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I'm sure that Griffin will not be a distraction and will continue to try and help and support the players and the franchise as he always has

SkinsJock wrote:I'm sure that Griffin will not be a distraction and will continue to try and help and support the players and the franchise as he always has

He won't intentionally be a distraction but he will be a distraction if he is suited up on the field. Can't have that. Players wouldn't be able to make eye contact, seems to me he and D-Jax were pretty tight - lots of bad juju and feelings of guilt. It has to be a clean break, no hard feelings, no finger pointing, nothing. Just here today, gone today kind of thing. The FO found a home for Haynesworth, right? they can find a quality spot for Robert.

Good to hear that Griffin is being very supportive of Cousins and that Cousins is also glad to have Griffin here as well

doesn't sound like a distraction to me

Griffin cannot operate a WCO so there is no logical reason to keep him on the roster. He is absolutely awful at executing the basic concepts of his position. If the Skins want to keep a 3rd QB they shouldn't have trouble finding someone with some aptitude for running a WCO.

In addition to being inept in Gruden's offense I believe Robert is a passive aggressive narcissist who will continue to draw attention to himself. The only way the Skins change the culture and reduce the drama in Ashburn is to cut Griffin. Get him to pass the concussion test and tell him to clean out his locker.

OldSchool wrote:Griffin cannot operate a WCO so there is no logical reason to keep him on the roster. He is absolutely awful at executing the basic concepts of his position.

He's not as bad as you always make him out to be. He's no longer the starter, you got your wish. Give it a rest already.

SkinsJock wrote:I'm sure that Griffin will not be a distraction and will continue to try and help and support the players and the franchise as he always has

I agree with you on this. He's not T.O. I think he'll just try to keep as low a profile as possible if he is here.

He's going to be a point of interest with the media whether he is here or not. Team is just going to have to deal with it. Start winning some games and give everyone something else to talk about!!!

SkinsJock wrote:Good to hear that Griffin is being very supportive of Cousins and that Cousins is also glad to have Griffin here as well

1) We gotta play 'em one day at a time.
2) I'm just happy to be here. Hope I can help the ball club.
3) I just want to give it my best shot, and the good Lord willing, things will work out.
-- Crash Davis, listing "your friends, the cliche's"

Everything else aside, RGIII gave us the best season we've had in years and may have ruined his own career trying to win us a playoff game. Even if you never wanted him to be our QB (Shanahan) or reached a point where you no longer wanted him to be our QB (Gruden), the man gave us everything he could give us until he was no longer the same player. Now some want to simply piss on him because he's, let me remind you through no fault of his own (Shanahan is absolutely to blame for allowing him to play and leaving him in that game), unable to do what he once could. Fine. The team needs to go in a different direction. That doesn't mean he deserves to be crapped on by the media and "fans" for being asked to do what he was never going to be able to do, become a drop-back passer. Let the Kirk era begin but stop the hate on RGIII. It's uncalled for. It isn't his fault he couldn't be turned into something he wasn't and then became unable to be what he once was because the head coach refused to bench him or remove him from a game in which he had no business playing. It's the team's fault. Again. Another stupid personnel decision. Time to move on.

I want Griffin cut because he can't contribute since he cannot run Gruden's offense. It is also in Griffin's interest to be cut so he would be free to join a franchise that his skill set can be utilized and developed, but I want him gone because all he can contribute going forward is drama and I am tired of it.

I wish we could 'cut' some people here for no good reason too but I can't and that's OK

thank God the season is almost on us

riggofan wrote:I agree with you on this. He's not T.O. I think he'll just try to keep as low a profile as possible if he is here.

He's going to be a point of interest with the media whether he is here or not. Team is just going to have to deal with it. Start winning some games and give everyone something else to talk about!!!

It has nothing to do with Robert. He's still going to be a distraction. Every single game that he's standing there on the sidelines, the camera will cut to him, the commentators will make remarks about him, etc. Players will still have to answer questions about him. And God forbid if Cousins and/or McCoy struggle in a game and he's still on the team.

