Spring Is Here Finally And With It New Hope

[riggofan]

I'm not buying that this franchise can realistically expect to be close to playing meaningful games this season ... maybe in 2016

I'm pretty sure we can play meaningful games this season. In fact, I can guarantee at least the first eight will be meaningful.

[riggofan]

I don't think Gruden did a great job last year at all. He actually looked overmatched in the job.

I think the jury is still out. It doesn't seem entirely fair to judge a coach in his first year taking over one of the worst rosters in the league, with no first round pick that year and say, "Yeah he sucked."

I agree though that he looked completely overwhelmed at times. IMO, the sign of a good coach isn't really about how good you are at winning games. Its more about how good you are competing when you don't have the best team. Allowing the team to get blown out in 44-7 type games reflects on the coach.

To be fair, you need to be patient with a new head coach and give him more than 2 years to see if he can grow into the role. Lots of head coaches had rough first years; Bill Parcells, for example, was 3-12-1 in his first year.

Its a lot to ask anyone to adjust to being a new head coach AND completely rebuild a roster as rotten as ours all in one year. We'll see.

[Countertrey]

Perception becomes reality. When you are in charge, always exude "we got this". There were far too many occasions when Jay was wearing "I ain't got a dayum clue". That's not fair, of course, but the fact is, non-verbal communication has far more impact on those around you than what you say. What will determine Jay's future is just as dependent upon how much the players believe him, as it does on the standings. We will all know, this year, if the players are starting to buy in, or not.


...a miracle would be pretty cool, though. Somebody let me know when LPJ predicts a Super Bowl win.

[PulpExposure]

Perception becomes reality. When you are in charge, always exude "we got this". There were far too many occasions when Jay was wearing "I ain't got a dayum clue".

I know that face! It looks like

[DEHog]

As for taking 3 draft classes…The NFL didn’t make the Redskins dump contracts leading to a cap penalty or give up 4 picks for 1!

Neither did Jay Gruden.

Yes but he accepted it when he became the HC

[riggofan]

As for taking 3 draft classes…The NFL didn’t make the Redskins dump contracts leading to a cap penalty or give up 4 picks for 1!

Neither did Jay Gruden.

Yes but he accepted it when he became the HC

lol. Give me a freaking break. That's complete bull****.

He accepted the job to turn this mess around just like Scot McGloughan did. Unless you want to argue that he took the job and claimed he could win the Super Bowl with the roster completely unchanged from what Shanahan left him.

Everybody knows the team is rebuilding, except for you apparently.

[SkinsJock]

I'm not buying that this franchise can realistically expect to be close to playing meaningful games this season ... maybe in 2016

I'm pretty sure we can play meaningful games this season. In fact, I can guarantee at least the first eight will be meaningful.

OK - the point that DEHog is pushing is that Jay's future is tied to the Redskins playing meaningful games in December - he feels that Jay should win enough games that mean they could make the playoffs if they win in December - that's BS

I think if Jay shows that he is a HC this season unlike last season when he certainly did not, he will be here

I think he could be gone no matter what the record is, if he does not show that he's a good HC

Jay's future here after this season has nothing to do with winning but how the players respond to his coaching on the field

we need more players than we can get in a few months

[DEHog]

lol. Give me a freaking break. That's complete bull****.

He accepted the job to turn this mess around just like Scot McGloughan did. Unless you want to argue that he took the job and claimed he could win the Super Bowl with the roster completely unchanged from what Shanahan left him.

Everybody knows the team is rebuilding, except for you apparently.

And in doing so he accepted those things. So you’re saying he knew nothing about the past?? Sorry but when you accept a HC job you accept the good, bad and ugly. Gruden knew exactly what he was getting into, if he didn’t than that’s on him. I never said he said that… but every coach thinks they can win.
P.S. that unchanged roster was only a year removed from winning the NFC East!! I guess it’s too much to ask that they be competitive??

[DEHog]

I'm not buying that this franchise can realistically expect to be close to playing meaningful games this season ... maybe in 2016

I'm pretty sure we can play meaningful games this season. In fact, I can guarantee at least the first eight will be meaningful.

