Skins @ Jets Post Game Catharsis....!!!

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I don't see Jax, Hall, Trent, Jones, or even Reed making THAT big of a difference today. Hell, wasn't our only offensive td to the back up tight end?

Do you really believe that. Those are 5 of our 10 best players. They are a BIG deal. Lets get real here. Also, Garcon scored the TD. The replacements haven't been spectacular in any respect.

hah. Seriously! Especially Reed. That's been a huge loss for Cousins.

It was Garçon who scored.. I think the new TE #89 was last week? My fault.

Any qb who has to rely on the health of Reed and Djax is totally screwed tho.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I really don't see any of those guys making the qb look any better then he did... A ball in the dirt is a ball in the dirt.. a perfect pass to the wrong team is still that.

Had Reed or Jax been running free down field, no I don't think Kirk magically hits them in stride, sorry.

You don’t think having Reed, Jackson, Listenstiger, Lauvao and Williams couldn’t help the running game…which is what our young QB’s desperately need to succeed??

Reed is unreliable, and no qb benefits from him very long.. Even Djax is injury prone. Of course they'd help, but they don't make inaccurate passes accurate all of a sudden.
Listenstiger has been a liability this year and our young olinemen looked pretty serviceable actually

I've already said Williams was a BIG loss.. look at preseason when Willie Smith tried to fill thoses shoes! Luckily, we had a good oline coach put a decent line together, with help from the TE on that side... So it wasn't why we lost imho, no.

[riggofan]

I really don't see any of those guys making the qb look any better then he did... A ball in the dirt is a ball in the dirt.. a perfect pass to the wrong team is still that.

Had Reed or Jax been running free down field, no I don't think Kirk magically hits them in stride, sorry.

You don’t think having Reed, Jackson, Listenstiger, Lauvao and Williams couldn’t help the running game…which is what our young QB’s desperately need to succeed??

You're using too much common sense for this message board today, brother.

[SkinsJock]

what would help the offense more than having all those players is for the QB to not make bad decisions and make better throws

not saying or implying that we have one of those QBs mind you ... just saying ...

[riggofan]

what would help the offense more than having all those players is for the QB to not make bad decisions and make better throws

[DEHog]

[SkinsJock]

speaking of childish behavior ...

[markshark84]

I really don't see any of those guys making the qb look any better then he did... A ball in the dirt is a ball in the dirt.. a perfect pass to the wrong team is still that.

As a precursor, I think Kirk was HIGHLY inaccurate and played horribly.

Ok, that said, sometimes a ball in the dirt is NOT a ball in the dirt. Poor route running and communication can make an accurately thrown ball appear like one in the dirt ---- although I don't think that was the case on sunday. Kirk just flat out stunk.

Yet, to say those guys wouldn't contribute is just ridiculous. We have 2 OLs out (one at the most important position), an underperforming/benched OL, our best WR out, our best TE out. Of the 11 starters, 6 are left playing. On top of that we lack depth. You think that shouldn't cause any issues? Have you glanced at the roster?????

My previous post Bout the D got misconstrued.. the D was doing well enough, Breeland in particular..

Well, if you don't want things misconstrued type what you mean. The O had 27 mins of TOP. Not good in any respect but not a "blink of an eye" by any means.

Our DEF was getting rolled on from the beginning. The only reason they didn't score was mistakes made by WRs after they caught passes. We weren't stopping them in any respect. The TOs were nice, but it was CLEAR that in order for us to win, we'd need another 3 next half --- which we didn't get.

The NYJs avergaed 5.4 per rush and 9.7 per pass. Those are ridiculous numbers --- I don't care if your on the field for 45 mins, those averages shouldn't be accomplished under ANY conditions. Even saying we didn't play in the "top 10" is laughable. The mention of it is ridiculous. We stopped one meaningful drive the entire game. Literally one out of 11 drives by NYJ.

Listenstiger has been a liability this year and our young olinemen looked pretty serviceable actually

Agree for the most part, but in the run game they have not been servicable. They are not "nasty". But that is only when it deals with Moses and Scherff. The "replacements" have not been very good in any respect. Right now we have 2 fairly LARGE liabilities and when Trent is out, it is 3. Most QBs will have an issue with 3 OLs out in addition to their best WR, TE, and playmaking RB. Lets keep it honest here. It makes it tough.

[riggofan]

Yet, to say those guys wouldn't contribute is just ridiculous.

Of course it is. Reed was Cousins' security blanket and go to guy for the first four games of the season and helped him out greatly. And we all know we need a running game to give Cousins or any other QB on this roster a chance to be successful.

