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HEROHAMO wrote:

DEHog wrote:

I still think keeping him for now is better for the franchise than letting him go or trading him

I think this is the exact attitude and reason why we are where we are. I for one hope this is the first thing SM changes. The teams that are competitive year in and year out live by the mantra that it’s better to get rid of a player a year to soon than a year to late. I’m so tired of hearing about this or that player who if let go will come back to haunt us??? Name one player (not named Champ) that has left and had an all pro career?? I realize this thread is about Griffin and that he probably won’t be traded, but If SM is what we think he is, RG will only be here because he couldn’t get anything for him.

BTW...Majac Johnson just rip RG for his social media presence and lack of leadership skills.

Griffin has taken us to the playoffs once. Is he perfect? No, he is still a young man growing. I say we support him and build around him. He has already shown us that if in the right situation he can succeed.

At the very least he has good character and is a good man. Its funny how he gets so much negative pub but in reality is he doing anything that bad?

Seriously all over the NFL you have wife beaters, drugg addicts, alcoholics , racists and whatver else you can think of. Yet Griffin gets spoken of in the same breath as those guys like Ray Rice.

I understand that the Redskins team has not been winning. But I seriously doubt its Griffins fault.
Put a real Oline around him. Give him a real defense to get the ball back. Give him a coach who can help him succeed.

Seems to me Gruden is bent on having RG3 run his system. The great coaches make a system for the players they have. To me its Gruden who has to prove himself. Griffin on the other hand has a resume already which has shown more success then Gruden.

Griffin has taken us to the playoffs once. Is he perfect? No, he is still a young man growing. I say we support him and build around him. He has already shown us that if in the right situation he can succeed.
And that situations is a read option offense which is not sustainable in the NFL, he has regressed since then.At the very least he has good character and is a good man. Its funny how he gets so much negative pub but in reality is he doing anything that bad?

I never said he was, but it comes with playing in the NFL and especially at the QB position. I look at his play on the field, that’s the only thing that matters.

Seriously all over the NFL you have wife beaters, drugg addicts, alcoholics , racists and whatver else you can think of. Yet Griffin gets spoken of in the same breath as those guys like Ray Rice.

I’ve not seen him compared to those guys, and the league is not filled with guys like this. For the most part the league is filled with good guys, you just hear about the bad ones. But this is the same argument my son had when he was growing up. I’ll give you the same answer I gave him…is that really the yardstick you want to use to measure yourself?? I don’t cheat on my wife, hit her, or hang out in bars…Am I a good husband?? Bottom line is (fairly or not) he came into the league with a lot of hype and his first year was electrifying, you didn’t hear people complaining about him then…have you ever seen someone digress as much as him in as short of period?? If he plays well it will all go away.

I understand that the Redskins team has not been winning. But I seriously doubt its Griffins fault. Put a real Oline around him. Give him a real defense to get the ball back. Give him a coach who can help him succeed.

I didn’t see Cousins take the sacks RG took...his pocket awareness is non-existent. A good D is not going to fix RG. In fact the opposite is true, if the offense was better it would make the D better....I.E. Dallas this year...it wasn't that thier D was better it was that they weren't on the field as much because the O was so good. Isn’t Gruden the coach that was hired to help him succeed?? I was honestly shocked at how quickly he gave up and the criticism he had on RG.

Seems to me Gruden is bent on having RG3 run his system. The great coaches make a system for the players they have. To me its Gruden who has to prove himself. Griffin on the other hand has a resume already which has shown more success then Gruden.

So is that system the one that Shanahan ran?? Isn’t RG on record as saying he doesn’t want to run the read option? Why isn’t Shanahan still here?? I will agree that you should run a system that’s suits your team but do you really think the read option is sustainable in the NFL. Gruden was brought here to help RG become a pocket passer was he not?? QB’s like RG come from a system of a one read offense, didn’t you notice how simple the offense was called when RG was playing? IMO the only reason we are sticking with him as a starter is because of what we gave up for him…and as I’ve said the only thing worse than admitting he’s a bust, is not admitted it and keeping him one minute longer that we should. That said I’m rooting for him I’ve always liked him, I just think if he is ever going to succeed (which I don’t think he will) it’s may not be here.

Deadskins wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Seems to me Gruden is bent on having RG3 run his system. The great coaches make a system for the players they have. To me its Gruden who has to prove himself. Griffin on the other hand has a resume already which has shown more success then Gruden.