OK - the point that DEHog is pushing is that Jay's future is tied to the Redskins playing meaningful games in December - he feels that Jay should win enough games that mean they could make the playoffs if they win in December - that's BS

I think if Jay shows that he is a HC this season unlike last season when he certainly did not, he will be here

I think he could be gone no matter what the record is, if he does not show that he's a good HC

Jay's future here after this season has nothing to do with winning but how the players respond to his coaching on the field

we need more players than we can get in a few months

What...have you ever notice how winning cures a lot of dysfunction in an organization? So 12-4 with a deep run into the playoffs doesn’t mean anything unless the players respond?
Did you notice all the love for Shanahn when they rip off 7 wins and went 10-6…not so much when they were 6-10 the next year!!

[riggofan]

And in doing so he accepted those things. So you’re saying he knew nothing about the past?? Sorry but when you accept a HC job you accept the good, bad and ugly. Gruden knew exactly what he was getting into, if he didn’t than that’s on him. I never said he said that… but every coach thinks they can win.
P.S. that unchanged roster was only a year removed from winning the NFC East!! I guess it’s too much to ask that they be competitive??

Of course Gruden knew about the team's past. That doesn't mean he is responsible for it. That doesn't mean he is responsible for the godawful roster he inherited or the fallout from capgate. It also doesn't mean he can magically transform that roster in a single season.

Your comments are either delusional (we won the NFC east! We were really good!) or willfully ignorant, so I'll just quit arguing them. I actually agree with your larger point that Gruden needs to show improvement this year. And I think the goal of seeing the team playing meaningful games in December is solid too.

[DEHog]

And in doing so he accepted those things. So you’re saying he knew nothing about the past?? Sorry but when you accept a HC job you accept the good, bad and ugly. Gruden knew exactly what he was getting into, if he didn’t than that’s on him. I never said he said that… but every coach thinks they can win.
P.S. that unchanged roster was only a year removed from winning the NFC East!! I guess it’s too much to ask that they be competitive??

Of course Gruden knew about the team's past. That doesn't mean he is responsible for it. That doesn't mean he is responsible for the godawful roster he inherited or the fallout from capgate. It also doesn't mean he can magically transform that roster in a single season.

Your comments are either delusional (we won the NFC east! We were really good!) or willfully ignorant, so I'll just quit arguing them. I actually agree with your larger point that Gruden needs to show improvement this year. And I think the goal of seeing the team playing meaningful games in December is solid too.

I think we are talking apples/oranges…my comment was that it wasn’t the NFL’s fault, never did I blame Gruden did I? That said as the HC unfortunately he has to deal with it!! I’m delusional for saying we won the NFC East…what am I missing? My point was that there was a coach who won with that same roster…never did I say “We were really good”. You’re assuming a lot and putting a lot of words in my mouth that I didn’t say.

[HEROHAMO]

Its one thing if a rookie head coach is surrounded by a veteran coaching staff. Yet he chooses another rookie defensive coordinator? Why not opt for one of the former San Francisco defensive staff members who have ties to Scot M.? Would have been a perfect fit.

Scot has said that the coaching staff is the HC responsibility. If you were a high profile veteran assistant whould you want to come to DC under a unproven HC??

Another reason why I dont like the Gruden hire. The fact that he was a rookie I was willing to overlook had he shown us some improvement. I did not see any signifigant improvement. Did you? Thats the bottom line brother we can go over all the small stuff. But its all about wins bro. Did we get to the playoffs? Did we even get a 500. season?

No! the results stunk. Thats all I care about. If he gives me some success with the headache and drama ill take it so long as we get the success.

[HEROHAMO]

Its obvious Scot M. knows what he is doing. Scot has already helped build two championship caliber teams San Fran and Seattle.
So far I love the moves he has made already as well.
I have full faith in Scot M. as our GM.

Gruden is a whole other story for me. Its his second year but I dont care. Its my team so I dont have time to give newbie coaches time to learn under the job. I want results now!

The sign of a good coach is does he get the most out of his team and coaches?
After last season I think we can all say that he definatley did not do that.
Also his choice on a defensive coordinator sure has me scratching my head.

