riggofan wrote:Gruden went from having an open QB competition to suddenly naming Griffin the starter for no apparent reason that he was blinking out morse code with his eyelids. "T-H-I-S-I-S-B-U-L-L-S-H..."
YOOOOOOOO... THAT IS FRICKIN HILARIOIUS RIGGO !!!!!!!!!!!
OldSchool wrote:I think every serious person paying attention understands the emphasis to fix Griffin came from Snyder and the his employees did their best and couldn't fix Griffin.
I don't have any problem with that. Just seems like its been a lot more than just "emphasis" There's certainly more than enough smoke to suggest the fire, especially since we're talking about Mr. Napoleon Meddler himself. Why would anyone choose to give Snyder the benefit of the doubt at this point?
Obviously I'm not at Redskins park and don't have any hard evidence. If you choose to believe that its been completely Jay Gruden's decision to waste all of OTAs and the majority of training camp on at QB that he gave up on last preseason and would permanently bench midway through THIS preseason, I salute your rosy color glasses.
Because that scenario really makes a lot of sense.
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riggofan wrote:Gruden went from having an open QB competition to suddenly naming Griffin the starter for no apparent reason that he was blinking out morse code with his eyelids. "T-H-I-S-I-S-B-U-L-L-S-H..."
YOOOOOOOO... THAT IS FRICKIN HILARIOIUS RIGGO !!!!!!!!!!!
haha We just gotta laugh about this stuff, LPJ!
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OldSchool wrote:I think every serious person paying attention understands the emphasis to fix Griffin came from Snyder and the his employees did their best and couldn't fix Griffin.
I don't have any problem with that. Just seems like its been a lot more than just "emphasis" There's certainly more than enough smoke to suggest the fire, especially since we're talking about Mr. Napoleon Meddler himself. Why would anyone choose to give Snyder the benefit of the doubt at this point?
Obviously I'm not at Redskins park and don't have any hard evidence. If you choose to believe that its been completely Jay Gruden's decision to waste all of OTAs and the majority of training camp on at QB that he gave up on last preseason and would permanently bench midway through THIS preseason, I salute your rosy color glasses.
Because that scenario really makes a lot of sense.
You're missing my point, I'm not saying he did or didn't. As you say we're not there, but if we had to bet both of us know it's probally true and for the first time I will give Snyder the benifit of the doubt. My point is that Snyder hired Gruden to coach RG right? How do you has the coach give up on the guy (as you say) in preseason. So I'm quite sure Snyder reminded Gruden why he was hired..ie Robert is the starter. I'm more pissed that Snyder gave a 5 year deal to a first time head coach!
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DEHog wrote:How do you has the coach give up on the guy (as you say) in preseason.
Who knows for sure, man. To your question: I did hear one of those beat reporters say today that in preseason this year and last, RGIII has actually looked ok in camp. I think the comment was something like coaches said he looked ok "in shorts", but it doesn't tell you how he's going to perform in the real game.
DEHog wrote:I'm more pissed that Snyder gave a 5 year deal to a first time head coach!
hah. I don't think he had much choice. This isn't exactly a plum job at this point. Any coach coming here knows its going to take several years to have any hope of turning the team around. They have to get that 5 year deal to keep Snyder from firing them after two years.
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DEHog wrote:How do you has the coach give up on the guy (as you say) in preseason.
Who knows for sure, man. To your question: I did hear one of those beat reporters say today that in preseason this year and last, RGIII has actually looked ok in camp. I think the comment was something like coaches said he looked ok "in shorts", but it doesn't tell you how he's going to perform in the real game.
DEHog wrote:I'm more pissed that Snyder gave a 5 year deal to a first time head coach!
hah. I don't think he had much choice. This isn't exactly a plum job at this point. Any coach coming here knows its going to take several years to have any hope of turning the team around. They have to get that 5 year deal to keep Snyder from firing them after two years.
I don't care about Jay's contract since there is no cap for coaches. Dan can affordit.
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SkinsJock wrote:I'm wasting your time - get out of here with that BS - who are you to make that call here?
Quit deflecting and back up your statement. You've repeatedly written that Gruden should have "handled the QB situation better". You still haven't explained HOW he could have handled it better or WHAT he could have done differently.
How about sending Robert to Jon Gruden in the off season. Like Jay sent Kirk to Jon Gruden. THat right there clearly shows Jay was not committed at all to helping Robert. He had his mind made up already.
DEHog wrote:Wasn't that Gruden's job to figure out? Far be it for me to defend Snyder but you know Gruden was brought here to mentor/coach/correct RGIII. If Gruden felt he couldn't do that then he shouldn't have taken the job.
Fair enough, man. I don't totally agree with that, but its at least an answer to the question. The answer is: he should have handled "the QB mess" by turning Robert into an effective NFL QB in one season. (Something Mike Shanahan failed to do in three.)
DEHog wrote:While I don't believe Snyder "told" him who to play
oh man.
Did you somehow forget how awsome Robert looked in his first season?
Did you forget how he tore his ACL in his first season? Who played Robert even when he was hobbling it was Mike Shanahan. Which is the main reason he was fired. He got the franchise Qb at the time in Robert hurt! Sure Robert was partly to blame but he was a rookie and it was Mikes job to protect our QB.
hah. I don't think he had much choice. This isn't exactly a plum job at this point. Any coach coming here knows its going to take several years to have any hope of turning the team around. They have to get that 5 year deal to keep Snyder from firing them after two years.[/quote]
Its too bad Scott was not hired before the Jay hire. I am positive Scott would of chosen a better head coach. Like he did in San Fran and Seattle.