I don't know fellas. I agree with the sentiment that Griffin is being judged harshly and people are overcritical of him. However, this whole "Gruden needs to change his system" thing is nonsense. Gruden isn't running some exotic Chip Kelly offense. He's running a basic pro style NFL offense like 30 other teams in the league. Griffin needs to learn and prove that he can stand in the pocket, read defenses and play professional NFL style football. He's already proven that playing "his style" of college football, read option, run around outside the pocket is successful only at getting him hurt.

Seriously, what is the point of having Gruden go back to the Shanahan gimmick offense and running it for eight or nine games until RGIII gets injured? That's not sustainable, and its an idiotic goal.

I just think we need to give BOTH Griffin and Gruden a little more time ....

I don't understand why Griffin needs to be traded

I don't believe that Gruden has given up on Griffin

these 2 QBs are our best option for now - competition for the starting QB job is good for everybody

why not let this play out a little longer - we're a long way from seeing a product on the field like Scot and Jay want here

let's let them take their time and make this right - getting rid of young players that can help is not what these guys are all about

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Seems to me Gruden is bent on having RG3 run his system. The great coaches make a system for the players they have. To me its Gruden who has to prove himself. Griffin on the other hand has a resume already which has shown more success then Gruden.

I don't know fellas. I agree with the sentiment that Griffin is being judged harshly and people are overcritical of him. However, this whole "Gruden needs to change his system" thing is nonsense. Gruden isn't running some exotic Chip Kelly offense. He's running a basic pro style NFL offense like 30 other teams in the league. Griffin needs to learn and prove that he can stand in the pocket, read defenses and play professional NFL style football. He's already proven that playing "his style" of college football, read option, run around outside the pocket is successful only at getting him hurt.

Seriously, what is the point of having Gruden go back to the Shanahan gimmick offense and running it for eight or nine games until RGIII gets injured? That's not sustainable, and its an idiotic goal.

Agree 100 percent!

I very much doubt that Gruden will use any other offense than what he's comfortable with ...

He was also brought in here because of his offensive talents and one of the things he needed to do was to get more from the QB position

Gruden needs to do a better job as HC but he does not need to change how he wants his offense to work

Gruden and Scott will take the steps needed to get things turned around here and while it may take a couple of years it will happen

Having a great QB is not as urgent an issue as having the right players around him - that will take time

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Seems to me Gruden is bent on having RG3 run his system. The great coaches make a system for the players they have. To me its Gruden who has to prove himself. Griffin on the other hand has a resume already which has shown more success then Gruden.

I don't know fellas. I agree with the sentiment that Griffin is being judged harshly and people are overcritical of him. However, this whole "Gruden needs to change his system" thing is nonsense. Gruden isn't running some exotic Chip Kelly offense. He's running a basic pro style NFL offense like 30 other teams in the league. Griffin needs to learn and prove that he can stand in the pocket, read defenses and play professional NFL style football. He's already proven that playing "his style" of college football, read option, run around outside the pocket is successful only at getting him hurt.

Seriously, what is the point of having Gruden go back to the Shanahan gimmick offense and running it for eight or nine games until RGIII gets injured? That's not sustainable, and its an idiotic goal.

Didn't say they should run the read option. Bill Walsh designed the West Coast Offense because he had a QB that was accurate, but didn't have a strong arm. It's a timing based offense that emphasizes run after the catch. And some read/option can still be effective, you just can't run it every play. And I was applauding Hero's entire post, not just that last paragraph.

Deadskins wrote:Didn't say they should run the read option. Bill Walsh designed the West Coast Offense because he had a QB that was accurate, but didn't have a strong arm. It's a timing based offense that emphasizes run after the catch. And some read/option can still be effective, you just can't run it every play. And I was applauding Hero's entire post, not just that last paragraph.

Sorry I was responding to Herohamo's post. Anyway, I still think its ridiculous that we can't expect the second pick in the draft to be able to run a pro style offense at least as well as Andy Dalton. Instead we're expecting that the head coach to invent a new style of offense a la Bill Walsh? Because that happens every year.

I know some people have, but I haven't completely given up on Robert. I think beefing up the o-line and protecting him better would at least give him a shot at improving. The problem with RGIII however is not Jay Gruden.

Funny this article just posted today:

Reviewing the play of the Redskins’ quarterbacks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... rterbacks/

Griffin battled the same problems he’s had since he entered the league; reluctance to throw, holding on to the ball too long, failing to read through his progressions and poor mechanics.

