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SkinsJock wrote:It's kind of interesting that if you want Griffin to play QB you're part of whatever a "butt hurt" camp reference means


I think there is a pretty clear line, SJ. Cousins has been ok, but he hasn't proven anything to set himself head and shoulders above Griffin. So I can respect fans who still prefer Griffin (or McCoy for that matter) over Cousins. I've said this before man, there is no right/wrong answer at this point.

I draw the line with these jokers coming up with crazy stuff like "oh the coach isn't calling the same plays for Griffin". Seriously what do these people think? Like the coach is actively trying to sabotage Griffin? Gruden's job is on the line from day one. Can he really have afforded to go out and lose games while actively trying to make his QB look bad in games?

Its just a stupid thing for people to say and it smacks of sore loser-ism.

I stuck with Griffin all the way through the end of last season. I've always wanted him to succeed. Personally I just can't bear to watch any more games with him scrambling around, getting completely hammered when he tries to stand in the pocket and looking like a mess. Its a complete embarrassment. Say what you want about the offensive performance last week, they didn't embarrass themselves.

The best thing for this team would have been to have the open QB competition back in the spring. Instead, they've given us this mess where people say its Snyder controlling things if Griffin starts and others saying Gruden is sabotaging Griffin if Cousins starts.
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fair enough - I do not agree with the thinking that Gruden or any coach has an agenda here either ..

this franchise is going through a really tough deal here and it looks like Snyder is still interfering ... if he does not give these guys a fair shot at making things better it's just going to continue to be a huge mess
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SkinsJock wrote:It's kind of interesting that if you want Griffin to play QB you're part of whatever a "butt hurt" camp reference means

some of us just want what's best for this franchise in the long term & see some things happening that we don't see the same way as others do

I don't think that Jay Gruden and Kirk Cousins are going to be here next season but I certainly don't think that it's in the best interests of this franchise to get rid of them this early in the season

I also do not think Griffin should be here if Jay Gruden is not planning on having him play QB here, BUT, I don't think that Scot should let Griffin go if he thinks that Griffin can still help this franchise

I just hope that Scot is in charge here and not Dan Snyder - it does not look like that is the case ...

but ... I'm a part of the "butt hurt" camp and we certainly don't know as much as the "Kirk Kissers" camp do :lol:

or, is that the "Kissing Cousins" camp ... whatever :twisted:


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riggofan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:It's kind of interesting that if you want Griffin to play QB you're part of whatever a "butt hurt" camp reference means



I draw the line with these jokers coming up with crazy stuff like "oh the coach isn't calling the same plays for Griffin". Seriously what do these people think? Like the coach is actively trying to sabotage Griffin? Gruden's job is on the line from day one. Can he really have afforded to go out and lose games while actively trying to make his QB look bad in games?

Its just a stupid thing for people to say and it smacks of sore loser-ism.


I get your point... But in a world of conspiracy theories, and scandals, it isn't "stupid" to question alterier motives.

I present exhibit a. Preseason play calling for Rob WAS his area of weakness, AND the plays (in general) were ones that took time to develop. Not the quick routes, ummm rolling out your athletic qb maybe? Screens? And then its Play action galore when he was out- why? To give him work on his weaknesses, or flaunt them?

Exhibit b. Willie mofo Smith.
Who?
Willie Smith.

Where is he now?

Who?

Look I wouldn't bet my life on anything, but it's clear as day that Gruden, and Mr Jon Gruden qb camp guy, Kirk Grossman, are a better fit. The style of offense, to the type of personality. They just seem like a cozier couple.. so who knows? I don't. Won't pretend I do. But I know one thing for certain- neither does anyone else here
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DaSkinz Baby wrote:All the quick passes that Gruden and McVay called Sunday, which WAS NEVER CALLED when RGIII was in means nothing as well right? Competence is calling plays to the strength of the players, I see Gruden and McVay do that for Cousins but didn't for RGIII. Sorry that is what I see...


Well at least we all know that you're part of the Robert Griffin butt hurt camp. Yes, if only Gruden/Shanahan would just call the right plays he would be good again.



Tell that to Marcus Marriota and Wisenhunt who run a read option and threw for four TDs in their very first NFL game together.

You want mediocrity go for it. I want wins now! Robert actually brought us a division title. Something Gruden has yet to do. Heck Gruden hasnt even had a .500 season!
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riggofan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:It's kind of interesting that if you want Griffin to play QB you're part of whatever a "butt hurt" camp reference means


I think there is a pretty clear line, SJ. Cousins has been ok, but he hasn't proven anything to set himself head and shoulders above Griffin. So I can respect fans who still prefer Griffin (or McCoy for that matter) over Cousins. I've said this before man, there is no right/wrong answer at this point.