Jay has this year to prove something. If its .500 or less I want him gone. How hes handled everything so far has been terrible. He has no command over the locker room.
You can see how many players talk about the locker room business. You dont hear that noise coming from New England. Even though they have deflategate. You still dont hear any other players coming out against Brady. Same as the Aaron Hernandez situation which was far worse. You didnt hear much from the locker room.
SkinsJock wrote:I'm wasting your time - get out of here with that BS - who are you to make that call here?
Quit deflecting and back up your statement. You've repeatedly written that Gruden should have "handled the QB situation better". You still haven't explained HOW he could have handled it better or WHAT he could have done differently.
How about sending Robert to Jon Gruden in the off season. Like Jay sent Kirk to Jon Gruden. THat right there clearly shows Jay was not committed at all to helping Robert. He had his mind made up already.
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riggofan wrote:Gruden went from having an open QB competition to suddenly naming Griffin the starter for no apparent reason that he was blinking out morse code with his eyelids. "T-H-I-S-I-S-B-U-L-L-S-H..."
YOOOOOOOO... THAT IS FRICKIN HILARIOIUS RIGGO !!!!!!!!!!!
haha We just gotta laugh about this stuff, LPJ!
Yep sometimes you gotta laugh to keep from crying. This is my favorite post of the day LOL.
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riggofan wrote:The answer is: he should have handled "the QB mess" by turning Robert into an effective NFL QB in one season. (Something Mike Shanahan failed to do in three.)
How many years Did Shanny have Robert?
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StorminMormon86 wrote:To be fair to Gruden, I don't know how much he knew how far off in development Griffin was when he took the job.
What the hell does that have to do with it and why did he basically put the kid down shortly after he started
Gruden screwed up - as soon as it was obvious to Gruden that Griffin needed a lot of help to even begin to help manage the offense that Gruden wanted to be in place here, he should have brought in a coach and made it clear to all that Griffin would be coached up until he could handle the job - instead, he put the kid down, and then the mess got worse - the O line was not suited for the WCO or very good at pass blocking and Cousins did not exactly establish himself very well either ...
Gruden has to answer to Scot now and he has a lot to do to prove that he can be the HC that Scot wants in charge here
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
You're certainly welcome to hang your hat on the opinion of Pete Prisco that Cousins is doomed after 9 career starts. I'll sit back and watch and wait and see how it all plays out.
riggofan wrote:The answer is: he should have handled "the QB mess" by turning Robert into an effective NFL QB in one season. (Something Mike Shanahan failed to do in three.)
How many years Did Shanny have Robert?
duh my bad! Say what you want about Deadskins, nobody is getting **** past him. But seriously, say anything else you want about that guy.
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You're certainly welcome to hang your hat on the opinion of Pete Prisco that Cousins is doomed after 9 career starts. I'll sit back and watch and wait and see how it all plays out.
Be great if Cousins plays really well but I just don't see that he has that in him ... we shall see soon enough
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
You're certainly welcome to hang your hat on the opinion of Pete Prisco that Cousins is doomed after 9 career starts. I'll sit back and watch and wait and see how it all plays out.
Yeah, if you look up the definition of "blowhard" in the dictionary, a picture of Pete Prisco comes up.
Kirk has a great chance here. Solve the QB issues in DC once and for all. Run with it, Kirk. Please.
Stop turning the ball over, please. See this article by Grantland:
During his first three years, Cousins has thrown 407 passes and been picked off 19 times, a 4.7 percent clip that stands in line with truly bad seasons from the likes of Eli Manning (2013) and Jay Cutler (2009). A 4.7 percent interception rate would have been fine in the ’70s, but in these enlightened, pass-friendly times, it doesn’t fly. Quarterbacks threw interceptions on just 2.5 percent of their attempts last year, the lowest rate in league history.
The life-saving Pro-Football-Reference.com has an interception percentage index statistic that adjusts a quarterback’s interception rate for the era in which he plays. Over his first three seasons, Cousins’s INT%+ is a dismal 66. Nobody in the history of the National Football League whose total number of pass attempts over their first three seasons equals Cousins’s total has thrown interceptions at a higher rate (relative to their peers) than he has. He took that title away from Ryan Leaf, who is the only other player in the 60s, at 67. That somehow makes it worse.
I'm not concerned about Prisco or anyone else's opinion of Cousins as a QB ...
my only concern is that Cousins has not shown that he's a very good NFL QB - he's OK, he's not proven that he can play well under pressure
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Not a big Ryan Clark fan. He got out of town as fast as possible after his initial success and only reason he was back is we have had the worst safeties in the NFL for a few season.
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Jay Gruden is not an NFL head coach. His is actually a total joke. He acts like he is a SB winning coach that is HOF bound and he cant even get his team disciplined enough to not commit stupid penalties.
Dan Snyder cannot have confidence in this guy. Fat Gruden has mismanaged RG3 and this team to the point of being a joke. I cannot wait until he gets fired.
Smithian wrote:Not a big Ryan Clark fan. He got out of town as fast as possible after his initial success and only reason he was back is we have had the worst safeties in the NFL for a few season.
Your assessment of Clark's initial departure is flat out wrong... He was let go by the team, in favor of a complete stud, Adam Archuleta... (Where's my darned sarcasm smiley???). FAIL, FAIL, FAIL!!!!
Clark was superior to EVERY safety we've had since, save one... And that one was damned near a football God...
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