This might have been Griffin’s worst play of the season. The Buccaneers defense is built on Lovie Smith’s “Tampa 2” scheme. To counter it, Jay Gruden calls for a corner-flat route combination, a very basic Tampa 2 coverage beater.

When Griffin reaches the top of his drop, his protection is perfect and he has all five receivers open. The Bucs defense gets it horribly wrong. The corners play far too shallow to the flat and the safeties are playing far too deep. Griffin shouldn’t even have to think about this play; he should instinctively know to throw one of the corner routes. If he doesn’t feel comfortable with the corner routes for whatever reason, he can check down to one of the flat routes or even to Alfred Morris underneath.

But instead, Griffin takes off scrambling, despite having a clean pocket and receivers to throw to.

Griffin ends up scrambling into a stunting defensive lineman and nearly takes a sack, getting rid of the ball just before he takes a big hit. But the throw fell incomplete, when he should have had an easy first down.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Didn't say they should run the read option. Bill Walsh designed the West Coast Offense because he had a QB that was accurate, but didn't have a strong arm. It's a timing based offense that emphasizes run after the catch. And some read/option can still be effective, you just can't run it every play. And I was applauding Hero's entire post, not just that last paragraph.

Sorry I was responding to Herohamo's post. Anyway, I still think its ridiculous that we can't expect the second pick in the draft to be able to run a pro style offense at least as well as Andy Dalton. Instead we're expecting that the head coach to invent a new style of offense a la Bill Walsh? Because that happens every year.

I know some people have, but I haven't completely given up on Robert. I think beefing up the o-line and protecting him better would at least give him a shot at improving. The problem with RGIII however is not Jay Gruden.

Agreed

Totally agree also - Griffin's growing pains and his slowness in adapting to playing QB in the NFL are not because of Gruden

Gruden did not do well as a HC but it was not all because of Griffin

I still believe both Gruden and Griffin have a lot more to offer this franchise than we saw ...

as far as I am concerned Griffin has accomplished NOTHING in the NFL, nothing noteworthy. Rookie of the Year and Eastern Division championship were nothing more than fools gold, if you enjoyed it good for you. I saw the bitter end from the beginning and knew how it would end because I've seen lots of running QBs fail in the NFL before I ever heard of Griffin. When the Skins paid 3 first round and 1 second round for him it was clear to me what a mega bust he would be, the biggest of Synder's many epic failures. Running a high school read option offense worked in 2012 until he crunched, who didn't think that was inevitable? I place absolutely NO VALUE on 2012, none it was just a distraction and another one of Snyder's many fantasy league failures.

What is pertinent now is how Griffin do in 2013 and even more importantly 2014 when he ATTEMPTED to be an NFL QB. Gruden told Griffin go ahead and show me something and Griffin couldn't deliver. Griffin look utterly clueless and useless trying to run Gruden's very conventional WCO. If the Skins are going to move forward in 2015 Grunden ought to be able to decide if he wants to invest snaps and coaching time on Griffin. If Gruden has seen enough to think he can make an NFL quarterback out of Griffin in 2015 than Griffin should be on the roster if not, maybe some franchise would be willing to trade a stout tackle or guard for him, or a 2015 draft choice for Griffin. Perhaps that is the way Griffin can help them team in 2015.

DEHog wrote:

Griffin has taken us to the playoffs once. Is he perfect? No, he is still a young man growing. I say we support him and build around him. He has already shown us that if in the right situation he can succeed.
And that situations is a read option offense which is not sustainable in the NFL, he has regressed since then.At the very least he has good character and is a good man. Its funny how he gets so much negative pub but in reality is he doing anything that bad?

I never said he was, but it comes with playing in the NFL and especially at the QB position. I look at his play on the field, that’s the only thing that matters.

Seriously all over the NFL you have wife beaters, drugg addicts, alcoholics , racists and whatver else you can think of. Yet Griffin gets spoken of in the same breath as those guys like Ray Rice.

I’ve not seen him compared to those guys, and the league is not filled with guys like this. For the most part the league is filled with good guys, you just hear about the bad ones. But this is the same argument my son had when he was growing up. I’ll give you the same answer I gave him…is that really the yardstick you want to use to measure yourself?? I don’t cheat on my wife, hit her, or hang out in bars…Am I a good husband?? Bottom line is (fairly or not) he came into the league with a lot of hype and his first year was electrifying, you didn’t hear people complaining about him then…have you ever seen someone digress as much as him in as short of period?? If he plays well it will all go away.