That's how he will be a distraction all year, and it won't even entirely be his fault.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

riggofan wrote:I agree with you on this. He's not T.O. I think he'll just try to keep as low a profile as possible if he is here.

He's going to be a point of interest with the media whether he is here or not. Team is just going to have to deal with it. Start winning some games and give everyone something else to talk about!!!

It has nothing to do with Robert. He's still going to be a distraction. Every single game that he's standing there on the sidelines, the camera will cut to him, the commentators will make remarks about him, etc. Players will still have to answer questions about him. And God forbid if Cousins and/or McCoy struggle in a game and he's still on the team.

That's how he will be a distraction all year, and it won't even entirely be his fault.

This couldn't be much more sensationalistic and hyperbolic. Who gives a rat's ass what the media talks about? The media doesn't play the games. The media talks. That's their job. Players don't have to answer anything. "No comment" works wonders. Unless the team is in playoff contention at the time it won't make a difference if Kirk or Colt struggle and RGIII plays another game under center. There's a chance none of the three quarterbacks on the roster will be around next season. It's more like a Clem Kadiddlehopper blooper reel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-jeIdQwKY

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Everything else aside, RGIII gave us the best season we've had in years and may have ruined his own career trying to win us a playoff game. Even if you never wanted him to be our QB (Shanahan) or reached a point where you no longer wanted him to be our QB (Gruden), the man gave us everything he could give us until he was no longer the same player. Now some want to simply piss on him because he's, let me remind you through no fault of his own (Shanahan is absolutely to blame for allowing him to play and leaving him in that game), unable to do what he once could. Fine. The team needs to go in a different direction. That doesn't mean he deserves to be crapped on by the media and "fans" for being asked to do what he was never going to be able to do, become a drop-back passer. Let the Kirk era begin but stop the hate on RGIII. It's uncalled for. It isn't his fault he couldn't be turned into something he wasn't and then became unable to be what he once was because the head coach refused to bench him or remove him from a game in which he had no business playing. It's the team's fault. Again. Another stupid personnel decision. Time to move on.

You had me for about half of this post.

riggofan wrote:You had me for about half of this post.

That's longer than I have most people's attention.

StorminMormon86 wrote:It has nothing to do with Robert. He's still going to be a distraction. Every single game that he's standing there on the sidelines, the camera will cut to him, the commentators will make remarks about him, etc. Players will still have to answer questions about him. And God forbid if Cousins and/or McCoy struggle in a game and he's still on the team.

That's how he will be a distraction all year, and it won't even entirely be his fault.

I agree with you. But my point is that this is going to happen whether he is on the roster or not. The media is still going to be talking about him. They're still going to play "what if?" and players and coaches will still be asked about him. Cutting him doesn't change that one bit other than they won't get shots of him standing on the sideline.

The team needs to make the decision based on other factors other than "it will be a distraction". Does it make sense to keep him on the roster and see if a trade comes up? We're already paying him, does it make sense to keep him from getting picked up by a division rival for another year? Does it make sense to keep him as the third QB? Does a year of running the scout team buy him time to improve his game?

As long as Griffin himself isn't out there being a pain in the butt, I don't care if the team cuts him or not this year.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:That's longer than I have most people's attention.

Totally agreed with your comments about being respectful.

riggofan wrote:I agree with you. But my point is that this is going to happen whether he is on the roster or not. The media is still going to be talking about him. They're still going to play "what if?" and players and coaches will still be asked about him. Cutting him doesn't change that one bit other than they won't get shots of him standing on the sideline.

I think the local media would bring him up, but it won't be nearly as much if they cut him compared to him being on the roster. Especially if Cousins and McCoy struggle or get injured.

riggofan wrote:The team needs to make the decision based on other factors other than "it will be a distraction". Does it make sense to keep him on the roster and see if a trade comes up? We're already paying him, does it make sense to keep him from getting picked up by a division rival for another year? Does it make sense to keep him as the third QB? Does a year of running the scout team buy him time to improve his game?