Its one thing if a rookie head coach is surrounded by a veteran coaching staff. Yet he chooses another rookie defensive coordinator? Why not opt for one of the former San Francisco defensive staff members who have ties to Scot M.? Would have been a perfect fit. They have had a successful defense as well.
Also add in that he does not draft well either. Him and Bruce I cant recall them bringing in a Pro Bowl player either. So his talent evaluation is not good either. I know Bruce got lucky with a couple players while Mike was coach but that was probably mike S. picking the players.

We did not see any improvement last year. All we got last year from Gruden was more drama and a losing season. How does that give me any confidence in him.

Yes the Redskins were a big mess of a team already. So hiring a rookie head coach was probably not the best choice in the first place to fix the mess that is our team.

Back to hope. I am confident in Scot M. and his decisions. Ultimatley its Snyder then Scot. But I am so greatful that we have an actual good football mind in the building.

You got a lot of this very wrong.

First you cant expect results in the first year with a team on the level ours is on. In the first year, Gruden had to roll with a lot of the old coaching staff, and a large amount of players that didnt fit his plan offensively. This would be a multi year project I dont care if its Jay Gruden or Bill Belichek.

We actually were going to get a coach from the san fran defensive coaching staff, but vic fangio turned us down due to the drama that is the redskins.

Pretty sure Bruce was in charge of last years draft, and the scouting department that did all the research, has nothing at all to do with Jay.

Breeland may very well be a pro bowl calibre player, so wrong again.

Rookie head coach had some to do with it, but not much. Thing I like though is this year his vision is coming together, and the coaching matches the vision Scot has. Bigger stronger players win games. This year you can begin measuring.

No I dont have it wrong. I demand results playoffs every year. Thats what I want and I want to see it happen. The decade plus of futility under Snyder has weakened most Skins fans expectations. I understand fully. But for me I will always expect playoffs and a run to the SuperBowl.

Scot M. is showing us in just a lil over a month how fast he can turn things around. In such little time Scot has already signed four new players. Talented ones at that. So much turnover with one hire. One good GM and look how fast he has made moves.

Dont even bring up Bill Bellicheck or any other veteran coach. They would have had a far better season had they been in charge last year. You can already see how Scot is making moves. A brilliant football mind makes a huge difference.

One huge issue I have with Gruden. How does he come in first year and undermines the franchise player. Thats one way to screw things up. Its clear Gruden does not believe in Griffin. So how can he empower Griffin if he himself truly does not believe in Robert? Gruden will only half heartedly try to help Griffin if in his heart of hearts does not believe in him. Its also up to Robert as well but its tru

Starting QB and head coach relationship must be a healthy one. Its going to be very difficult to have success without having a smooth relationship between our starting QB and head coach. Its a must.
Walsh, Montana, Schula, Marino, Dungy, Manning, Holmgren, Farve, Bellicheck and Brady. Its clear Gruden and Griffin do not like each other. Something has to give.

[riggofan]

Another reason why I dont like the Gruden hire. The fact that he was a rookie I was willing to overlook had he shown us some improvement. I did not see any signifigant improvement. Did you?

Yeah. We lost twice to Dallas in 2013. We beat Dallas once in 2014. Improvement.

We were 3-13 in 2013. We were 4-12 in 2014. Improvement.

Before you say, "Big Deal. One game." Let me just point out in 2003 under Steve Spurrier the team was 5-11. Joe Gibbs came in 2004 and the team finished 6-10. One more game. Improvement.

Rookie coach. Hall of fame Coach. College coach. Completely unknown coach. Super bowl winning coach, Mike Shanahan. The results have been the same. People just don't seem to freaking get it. There isn't some Mystical Coach Big Johnson who is going to come in here in one year and "coach 'em up."

[riggofan]

Dont even bring up Bill Bellicheck or any other veteran coach. They would have had a far better season had they been in charge last year.

Really?? You mean a veteran coach like Mike Shanahan?

[HEROHAMO]

Dont even bring up Bill Bellicheck or any other veteran coach. They would have had a far better season had they been in charge last year.

Really?? You mean a veteran coach like Mike Shanahan?

Yes the same Mike Shanahan who took us to the playoffs and won the NFC East in Roberts rookie year.