I draw the line with these jokers coming up with crazy stuff like "oh the coach isn't calling the same plays for Griffin". Seriously what do these people think? Like the coach is actively trying to sabotage Griffin? Gruden's job is on the line from day one. Can he really have afforded to go out and lose games while actively trying to make his QB look bad in games?

Its just a stupid thing for people to say and it smacks of sore loser-ism.

I stuck with Griffin all the way through the end of last season. I've always wanted him to succeed. Personally I just can't bear to watch any more games with him scrambling around, getting completely hammered when he tries to stand in the pocket and looking like a mess. Its a complete embarrassment. Say what you want about the offensive performance last week, they didn't embarrass themselves.

The best thing for this team would have been to have the open QB competition back in the spring. Instead, they've given us this mess where people say its Snyder controlling things if Griffin starts and others saying Gruden is sabotaging Griffin if Cousins starts.



Gruden clearly is not a good coach.

Shanahan was a great coach. Shanahan actually modified the offense to fit Griffins skills.

The one mistake Shanahan made was letting RG3 play while injured.

Robert should have never played. That falls on Shanahan and Robert. But Robert was and still is a young kid. That responsibility falls on ownership and the head coach.
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This team can win now!!!!Why not???


We have a top tier running game. We can also stop the run. Heck our defense only gave up 10 points.


We can win now. I like Kirk but I think building with Kirk is going to take longer and we need more weapons for Kirk to throw too. Whereas with Robert if we implemented and demanded that he play a similar offense to Phillys or Tennesses/Baylor he would thrive immidiatley.
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HEROHAMO wrote:This team can win now!!!!Why not???


We have a top tier running game. We can also stop the run. Heck our defense only gave up 10 points.


We can win now. I like Kirk but I think building with Kirk is going to take longer and we need more weapons for Kirk to throw too. Whereas with Robert if we implemented and demanded that he play a similar offense to Phillys or Tennesses/Baylor he would thrive immidiatley.


This is exactly my mindset, it amazes me the pure ignorance so many show on here while swearing they know so much about football when they are like lambs being led to the slaughter. Even Jamie Dukes said that Cousins is nothing but a BACKUP QB! but I guess RiggoFan knows more about football than he does! =P~ The fact is Gruden doesn't have the accolades to arbitrarily destroy RGIII when he has at the very least done what Gruden hasn't. The fact is there is far more proof that Gruden isn't Head Coaching Material and all that Gruden has shown since being here is that he is a liar, is unable to out coach any team we play and look like a deer in headlights. Players don't dictate what they play, and RGIII falls into that category. The fact is Gruden should have tailored an offense to have RGIII succeed and if he got hurt then so be it, at least he did what he should have. Shanahan was and is a far better coach than Gruden and if he couldn't succeed with RGIII not running the spread offence no way Gruden would succeed. I find it pretty funny that Gruden ran the run option with Andy Dalton to an extent in Cincinnati but never tried to do it here with RGIII! But hey let's put a pathetic LT out against the Lions and call plays that take time to develop and have a QB that isn't a drop back passer expect to succeed. If that Preseason game against the Lions wasn't a football type assassination then Kennedy wasn't shot in Dallas!
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HEROHAMO wrote:We can win now. I like Kirk but I think building with Kirk is going to take longer and we need more weapons for Kirk to throw too. Whereas with Robert if we implemented and demanded that he play a similar offense to Phillys or Tennesses/Baylor he would thrive immidiatley.


Or he'll get injured in two or three games.
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HEROHAMO wrote:Gruden clearly is not a good coach.


Clearly. We ran for 160 yards against what we're told is one of the top d-lines in the league last week. What an imbecile.
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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I get your point... But in a world of conspiracy theories, and scandals, it isn't "stupid" to question alterier motives.


Its reasonable to suggest Gruden is intentionally calling bad plays for RGIII, because we live in a world where some people believe the moon landing was a hoax and Bill Cosby has been drugging ladies? :hmm:

Of course it is.
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FIVE PAGES of content relating to one of the MOST doubtful and unsubstantiated rumours circulating among some fans in a board ...

The question is NOT whether the rumour has any value or support with any other information available in the public domain or available through our own sources. It does NOT.

What is AMAZING is the fact that even a small failed wet match after a "competitive effort" in GAME 1 of a loooooong losing season is already likely to spark such fiery interest and debate among fans.

The woods are very dry, and they will be drier and drier every week until the Skins get down to a very likely 0-4 start. Even a small wet match is likely to prompt these types of wild discussions with increasing possibility of grabbing headlines and creating distractions to fans and the team. And if the argument is "ANYTHING is possible with Dan Snyder" to advance any wild rumour, I would have to give up: YES, IT IS.

