the problem with Snyder - he doesn't have a clue and he can afford to do anything he wants - PLUS he craves the attention

[Deadskins]

And that's just the Football side of it...how many teams want to deal with his persona in their locker room?? I don't think there are going to be as many teams going after him as people may think.

You may be right, but I think RGIII has been humbled to a degree. He is a good person and I think has all the leadership type intangibles to be a successful QB. There is no question his head swelled to the size of Jupiter after 2012, but I think he has come back down to earth ---- or at least I would think that'd be the case.

I agree that there won't be a ton of suitors, but I think we'll see a couple. Who knows though. Honestly, I still wouldn't mind him being here next year if he'd take the league minimum.

+1

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Well you never really hear from the more reasonable fans, it's always the irrational fans that bark the loudest!! As for Snyder paying the rest of Gruden’s contract…when has he ever had an issue with that…it’s the major reason Gurden (a first time HC) got a 5 year guaranteed deal!!

Yeah I have no doubt he does some cost/benefit analysis. Its going to cost me $15m over three years to fire Gruden, but I'll make $20m in season ticket renewals in one year by hiring Art Briles and telling the fans he's going to resurrect RGIII.

Winning off the field.

Delete this post! Don't be giving Danny any ideas!

[DEHog]

And that's just the Football side of it...how many teams want to deal with his persona in their locker room?? I don't think there are going to be as many teams going after him as people may think.

You may be right, but I think RGIII has been humbled to a degree. He is a good person and I think has all the leadership type intangibles to be a successful QB. There is no question his head swelled to the size of Jupiter after 2012, but I think he has come back down to earth ---- or at least I would think that'd be the case.

I agree that there won't be a ton of suitors, but I think we'll see a couple. Who knows though. Honestly, I still wouldn't mind him being here next year if he'd take the league minimum.

+1

I don’t think Snyder would ever humiliate RG like that. IMO the reason we are seeing a “humbled” RG is because he auditioning for his next team…good for him if he learned and grew a little this year. The only way I see RG coming back is if a new coach is hired and Cousins is cut…which is entirely possible with this franchise.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

You may be right, but I think RGIII has been humbled to a degree. He is a good person and I think has all the leadership type intangibles to be a successful QB. There is no question his head swelled to the size of Jupiter after 2012, but I think he has come back down to earth ---- or at least I would think that'd be the case.

I agree that there won't be a ton of suitors, but I think we'll see a couple. Who knows though. Honestly, I still wouldn't mind him being here next year if he'd take the league minimum.

What gives you the impression he's been humbled? The way he ran out onto the field on Monday Night Football during pregame warmups when he wasn't even on the active gameday roster, perhaps?

[Deadskins]

Honestly, I still wouldn't mind him being here next year if he'd take the league minimum.

+1

I don’t think Snyder would ever humiliate RG like that. The only way I see RG coming back is if a new coach is hired and Cousins is cut…which is entirely possible with this franchise.

Oh, I don't realistically think it would happen either, I was just agreeing that I wouldn't mind it happening.

[Deadskins]

What gives you the impression he's been humbled? The way he ran out onto the field on Monday Night Football during pregame warmups when he wasn't even on the active gameday roster, perhaps?

No, it was when he said he was the best QB in the NFL.

[DEHog]

You may be right, but I think RGIII has been humbled to a degree. He is a good person and I think has all the leadership type intangibles to be a successful QB. There is no question his head swelled to the size of Jupiter after 2012, but I think he has come back down to earth ---- or at least I would think that'd be the case.

I agree that there won't be a ton of suitors, but I think we'll see a couple. Who knows though. Honestly, I still wouldn't mind him being here next year if he'd take the league minimum.

What gives you the impression he's been humbled? The way he ran out onto the field on Monday Night Football during pregame warmups when he wasn't even on the active gameday roster, perhaps?

In fairness to RG…what have you heard from him over the first 7 weeks of the season? As I already said he is auditioning for his next team…he would be smart to continue on the path he’s on.

[SkinsJock]

Logical thinking is not a part of Snyder's DNA - Gruden's future as HC is 'iffy' given his failure to help Griffin, his less than 'flashy' behavior and the fact he was not hired by Scot ... we all understand that it would be better for the product on the field and for the future of this franchise to keep Gruden - unfortunately none of that matters very much, if at all, to Snyder

Griffin is still here because of Snyder - there seems to be little doubt that Jay Gruden does not want Griffin - Gruden has to really finish up strong here because one of the 2 has to go and, right now, my money's on Gruden not being the HC in 2016

logic is not something that we see much of here

[riggofan]

That's the problem with Snyder - he doesn't have a clue and he can afford to do anything he wants - PLUS he craves the attention

The problem with Snyder is that he does have a clue - just the wrong one. He's figured out how to run one of the most financially successful teams in the world without having to ever win jack.