But don't let that stop all of the "fans" on here from enjoying their moment. Its really awesome to watch the team lose and the quarterback fail.

[markshark84]

Really? I don't know if you're right, but my gut feeling is that we have enough experienced, good coaches on that staff to know where to run Morris. Kinda doubt that the internet message boards really know anything that they don't. I think the problem with the run game is that defenses are willing to stack the box, shut it down and force Cousins to beat them in the air. Seems to be a winning strategy right now too.

My point Mark was just that I was really expecting this year to look like the incompetent debacle of last year and I don't think it really has. Its a better team than last year, but still a work in progress.

I don't consider our OC to be good in any respect. I think that clearly shows. Gruden has his hands full doing both and needs a REAL OC. Perhaps that is why he came on from DAL -- which was a pretty cush job IMHO.

I agree that the game plan is working to put everything on Cousins, but if they ran the ball correctly I think it woudl help Kirk.

Definetely a better team than last year for sure.

[StorminMormon86]

Why are people quick to want to insert McCoy all of a sudden? You do realize that he gets sacked at a rate higher than Griffin, and is also known to throw bone headed picks?

Actually I know the reason. They want Cousins to fail, and if McCoy starts, it's only a matter of time before they turn on him and want Griffin to get yet another chance to perform horribly.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Yet, to say those guys wouldn't contribute is just ridiculous.

Of course it is. Reed was Cousins' security blanket and go to guy for the first four games of the season and helped him out greatly. And we all know we need a running game to give Cousins or any other QB on this roster a chance to be successful.

But don't let that stop all of the "fans" on here from enjoying their moment. Its really awesome to watch the team lose and the quarterback fail.

Quite the contrary, it seems, the only fan enjoying themselves on here is you. I'm disgusted today. And yesterday, telling the visitors at my country club who my team was. It's gross to play so poor.

I NEVER said having those contributors would make NO difference.. merely that the play we saw under center wouldn't have been drastically better.

I don't enjoy seeing Kirk fail, but like Griffin , I refuse to blame the players around him for HIS poor play. When a guy under performs he does just that. Having Megatron on the team wouldn't have helped much, gtfoh

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Why are people quick to want to insert McCoy all of a sudden? You do realize that he gets sacked at a rate higher than Griffin, and is also known to throw bone headed picks?

Actually I know the reason. They want Cousins to fail, and if McCoy starts, it's only a matter of time before they turn on him and want Griffin to get yet another chance to perform horribly.

I want the best qb on the roster to play each week... And I'll root for whom ever that is.

I don't want man crushes or bias to choose our qb, I want the best. And as the starter I expect a certain level of play. That level of play was not met yesterday.

I don't know who the best qb is on this roster... I think Kirk us making it tough to assume it's him. This was a chance for redemption that he clearly struck out on.

Sucky

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Why are people quick to want to insert McCoy all of a sudden? You do realize that he gets sacked at a rate higher than Griffin, and is also known to throw bone headed picks?

Actually I know the reason. They want Cousins to fail, and if McCoy starts, it's only a matter of time before they turn on him and want Griffin to get yet another chance to perform horribly.

Because if a team has three quarterbacks it has zero quarterbacks. What good team is discussing which of their quarterbacks should start the next game? Maybe Denver but as a rule it's not even a question with good teams.

[SkinsJock]

OMG - some of these posts are just too much - you guys are really stretching it and while there are a few that have already established their lack of credibility, some of you know better - just because we still have hopes for Griffin does not mean that we automatically want anyone else in there to fail so that Griffin can get back in - are you effing kidding me - get over yourselves

I'm one that wanted Cousins to do well but I'm tired of seeing the same BS - what's wrong with benching him as a serious lesson - why was that supposedly good for Griffin but now it's not good for Cousins?

Gruden needs to get into Cousins head that he will not tolerate this - Cousins stops throwing interception and improves his mechanics or he sits

[StorminMormon86]

Why are people quick to want to insert McCoy all of a sudden? You do realize that he gets sacked at a rate higher than Griffin, and is also known to throw bone headed picks?

Actually I know the reason. They want Cousins to fail, and if McCoy starts, it's only a matter of time before they turn on him and want Griffin to get yet another chance to perform horribly.

I want the best qb on the roster to play each week... And I'll root for whom ever that is.

I don't want man crushes or bias to choose our qb, I want the best. And as the starter I expect a certain level of play. That level of play was not met yesterday.

I don't know who the best qb is on this roster... I think Kirk us making it tough to assume it's him. This was a chance for redemption that he clearly struck out on.