Only in Washington can soap opera dramas become reality shows. The only one good thing about having an increasingly loud drama-filled scandal in Washington is to make Donald Trump's political campaign look like a reasonable, thoughtful, articulate and intelligent campaign. Then again, Donald might sue Dan for stealing the spot light away from that other reality show. I hope SM can survive this mess for the fans sake and their mental health.
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Redskin in Canada wrote:FIVE PAGES of content relating to one of the MOST doubtful and unsubstantiated rumours circulating among some fans in a board ...


hah. I think you got maybe five POSTS related to that rumor in this thread. Sort of got off the rails .
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riggofan wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:FIVE PAGES of content relating to one of the MOST doubtful and unsubstantiated rumours circulating among some fans in a board ...


hah. I think you got maybe five POSTS related to that rumor in this thread. Sort of got off the rails .

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riggofan wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:FIVE PAGES of content relating to one of the MOST doubtful and unsubstantiated rumours circulating among some fans in a board ...


hah. I think you got maybe five POSTS related to that rumor in this thread. Sort of got off the rails .

Oh! You mean, the original rumour got derailed by other rumours and conspiracy theories?

Yes, that was my point. :idea:

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Redskin in Canada wrote:
riggofan wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:FIVE PAGES of content relating to one of the MOST doubtful and unsubstantiated rumours circulating among some fans in a board ...


hah. I think you got maybe five POSTS related to that rumor in this thread. Sort of got off the rails .

Oh! You mean, the original rumour got derailed by other rumours and conspiracy theories?

Yes, that was my point. :idea:

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Yes it definitely did.

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We need a win but the reality is we could easily go 0-4 - the key is to not over-react ...

we are not going to do well this season - only the most ignorant fan really thought we were better than 8-8 & that ONLY, IF WE GOT LUCKY

this franchise is a couple of years away - and that will happen, only if Dan Snyder does not interfere ... good luck with that!
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SkinsJock wrote:We need a win but the reality is we could easily go 0-4 - the key is to not over-react ...


hah. You're right about the 0-4 part, man. But overreacting? We lost a close game with Miami last weekend and look how people have reacted.

I'm probably less optimistic about beating the Rams than I was about beating the Dolphins. That St. Louis game last December was one of the worst of the season.
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SkinsJock wrote:We need a win but the reality is we could easily go 0-4 - the key is to not over-react ...


hah. You're right about the 0-4 part, man. But overreacting? We lost a close game with Miami last weekend and look how people have reacted.

I'm probably less optimistic about beating the Rams than I was about beating the Dolphins. That St. Louis game last December was one of the worst of the season.

Yep...Williams would love nothing more than back to back shutouts...It's personal for him...that D will come ready to play.
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DEHog wrote:Yep...Williams would love nothing more than back to back shutouts...It's personal for him...that D will come ready to play.


Its funny you mention Gregg Williams. I had kind of forgotten he was the DC now with the Rams. I still think not hiring him as head coach after Gibbs is one of the top 5 Snyder mistakes of all time.

Not only did Snyder pass him over. He hired JIM ZORN instead. Unfreakingbelievable.
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riggofan wrote:
DEHog wrote:He hired JIM ZORN instead. Unfreakingbelievable.


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DEHog wrote:Yep...Williams would love nothing more than back to back shutouts...It's personal for him...that D will come ready to play.


Its funny you mention Gregg Williams. I had kind of forgotten he was the DC now with the Rams. I still think not hiring him as head coach after Gibbs is one of the top 5 Snyder mistakes of all time.

Not only did Snyder pass him over. He hired JIM ZORN instead. Unfreakingbelievable.

That's because the Danny only cares about offense. Sean might have changed that about him, if he had lived.
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hopefully both teams come ready to give it their best shot ...

we did almost pull out a victory last week and even though this Rams team is another very good unit ... any given Sunday :D


we really are staring 0-2 in the face and the fact is we could easily go 0-4 ... this is not a very good team
BUT - even worse than going 0-4 would be then making any drastic changes here - nothing good comes from that - NOTHING

we're hoping and praying for 8-8 people - we are not suddenly a good team
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DaSkinz Baby wrote:So I just heard from a friend that works for the Skins that Snyder is courting Gibbs again to finish out the year and let him help pick the coach for next year! Before you ask he works directly for Snyder!

Thoughts????


Surely your friend meant COY Gibbs, possible coming back as Offensive Quality Control assistant?

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Well see if the OP is right. Sounds hard to believe...

But one thing I agree with him on is Gruden. The guy is overmatched. He is not HC material. Regardless how much Snyder owes him, the sooner we can this Arena League coach the better. Go back and listen to the guy's pressers last year. He is clueless.
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