I totally agree. And I also think cutting him helps him sooner than later helps him land on another team to try and resurrect his career. If Gruden thinks he's a lost cause, and all signs point to yes he does, they have to cut him ASAP.

riggofan wrote:As long as Griffin himself isn't out there being a pain in the butt, I don't care if the team cuts him or not this year.

Personally, I don't care either way. But as I've said, if Gruden is finished with him, why keep him around?

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Everything else aside, RGIII gave us the best season we've had in years and may have ruined his own career trying to win us a playoff game. Even if you never wanted him to be our QB (Shanahan) or reached a point where you no longer wanted him to be our QB (Gruden), the man gave us everything he could give us until he was no longer the same player. Now some want to simply piss on him because he's, let me remind you through no fault of his own (Shanahan is absolutely to blame for allowing him to play and leaving him in that game), unable to do what he once could. Fine. The team needs to go in a different direction. That doesn't mean he deserves to be crapped on by the media and "fans" for being asked to do what he was never going to be able to do, become a drop-back passer. Let the Kirk era begin but stop the hate on RGIII. It's uncalled for. It isn't his fault he couldn't be turned into something he wasn't and then became unable to be what he once was because the head coach refused to bench him or remove him from a game in which he had no business playing. It's the team's fault. Again. Another stupid personnel decision. Time to move on.

You had me for about half of this post.

He had me for all of it. I like RG3's personality he just couldn't hack it as an NFL QB.

RGIII to be the backup QB? So much for giving Gruden credit for being a headcoach. If Bellicheck was calling the shots RGIII would be not invited to return to the lockerroom, his belongings handed to him by security and the VP in charge of Media to personally escort him around for the final time. He'd be gone, end of controversy. Period. All done with the highest possible respect and professionalism.
You would think the Skins FO would have learned something from the Haynesworth mess - no real comparison, I admit, but it demonstrates that those making the decisions have yet to mature enough to realize a serious problem. You can't have controversy in the locker room. Look at the amount of effort the Patroits went thru with DeflateGate. They let nothing stand in thier way to end the controversy.
Compare the Patriots efforts to what Snyder and Allen have done.

I don't know why this is tough to understand the Skins are keeping Griffin on the roster until he passes the concussion protocol and if he passes the test they will trade or release him.

OldSchool wrote:I don't know why this is tough to understand the Skins are keeping Griffin on the roster until he passes the concussion protocol and if he passes the test they will trade or release him.

+1

There's no doubt that Griffin would be gone already if the HC had established himself better ... I really think that Scot has brokered a deal of sorts here and Gruden has a season to show that he can handle himself but unless a good offer comes along Griffin is here for now


Scot has done well so far, especially considering what he inherited here and the franchise is in good hands despite the fact that Snyder/Allen are still interfering to a certain extent

I'm hopeful that we'll see that stop as Scot's influence increases

SkinsJock wrote:Scot has done well so far, especially considering what he inherited here and the franchise is in good hands despite the fact that Snyder/Allen are still interfering to a certain extent

I'm hopeful that we'll see that stop as Scot's influence increases

I'm hopeful Scot can stay out of his own way long enough to complete the task. And then a good while after that, too.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Scot has done well so far, especially considering what he inherited here and the franchise is in good hands despite the fact that Snyder/Allen are still interfering to a certain extent

I'm hopeful that we'll see that stop as Scot's influence increases

I'm hopeful Scot can stay out of his own way long enough to complete the task. And then a good while after that, too.

Would it surprise you if I tell you that an Allen v. Scot M rivalry for influence is brewing?

Scot can become his own worst enemy and find himself in an untenable position (with assistance) from the team for non-football decisions. Only in the Danny Snyder Washington Redskins ...

Just sayn'

Everyone on the Drive on 980 were of the opinion that Scot and Gruden were ready to move on, Allen and Snyder are not. And if he is in fact listed as the #2 after his clearance, that is proof that Gruden is being ordered to place him there from above.