Don't ever kid yourself, the guy is a freaking genius that way.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

What gives you the impression he's been humbled? The way he ran out onto the field on Monday Night Football during pregame warmups when he wasn't even on the active gameday roster, perhaps?

No, it was when he said he was the best QB in the NFL.

Never let the facts stand in the way of a good humiliation narrative.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Don't ever kid yourself, the guy is a freaking genius that way.

Agreed. He's a brilliant businessman. Self-made billionaire. He's also the most dangerous kind of fan, one with enough money to buy the team and think being a fan qualifies him to have an opinion on anything football related. Really, the only difference between Snyder and quite a few Redskins fans is the money. They'd be just like him if they owned the team.

[DEHog]

The problem with Snyder is that he does have a clue - just the wrong one. He's figured out how to run one of the most financially successful teams in the world without having to ever win jack.
Don't ever kid yourself, the guy is a freaking genius that way.

You really think he’s the reason for the franchise’s profitability? I think the franchise is profitable in spite of him. Imagine if Snyder ran the franchise the same way in Detroit, Jacksonville or Tampa. I just think he was fortunate to buy into a great franchise that is part of a great brand...the NFL. Very hard to lose money in the NFL. I don’t know if you’ve been out to FedEx lately but fans are slowly starting to speak, the upper bowl is a ghost town and without the covered up seats we'd have blackouts of the games in D.C. He also benefits from the name argument, I have friends who aren’t fans of team buying Redskins memorabilia because they want it before the name changes. IMO the Redskins franchise (and there are others) is living proof that no matter how inept you are in managing it…you’ll still make money

[StorminMormon86]

You may be right, but I think RGIII has been humbled to a degree. He is a good person and I think has all the leadership type intangibles to be a successful QB. There is no question his head swelled to the size of Jupiter after 2012, but I think he has come back down to earth ---- or at least I would think that'd be the case.

Agreed. I give him a lot of credit for how he's handled the situation this year.

Its not just about Griffin though. Has anyone been following what's gone on with Kaepernick this year? I think teams are questioning that style of QB play. Nothing new to us here in DC.

What's amazing to me is the complete bewilderment certain talking heads have about the regression of Kaepernick. The same things that were said of Griffin (one read, if not open, then take off) were said repeatedly about Kaepernick.

[SkinsJock]

That's the problem with Snyder - he doesn't have a clue and he can afford to do anything he wants - PLUS he craves the attention

The problem with Snyder is that he does have a clue - just the wrong one. He's figured out how to run one of the most financially successful teams in the world without having to ever win jack. Don't ever kid yourself, the guy is a freaking genius that way.

sorry - I thought fans would understand - Snyder bought a $600M franchise that now has an estimated value of $2.85B - nobody that does not have a clue can be a part of that, even in the NFL - I obviously mean't that he does not have a clue about managing an NFL franchise

[hitmandm]

Release RG3. No one will trade for him with his injury clause. Release him, let him go to a team that wants him and watch him destroy us and be so much better than Kirk in every way. It is not like the Redskins have a history of releasing players because of an idiot coach and then they go on and become fantastic players somewhere else. If Kirk is so good, why don't they just release RG3? Its because Gruden is fired at the end of the year. But maybe Im wrong- so just release him.

It's funny- Griffin was just the second QB in 20 years to take us to the playoffs, he had a legendary season and he performed so much better than Kirk ever will and we let a first time coach give up on him in the third preseason game and give him basically 7 starts- then preach we need to give Kirk 2 years when he wouldn't give Griffin anything. And people fall for that? It is the Gus/Zorn mentality that seems to be in Redskins fans.

So after Kirk gets destroyed by the Patriots (he could barely beat the worst team in the league at home), release RG3. Let's stick with this idiot coach and great backup QB and in two years when they are epic fails, Ill remember. And the same people that swooned over Gus, Zorn, Shanny and all the other turds will never mention their undying support of this fake coach and inconsistent backup that will cause the Redskins to do nothing for another 5 years and waste the careers of so many good football players on this team.

[StorminMormon86]

^

This fanbase is ridiculous sometimes.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Release RG3. No one will trade for him with his injury clause. Release him, let him go to a team that wants him and watch him destroy us and be so much better than Kirk in every way.

[StorminMormon86]

Apparently, Kirk will be the only player making the flight to New England, and will take on the entire team by himself.

[DEHog]

It is not like the Redskins have a history of releasing players because of an idiot coach and then they go on and become fantastic players somewhere else.

I always hear this and I always challenge it with… name me one player we cut that went on to become a “better” player and came back to “haunt” us? I always get the same answer...Champ Bailey, we knew he was good and wanted to keep him. In fact I can probably name 5 players we cut that did nothing or didn’t even make another team for every player who made a pro bowl after a stint here. If your thought process on keeping or cutting a player is in anyway based on “we can’t cut him because he might go somewhere and be better” then what does that say about your franchise ??