I understand that the Redskins team has not been winning. But I seriously doubt its Griffins fault. Put a real Oline around him. Give him a real defense to get the ball back. Give him a coach who can help him succeed.

I didn’t see Cousins take the sacks RG took...his pocket awareness is non-existent. A good D is not going to fix RG. In fact the opposite is true, if the offense was better it would make the D better....I.E. Dallas this year...it wasn't that thier D was better it was that they weren't on the field as much because the O was so good. Isn’t Gruden the coach that was hired to help him succeed?? I was honestly shocked at how quickly he gave up and the criticism he had on RG.

Seems to me Gruden is bent on having RG3 run his system. The great coaches make a system for the players they have. To me its Gruden who has to prove himself. Griffin on the other hand has a resume already which has shown more success then Gruden.

So is that system the one that Shanahan ran?? Isn’t RG on record as saying he doesn’t want to run the read option? Why isn’t Shanahan still here?? I will agree that you should run a system that’s suits your team but do you really think the read option is sustainable in the NFL. Gruden was brought here to help RG become a pocket passer was he not?? QB’s like RG come from a system of a one read offense, didn’t you notice how simple the offense was called when RG was playing? IMO the only reason we are sticking with him as a starter is because of what we gave up for him…and as I’ve said the only thing worse than admitting he’s a bust, is not admitted it and keeping him one minute longer that we should. That said I’m rooting for him I’ve always liked him, I just think if he is ever going to succeed (which I don’t think he will) it’s may not be here.

Too many replies for me to respond to but I read them all. Ill try to summarize.

Bottom line is, Gruden, Griff and Kirk failed to put together a successful season. For a short stint Colt Mccoy actually looked good. But still the Season was a failure. Kirk did not take as many sacks but sure did throw up two to three times more interceptions pointing back to the Oline. Colt on the other hand is just limited physically but has all the intangibles. Still we had a terrible Oline this should be evident.

Whether or not Gruden is a good coach is yet to be seen. We already have proof that Griff can be good. He threw very few interceptions his rookie year, helped us win the division and got us to the playoffs. He has accomplished this already.

But the problem is Danny up top gave him too much say. The drama led to Shanahan being fired. Now the media goes non stop on a young man who was thrown into a mess that he did not start. Hes still a very young man. Its up to the older and wiser ones to make sure his enviroment is a good one.
The one mistake I do blame on Shanahan is letting RG3 continue to play when he was hurt. Other then that I thought Shanny coached good. Drafting was ok at best.

I assure you had Peyton Manning, Brady or any other QB been thrown into the same situation it probably would have been the same. Manning and Brady all have great leadership behind them. Lucky for Griff he has a very strong family and has instilled great character into him. Hes not perfect by any means but he has endured quite alot so far. If anyone can turn it around I believe Griff can. I am sure we all want this.

Lets let Scott do his job. So far Scott is letting both Gruden and Griff stay. I am sure Scott is going to build around Griff and Gruden and surround them with great football minds.

I am confident that when we get a good Oline together this offense will start soaring again. Griffin should be back to 100 percent of his form like his rookie year.

Remember he was very accurate in his rookie season. He did more then just one read as well. Just look at the Saints game you can see him surveying the whole field. Anyhow lets see what happens.

Let me just respond to a few of your comments that stood out to me…

Kirk did not take as many sacks but sure did throw up two to three times more interceptions pointing back to the Oline.

Much easier to coach the INT’s than the issues that RG has.

We already have proof that Griff can be good.

It should read… “We already have proof that Griff can be good in the read option”…we have zero proof that RG can develop into a functional traditional NFL QB…he is currently trending in the opposite direction.

I assure you had Peyton Manning, Brady or any other QB been thrown into the same situation it probably would have been the same.

Couldn’t disagree more, both have had to do it with backups scattered across the line in recent years.

Manning and Brady all have great leadership behind them. Lucky for Griff he has a very strong family and has instilled great character into him.

I keep seeing this an a argument to keep him…what does it have to do with the ability to physically play QB in the NFL...Tim Tebow comes from a great family too…JS

I am confident that when we get a good Oline together this offense will start soaring again. Griffin should be back to 100 percent of his form like his rookie year.

Are we going back to the read option??

Let me offer you guys a different perspective.