[DEHog]

Its one thing if a rookie head coach is surrounded by a veteran coaching staff. Yet he chooses another rookie defensive coordinator? Why not opt for one of the former San Francisco defensive staff members who have ties to Scot M.? Would have been a perfect fit.

Scot has said that the coaching staff is the HC responsibility. If you were a high profile veteran assistant whould you want to come to DC under a unproven HC??

Another reason why I dont like the Gruden hire. The fact that he was a rookie I was willing to overlook had he shown us some improvement. I did not see any signifigant improvement. Did you? Thats the bottom line brother we can go over all the small stuff. But its all about wins bro. Did we get to the playoffs? Did we even get a 500. season?

No! the results stunk. Thats all I care about. If he gives me some success with the headache and drama ill take it so long as we get the success.

I didn't like the Gruden hire either, that said to be honest I would like to see the team give him 3 years. I hate the revolving door of HC in this organization....but as I have said if he has another bad year I'm not sure they will have patients with him??

[DEHog]

Another reason why I dont like the Gruden hire. The fact that he was a rookie I was willing to overlook had he shown us some improvement. I did not see any signifigant improvement. Did you?

Yeah. We lost twice to Dallas in 2013. We beat Dallas once in 2014. Improvement.

We were 3-13 in 2013. We were 4-12 in 2014. Improvement.

Before you say, "Big Deal. One game." Let me just point out in 2003 under Steve Spurrier the team was 5-11. Joe Gibbs came in 2004 and the team finished 6-10. One more game. Improvement.

Rookie coach. Hall of fame Coach. College coach. Completely unknown coach. Super bowl winning coach, Mike Shanahan. The results have been the same. People just don't seem to freaking get it. There isn't some Mystical Coach Big Johnson who is going to come in here in one year and "coach 'em up."

So now we are comparing Gruden to Gibbs? Do you really think anyone in the organization was celebrating “improvement” after a 4-12 year? I agree we you that Gruden needs to be given time, I’m just worried that they won’t give it to him.

[DEHog]

Its obvious Scot M. knows what he is doing. Scot has already helped build two championship caliber teams San Fran and Seattle.
So far I love the moves he has made already as well.
I have full faith in Scot M. as our GM.

Gruden is a whole other story for me. Its his second year but I dont care. Its my team so I dont have time to give newbie coaches time to learn under the job. I want results now!

The sign of a good coach is does he get the most out of his team and coaches?
After last season I think we can all say that he definatley did not do that.
Also his choice on a defensive coordinator sure has me scratching my head.

Its one thing if a rookie head coach is surrounded by a veteran coaching staff. Yet he chooses another rookie defensive coordinator? Why not opt for one of the former San Francisco defensive staff members who have ties to Scot M.? Would have been a perfect fit. They have had a successful defense as well.
Also add in that he does not draft well either. Him and Bruce I cant recall them bringing in a Pro Bowl player either. So his talent evaluation is not good either. I know Bruce got lucky with a couple players while Mike was coach but that was probably mike S. picking the players.

We did not see any improvement last year. All we got last year from Gruden was more drama and a losing season. How does that give me any confidence in him.

Yes the Redskins were a big mess of a team already. So hiring a rookie head coach was probably not the best choice in the first place to fix the mess that is our team.

Back to hope. I am confident in Scot M. and his decisions. Ultimatley its Snyder then Scot. But I am so greatful that we have an actual good football mind in the building.

You got a lot of this very wrong.

First you cant expect results in the first year with a team on the level ours is on. In the first year, Gruden had to roll with a lot of the old coaching staff, and a large amount of players that didnt fit his plan offensively. This would be a multi year project I dont care if its Jay Gruden or Bill Belichek.

We actually were going to get a coach from the san fran defensive coaching staff, but vic fangio turned us down due to the drama that is the redskins.

Pretty sure Bruce was in charge of last years draft, and the scouting department that did all the research, has nothing at all to do with Jay.

Breeland may very well be a pro bowl calibre player, so wrong again.

Rookie head coach had some to do with it, but not much. Thing I like though is this year his vision is coming together, and the coaching matches the vision Scot has. Bigger stronger players win games. This year you can begin measuring.

No I dont have it wrong. I demand results playoffs every year. Thats what I want and I want to see it happen. The decade plus of futility under Snyder has weakened most Skins fans expectations. I understand fully. But for me I will always expect playoffs and a run to the SuperBowl.

