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I don't want Griffin playing QB until the coaches think he gives the offense the best chance at success - personally, I don't think it's a good idea to put him back in there at this time - let's give Cousins enough rope

Gruden needs to nip this in the bud and he needs to do a better job - this situation is partly his fault - what the hell are we doing throwing the ball all over the place - run the damn ball with these 2 RBs and go with the passing game that suits Cousins - isn't that the main reason Cousins is playing QB, because he's the best at running the Gruden offense - let's get it cranked up

RG3 needs to practice and work on his issues - until then he's inactive and that's that

it does not matter if we are behind - run the damn ball down the other team's throat and go with the timing passes about 30 times a game MAX

SkinsJock wrote:it does not matter if we are behind - run the damn ball down the other team's throat and go with the timing passes about 30 times a game MAX

Why? Why game manage when you know the team isn't going anywhere anyway and you need to know what you have in Kirk Cousins. Can he improve? Will he improve? I'd have him throwing the football until his arm falls off because you can't evaluate him beyond this season without paying for it. You need to know if he's worth keeping. The other two are not.

give Kirk a few more games to prove that he's the QB that some here feel he is

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:it does not matter if we are behind - run the damn ball down the other team's throat and go with the timing passes about 30 times a game MAX

Why? Why game manage when you know the team isn't going anywhere anyway and you need to know what you have in Kirk Cousins. Can he improve? Will he improve? I'd have him throwing the football until his arm falls off because you can't evaluate him beyond this season without paying for it. You need to know if he's worth keeping. The other two are not.

Agreed. Best case, you have a QB in Cousins you can move forward with. Worst case (or because I'm a cynic, realistic case) you need a new QB next year. Start up the carousel!

StorminMormon86 wrote:I really don't get the anti-Cousins "wanting him to fail" posters here. Now if there was a contingent of posters proclaiming him the future, despite his up and down games, I could see some sort of anti-Cousins rebuttals.

So true, man. There is literally nobody posting here who has said anything other than: let's give Cousins 16 games to see if he can be developed or not. There's probably like a 20% chance Cousins could be a long term QB for the team IMO. If the best he's going to get is "a couple games" to show what he can do, its about a 0% chance.

I'm just tuning out the sniping for now. People can enjoy their "I told you so's" all season long if it makes them feel better.

StorminMormon86 wrote:But we'll never know if we pull another QB carousel again this year. But none of this matters because he's Cousins. If he keeps throwing interceptions, the team will magically be better once Snyder forces a change at QB.

Its a complete waste of a season if they start the QB carousel up. Seriously, we got nothing out of that fiasco last year.

there's no reason to change QBs at this time .... I doubt that either McCoy or Griffin will be better than Cousins ....

unless the guys that know more than we do think that McCoy or Griffin gives the offense a better chance at success, for the same reason that some here have wanted Cousins to be the starting QB i.e. "the coaches have a much better feel for who can run this offense better and that QB is Cousins ..."

I understand and want to give Cousins enough time to show what he can do ...

right or wrong, coaches are not into that philosophy - they go with whomever they think gives them the best chance to win this next game

SkinsJock wrote:right or wrong, coaches are not into that philosophy - they go with whomever they think gives them the best chance to win this next game

You don't do that in a rebuilding/developing stage.

Even if Griffin is the #2 QB this week and Cousins has some issues, I certainly hope that Gruden is not 'pressured' to go to Griffin and actually I'm not sure it would be a good idea for either Cousins' psyche/confidence or for Griffin's ability to suddenly show he can run an offense again

I want Griffin to be brought along slowly - I still think he can be a good QB but I have no faith in him right now

SkinsJock wrote:Even if Griffin is the #2 QB this week and Cousins has some issues, I certainly hope that Gruden is not 'pressured' to go to Griffin and actually I'm not sure it would be a good idea for either Cousins' psyche/confidence or for Griffin's ability to suddenly show he can run an offense again

I want Griffin to be brought along slowly - I still think he can be a good QB but I have no faith in him right now

Whoever started that idiotic rumor should burn in hell. The Redskins aren't going to take any chances that RGIII sees the field of play. None. Zero. Not happening. If Colt is physically unable to perform, they'll go get another quarterback and name him the #2. RGIII is done in D.C. That's the proof Scot McCloughan is calling the shots, not Dan Snyder.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:right or wrong, coaches are not into that philosophy - they go with whomever they think gives them the best chance to win this next game

You don't do that in a rebuilding/developing stage.

maybe you don't but Gruden does - we saw him do that last season

Gruden and the offensive coaches here need to stick with Cousins for at least 4 or 5 more games ...