Sucky

I'm with you. But you do realize we pretty much had a 3rd quarter preseason offense on the field yesterday? No QB would've made a difference yesterday on our roster.

It was the second week of the season where Kirk played poorly and we weren't in a position to win the game by the 4th quarter. The calls for his benching are unwarranted at this point in the season.

[SkinsJock]

AND - that stuff has nothing to do with who is playing on the O line or not

[StorminMormon86]

I noticed an interesting line in Gruden's presser today, he said that while he still believes in him, the team still believes in Kirk as well. Which you know, is fairly important if you don't want to lose a locker room.

[SkinsJock]

OTOH - what if the deal from Scot is ... OK Jay, this is your chance - we're rebuilding this franchise, I'll give you the freedom to do what you need to do, you make it work and we'll review at the end of the season - If Gruden is convinced that Cousins gives the offense the best chance then, that is what he should do - I really don't think it matters too much who the QB is this season and if Cousins just confirms that he's who he is, so be it - he and Gruden will not be here next season

then again - we could see these 2 begin a relationship that leads this franchise back to glory

I'll go with the positive

[SkinsJock]

I noticed an interesting line in Gruden's presser today, he said that while he still believes in him, the team still believes in Kirk as well. Which you know, is fairly important if you don't want to lose a locker room.

was this the same time that he indicated that "it was a little windy out there ... "

[StorminMormon86]

I noticed an interesting line in Gruden's presser today, he said that while he still believes in him, the team still believes in Kirk as well. Which you know, is fairly important if you don't want to lose a locker room.

was this the same time that he indicated that "it was a little windy out there ... "

I get it. After Gruden destroyed Griffin in his presser last year, people seem to think he has some sort of man crush on Cousins and continually makes excuse after excuse for him. The only problem is that they conveniently forget that Gruden was nothing but positive all off season and all preseason on Griffin.

[tribeofjudah]

Yet, to say those guys wouldn't contribute is just ridiculous.

Of course it is. Reed was Cousins' security blanket and go to guy for the first four games of the season and helped him out greatly. And we all know we need a running game to give Cousins or any other QB on this roster a chance to be successful.

But don't let that stop all of the "fans" on here from enjoying their moment. Its really awesome to watch the team lose and the quarterback fail.

Quite the contrary, it seems, the only fan enjoying themselves on here is you. I'm disgusted today. And yesterday, telling the visitors at my country club who my team was. It's gross to play so poor.

I NEVER said having those contributors would make NO difference.. merely that the play we saw under center wouldn't have been drastically better.

I don't enjoy seeing Kirk fail, but like Griffin , I refuse to blame the players around him for HIS poor play. When a guy under performs he does just that. Having Megatron on the team wouldn't have helped much, gtfoh

Country Club............. ex squeeze me! We see how you roll dawg.

Are you tight wid Shorty Danny?

[SkinsJock]

let me ask a question - did Gruden make a point of saying that he felt it was "a little windy" on the field or not when describing his QB's play

simple question no need to explain anything, just a yes or no will be fine

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Of course it is. Reed was Cousins' security blanket and go to guy for the first four games of the season and helped him out greatly. And we all know we need a running game to give Cousins or any other QB on this roster a chance to be successful.

But don't let that stop all of the "fans" on here from enjoying their moment. Its really awesome to watch the team lose and the quarterback fail.

Quite the contrary, it seems, the only fan enjoying themselves on here is you. I'm disgusted today. And yesterday, telling the visitors at my country club who my team was. It's gross to play so poor.

I NEVER said having those contributors would make NO difference.. merely that the play we saw under center wouldn't have been drastically better.

I don't enjoy seeing Kirk fail, but like Griffin , I refuse to blame the players around him for HIS poor play. When a guy under performs he does just that. Having Megatron on the team wouldn't have helped much, gtfoh

Country Club............. ex squeeze me! We see how you roll dawg.

Are you tight wid Shorty Danny?

Sorry, it's not MY Club, I'm the first assistant under the guidance of the executive of golf. Nothing fancy, just living the dream Boss!!

[riggofan]

I really don't see any of those guys making the qb look any better then he did... A ball in the dirt is a ball in the dirt.. a perfect pass to the wrong team is still that.

Had Reed or Jax been running free down field, no I don't think Kirk magically hits them in stride, sorry.

Did anybody watch the Eagles v. Giants last night? Where Bradford threw THREE INTs and only one TD? But his team somehow won 27-7?

Its almost like the other 21 starters made some difference in the game. Weird how that works.