Lets say we go through ota's and camp and its even remotely close between Griff and Cousins. We know Griff has enough bonus points that he wins, and I dont think anyone will argue that... if Cousins is better but Griffin is in the neighborhood, Griffin starts.

Ok so Griffin starts, he gets 1st string snaps towards the ebd of camp and during preseason. We hit the regular season, maybe he does pretty good maybe he doesnt, 2-6 weeks in, he injures something, and now we got Cousins anyway, but a Cousins that has gotten 2nd team reps for 2-3 months.

So why not just start with Cousins and give the kid a REAL chance?

Griffin WILL get injured. The kid is 100% lean muscle, is tall and skinny. His body is just not made to take hits, he isnt built like Cam Newton. He cannot change that about him. He is too competitive, its completely against every instinct he has, and his ego wont allow anything else. He is going to scramble and run, he is going to be in positions where the team NEEDS those extra few yards, or is close to the endzone, he is going to get hit. Plus other defenses know he is prone to those things. Are they going to let up like they do with a brady or a Rodgers that typically slide? Are they going to air on the side of caution like they do with a QB that typically tries to throw the ball away in the pocket, no they are going for that hard hit because of how likely he is to run.

So why waste a few weeks of camp, an entire preseason, and a few weeks of the regular season on a player that we know is gonna end up off the field anyways?

Prowl33 wrote:So, why waste a few weels of camp, an entire preseason, and a few weeks of the regular season on a player that we know is gonna end up off the field anyways?

Because we don't know that. Sorry, but RGIII getting hurt is not the foregone conclusion some of you think it is.

Prowl33 wrote:Let me offer you guys a different perspective.

Lets say we go through ota's and camp and its even remotely close between Griff and Cousins. We know Griff has enough bonus points that he wins, and I dont think anyone will argue that... if Cousins is better but Griffin is in the neighborhood, Griffin starts.

Ok so Griffin starts, he gets 1st string snaps towards the ebd of camp and during preseason. We hit the regular season, maybe he does pretty good maybe he doesnt, 2-6 weeks in, he injures something, and now we got Cousins anyway, but a Cousins that has gotten 2nd team reps for 2-3 months.

So why not just start with Cousins and give the kid a REAL chance?

Griffin WILL get injured. The kid is 100% lean muscle, is tall and skinny. His body is just not made to take hits, he isnt built like Cam Newton. He cannot change that about him. He is too competitive, its completely against every instinct he has, and his ego wont allow anything else. He is going to scramble and run, he is going to be in positions where the team NEEDS those extra few yards, or is close to the endzone, he is going to get hit. Plus other defenses know he is prone to those things. Are they going to let up like they do with a brady or a Rodgers that typically slide? Are they going to air on the side of caution like they do with a QB that typically tries to throw the ball away in the pocket, no they are going for that hard hit because of how likely he is to run.

So why waste a few weeks of camp, an entire preseason, and a few weeks of the regular season on a player that we know is gonna end up off the field anyways?

You can’t allow potential injuries to dictate your decision process. I think we all want an open and fair competition for QB and if Griff wins that competition I’m sure we all want him to stay healthy. The Redskins need an injury free season to evaluate him properly. I’ve seen enough, but there are many that point to his injuries as reasons for his poor play. I know I for one want to see an injury free season so that everyone can evaluate him free of (injury) excuses. I’m sure given the recent history Cousins is well aware of his potential to get playing time. If RG can’t stay healthy this year, I think the decision is made for the Redskins and they will begin the process of moving forward without him.

Deadskins wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:So, why waste a few weels of camp, an entire preseason, and a few weeks of the regular season on a player that we know is gonna end up off the field anyways?

Because we don't know that. Sorry, but RGIII getting hurt is not the foregone conclusion some of you think it is.

How many times has he been injured since being here? now how many times has he been hit hard and taken a long time to get uo because he was hurt but not bad enough to come off the field?

Nothing is 100%. But if you look at the odds, they are well in favor of him not making it a whole season.

If Griffin wasnt a Redskin but had the EXACT same history with another team. He was a FA this year, we had a decent QB but not a franchise one. Would you want to pick up a 4th year QB who has had only 1 succesful season, was benched for performance, has missed considerable time for injury, has had multiple injuries, and has the bad press deserved or not that Griffin has?

If your answer is honestly yes, you would pick up that QB in FA... Then you just followed the path that every single person HATES about our front office of the last 15+ years.