let's face it, this franchise is not going to suddenly be a lot better, we need to find out about a lot of these players and these coaches

let's not continue to start all over again unless the guys that are here prove to be inept - too often here, we pull the trigger too quickly

SkinsJock wrote:maybe you don't but Gruden does - we saw him do that last season

Last season the GM was the village idiot. That issue has been addressed.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Even if Griffin is the #2 QB this week and Cousins has some issues, I certainly hope that Gruden is not 'pressured' to go to Griffin and actually I'm not sure it would be a good idea for either Cousins' psyche/confidence or for Griffin's ability to suddenly show he can run an offense again

Whoever started that idiotic rumor should burn in hell. The Redskins aren't going to take any chances that RGIII sees the field of play. None. Zero. Not happening. If Colt is physically unable to perform, they'll go get another quarterback and name him the #2. RGIII is done in D.C. That's the proof Scot McCloughan is calling the shots, not Dan Snyder.

you are aware that McCoy has an injured foot and may not be able to practice tomorrow, right?

and this aught to please you a lot .. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jas ... n-redskins

I kind of liked this part ... Washington is not going to offer him around and has no interest in dealing him. The idea posited by some in early September that they would just release him is totally unfounded and will not be happening

then again - with this franchise - La Canfora is not exactly a very reliable 'source'

SkinsJock wrote:then again - with this franchise - La Canfora is not exactly a very reliable 'source'

Yes, and Mike Jones wrote some clickbait on the subject as well. These people need to name their sources here. McCoy's injury is apparently a cut he got in the training room and is not a big deal.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:then again - with this franchise - La Canfora is not exactly a very reliable 'source'

Yes, and Mike Jones wrote some clickbait on the subject as well. These people need to name their sources here. McCoy's injury is apparently a cut he got in the training room and is not a big deal.

I find it hard to accuse these guys of "clickbait" given then circumstances. How hard would it have been for the team to come out and say, Colt has a cut on his foot and has to sit out today. Nothing to see here, move along. They totally allow this stuff to fester to reasons I can't begin to understand.

In 2016 the Skins will choose between paying Griffin 16M or cutting him. I hope there isn't middle option where he stays for far less because I so want him gone. I am so tired of hearing about this grossly under talented bust and his idiotic fan boys pining for him. Epic bust.

Oh boy - this season is getting interesting a lot sooner than I thought

I honestly could care less - I really just want a decent QB here ... that being said, there are certain fans here that I really want to see be proven wrong because they don't really want what's best for the franchise - they just cannot stand to have players here that they don't like

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:let's not continue to start all over again unless the guys that are here prove to be inept - too often here, we pull the trigger too quickly

Then why do you advocate giving Cousins only 4 or 5 more games?

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote: .. let's not continue to start all over again unless the guys that are here prove to be inept - too often here, we pull the trigger too quickly

Then why do you advocate giving Cousins only 4 or 5 more games?

I'm advocating that he be given at least 4-5 more games - I am not in favor of trying another QB until Cousins clearly shows he cannot do the job - let's give him at least 7 games to show us that he's a good QB - However, he might really screw up here the next few weeks and not even get past the 6th game

are you suggesting that Cousins might still be the QB here if he really plays badly the next 4 games?

go ahead, say it

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote: .. let's not continue to start all over again unless the guys that are here prove to be inept - too often here, we pull the trigger too quickly

Then why do you advocate giving Cousins only 4 or 5 more games?

I'm advocating that he be given at least 4-5 more games - I am not in favor of trying another QB until Cousins clearly shows he cannot do the job - let's give him at least 7 games to show us that he's a good QB - However, he might really screw up here the next few weeks and not even get past the 6th game

are you suggesting that Cousins might still be the QB here if he really plays badly the next 4 games?

go ahead, say it

Define badly.

If we are losing games by special teams botches, fumbles, drops, penalties, etc. then I don't see how you bench Cousins no matter what the record is. And despite how bad he played on Thursday, I still think he had shown improvement because he didn't totally meltdown like last year.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Define badly.

If we are losing games by special teams botches, fumbles, drops, penalties, etc. then I don't see how you bench Cousins no matter what the record is. And despite how bad he played on Thursday, I still think he had shown improvement because he didn't totally meltdown like last year.

I'm with you, man. But right or wrong the fanbase defines losing the game as playing badly.

Cousins wasn't very good on Thursday, not much question about it. What's important is what happens next. Put up or shut up time.

StorminMormon86 wrote:If we are losing games by special teams botches, fumbles, drops, penalties, etc.

Picking on Andre Roberts?