Scot M. is showing us in just a lil over a month how fast he can turn things around. In such little time Scot has already signed four new players. Talented ones at that. So much turnover with one hire. One good GM and look how fast he has made moves.

Dont even bring up Bill Bellicheck or any other veteran coach. They would have had a far better season had they been in charge last year. You can already see how Scot is making moves. A brilliant football mind makes a huge difference.

One huge issue I have with Gruden. How does he come in first year and undermines the franchise player. Thats one way to screw things up. Its clear Gruden does not believe in Griffin. So how can he empower Griffin if he himself truly does not believe in Robert? Gruden will only half heartedly try to help Griffin if in his heart of hearts does not believe in him. Its also up to Robert as well but its tru

Starting QB and head coach relationship must be a healthy one. Its going to be very difficult to have success without having a smooth relationship between our starting QB and head coach. Its a must.
Walsh, Montana, Schula, Marino, Dungy, Manning, Holmgren, Farve, Bellicheck and Brady. Its clear Gruden and Griffin do not like each other. Something has to give.

Yea, while I may not expect playoffs every year I get your point. So many on here will be happy with 6 or 7 wins??? Is it wrong to expect this team to at least play some meaningful games in December??

[riggofan]

So now we are comparing Gruden to Gibbs? Do you really think anyone in the organization was celebrating “improvement” after a 4-12 year? I agree we you that Gruden needs to be given time, I’m just worried that they won’t give it to him.

No, I'm not comparing Gruden to Gibbs. I'm comparing their records in their first year taking over a Redskins team in the Daniel Snyder era. Was anyone celebrating Gibbs' turning the team around from 5-11 to 6-10?

Gibbs got the team into the playoffs his second year of course. Let's see if Gruden can do as well.

[riggofan]

Dont even bring up Bill Bellicheck or any other veteran coach. They would have had a far better season had they been in charge last year.

Really?? You mean a veteran coach like Mike Shanahan?

Yes the same Mike Shanahan who took us to the playoffs and won the NFC East in Roberts rookie year.

Oh I see. I thought you were talking about the same veteran coach Mike Shanahan who went 3-13 with this same team and the same post knee injury RGIII. You're talking about the miracle unicorn Mike Shanahan from 2012.

[SkinsJock]

I'll be very surprised if these guys can have this franchise competing for a playoff spot this season - that's what "playing meaningful games in December means - are you kidding me ... good luck with that - this franchise will take more than 1 season to get better and I doubt that this HC is going to be here in 2016 so the whole process has to start again - I do think we'll see progress but it's going to take time


I hope that Jay Gruden can do a lot better job than last season because he did not look at all like a HC IMO

I'm done here - Jay Gruden will likely lose his job because he's not a good HC not because of our wins and losses

[DEHog]

I'll be very surprised if these guys can have this franchise competing for a playoff spot this season - that's what "playing meaningful games in December means - are you kidding me ... good luck with that - this franchise will take more than 1 season to get better and I doubt that this HC is going to be here in 2016 so the whole process has to start again - I do think we'll see progress but it's going to take time


I hope that Jay Gruden can do a lot better job than last season because he did not look at all like a HC IMO

I'm done here - Jay Gruden will likely lose his job because he's not a good HC not because of our wins and losses

Being a good coach and wining aren’t mutually exclusive…if Gruden can manage to keep the team in the playoff hunt in December he’ll be here in 16. Don't kid yourself, wining speaks volumes about a coach.

[riggofan]

I'll be very surprised if these guys can have this franchise competing for a playoff spot this season - that's what "playing meaningful games in December means

The Browns were playing meaningful games in December last year. They weren't eliminated from playoff contention until Dec 21st. I don't think anyone believed they were really a playoff team last year, but they were playing meaningful games late into December. Their record was 7-9 btw.

Do you think the team can win two or three more games than they did last year? Finish 7-9 and you probably won't have been mathematically eliminated at Thanksgiving like every other year.

[SkinsJock]

I could care less what any other franchise does

this franchise needs major help in so many areas from what we saw last season - that is not happening in one year

I'm not drinking that cool-aid anymore