DEHog, do we not look at injuries when we look at adding a Free Agent, or a draft prospect? It has to be part of the evaluation process because it dictates your potential availabilty to be on the field and produce.

Name to me a single franchise QB that has missed, and played injured, as high of a percentage of time on the field as Griffin.

I don't want to trade away rg3, i want him to go all the way through just because we gave up so much for him.
I'm ignoring common sense on this of course Prowl.

Prowl33 wrote:DEHog, do we not look at injuries when we look at adding a Free Agent, or a draft prospect? It has to be part of the evaluation process because it dictates your potential availabilty to be on the field and produce.

Name to me a single franchise QB that has missed, and played injured, as high of a percentage of time on the field as Griffin.

You’re talking apples and oranges...in this case you’re are talking about a player who is on your roster. You want to bench him in favor of the backup because he “might” get injured??? Sorry but that’s not how you make decisions, or should make decision in the process of determining starters for your football team.
Michael Vick comes to mind...but there is no franchise QB where the team gave up three 1's and a 2...point being the Skins are gonna see this through!

The Redskins will give both QBs a chance to show they should be the starting QB ... If Griffin shows that he's the better of the 2, that's a huge step up ... Griffin has not shown much and for him to show the staff that he's better than Cousins means that somehow he's made monumental strides since he was last on the field

we all agree that Cousins needs to do a much better job of not turning the ball over - we also agree that that is a lot easier to do than what Griffin has on his plate - this kid is a load of talent that doesn't seem to know how to play in a conventional NFL offense

so .... If Griffin shows that he's become a better QB - IMO - he's the man

there's no reason to get rid of either of these 2 guys, at this time - that may change in the near future ....

Prowl33 wrote:So why not just start with Cousins and give the kid a REAL chance?

Because I don't want to see Cousins handed the job any more than I want to see RGIII handed the job. Both of these guys have shown weaknesses over the past three years. Let them come to OTAs and training camp and prove which QB deserves to start.

I think everybody else has commented pretty well on your "don't start RGIII he might get injured" stuff. If Griffin legitimately beats out Cousins for the starting job then he should be the starter.

Honestly, I think Griffin has the tougher road to win the job in an open training camp competition. Cousins is just further ahead as a pocket passer, and its pretty clear in hindsight that he outplayed Griffin in camp last year. Even if Cousins outplays him again though, do you think the coaches fully trust Cousins? He kind of seemed to fold under the pressure and wasn't able to bounce back from INTs.

Btw I thought your comments about RGIII's frame were kind of funny. "The kid is 100% lean muscle, is tall and skinny. His body is just not made to take hits." The guy is listed as 6'2" 222 lbs on ESPN. Makes me wonder why anyone would consider drafting Mariota who is 6'4" 219 lbs. Taller and skinnier.

Prowl33 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:So, why waste a few weels of camp, an entire preseason, and a few weeks of the regular season on a player that we know is gonna end up off the field anyways?

Because we don't know that. Sorry, but RGIII getting hurt is not the foregone conclusion some of you think it is.

How many times has he been injured since being here?

Twice.

Prowl33 wrote:now how many times has he been hit hard and taken a long time to get uo because he was hurt but not bad enough to come off the field?

Irrelevant, because he did, in fact, get up.

Prowl33 wrote:Nothing is 100%. But if you look at the odds, they are well in favor of him not making it a whole season.

I disagree. Despite the injury in 2012, he only missed one start that year. He missed none in 2013 due to injury, despite being as immobile (and therefore unable to avoid taking hits) as any time in his career. Last year he missed several games, due a non-hit related injury. I'd say that the odds are in his favor, rather than against him.

Prowl33 wrote:If Griffin wasnt a Redskin but had the EXACT same history with another team. He was a FA this year, we had a decent QB but not a franchise one. Would you want to pick up a 4th year QB who has had only 1 succesful season, was benched for performance, has missed considerable time for injury, has had multiple injuries, and has the bad press deserved or not that Griffin has?

If your answer is honestly yes, you would pick up that QB in FA... Then you just followed the path that every single person HATES about our front office of the last 15+ years.

Again, this is totally irrelevant to whether or not we should make him the starter if he is equal to or better than Cousins in a QB competition, because you think he is injury prone.

Prowl33 wrote:Name to me a single franchise QB that has missed, and played injured, as high of a percentage of time on the field as Griffin.

Aaron Rodgers