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chiefhog44 wrote:Barry has an awful record as a coach as a DC with multiple teams. He hasn't been successful. I thought the same of Haslet before he was hired. It's really not that complicated. I could and hope I'm wrong but most likely will not be.

Redskin in Canada wrote:The stupid thing about this hiring is that, just when Snyder and Allen had given hope about letting a true football GM do his job, we go back to cronyism and bad choices.

Although Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan will oversee the construction of the 2015 Redskins’ roster, he said he does not intend to hire the team’s next defensive coordinator.

That responsibility, McCloughan said, belongs to Jay Gruden.

“It’s Jay’s call,” McCloughan said. “The head coach hires the coaches.”

Which signals another bit of change in protocol under McCloughan. He feels strongly that Gruden's staff decisions must be left up to Gruden, who has been interviewing candidates since parting ways with Jim Haslett on Dec. 31.

fredp45 wrote:Wow, everyone is all worked up over this hire. Scot should add 3-4 good defensive players from the draft and free agency this year and next and if we don't improve, Jay and Joe will be gone.

IMO, adding quality players over the next couple years is the most thing anyway!

Having coaches that get along is really important --Jay and Bruce must like this guy, think they can get along with him, let it happen!

I know this has to be a Danny hire as no one likes him!

Redskin in Canada wrote:

riggofan wrote:What a crock.

ok brother, if and when the media points at the different views at the FO, I will bring it to your attention. As usual, it will take time but you will confirm.

riggofan wrote: Coaches need players.

Agreed. This is a rebuilding organization.

But the converse is also true:

Players need coaches. You screw one side up, and the other also pays the consequences.

The stupid thing about this hiring is that, just when Snyder and Allen had given hope about letting a true football GM do his job, we go back to cronyism and bad choices. I guess we will all have to forgive the many thousands who see this project as a LONGER term process if AT ALL

fredp45 wrote:Wow, everyone is all worked up over this hire. Scot should add 3-4 good defensive players from the draft and free agency this year and next and if we don't improve, Jay and Joe will be gone.

IMO, adding quality players over the next couple years is the most important thing anyway!

Having coaches that get along is really important --Jay and Bruce must like this guy, think they can get along with him, let it happen!

I know this has to be a Danny hire as no one likes him!

PulpExposure wrote:

fredp45 wrote:Wow, everyone is all worked up over this hire. Scot should add 3-4 good defensive players from the draft and free agency this year and next and if we don't improve, Jay and Joe will be gone.

IMO, adding quality players over the next couple years is the most important thing anyway!

Having coaches that get along is really important --Jay and Bruce must like this guy, think they can get along with him, let it happen!

I know this has to be a Danny hire as no one likes him!

So it may not be that easy. Let's say that the GM drafts players to fit our system* and we ditch the coaches after this year. Next coach goes to a 4-3. Well we just wasted a year of draft picks, free agents, and player development then. It's not exactly as simple as plug and play.

*Despite talk about BPA, we wouldn't draft an undersized, penetrating DT, for example, because that player just doesn't work in a 3-4. Or a small sized OLB, like a Derrick Brooks, because 3-4 LBs are all big.

DEHog wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

riggofan wrote:What a crock.

ok brother, if and when the media points at the different views at the FO, I will bring it to your attention. As usual, it will take time but you will confirm.

riggofan wrote: Coaches need players.

Agreed. This is a rebuilding organization.

But the converse is also true:

Players need coaches. You screw one side up, and the other also pays the consequences.

The stupid thing about this hiring is that, just when Snyder and Allen had given hope about letting a true football GM do his job, we go back to cronyism and bad choices. I guess we will all have to forgive the many thousands who see this project as a LONGER term process if AT ALL

So if Fangio was hired it would have been SM call, but since Barry was hired it was Allen??

PulpExposure wrote:So it may not be that easy. Let's say that the GM drafts players to fit our system* and we ditch the coaches after this year. Next coach goes to a 4-3. Well we just wasted a year of draft picks, free agents, and player development then. It's not exactly as simple as plug and play.

fredp45 wrote:Damn, are all Canadians as prickly as you today?

You sound like you're in the know...or just surmising like the rest of us??

Let me be clear:

This is a Jay Gruden choice regardless of who is chosen. The final decision is made when THAT choice is brought up to the attention of the FO because the Team hires, not the HC. Different FO members may and often do give their views but it is STILL the prerogative of the HC to make the decision in most cases. This is a Jay Gruden choice notwithstanding different views in support and others offering other options. Clear now?

DEHog wrote:

Let me be clear:

This is a Jay Gruden choice regardless of who is chosen. The final decision is made when THAT choice is brought up to the attention of the FO because the Team hires, not the HC. Different FO members may and often do give their views but it is STILL the prerogative of the HC to make the decision in most cases. This is a Jay Gruden choice notwithstanding different views in support and others offering other options. Clear now?

No?? Your saying Gruden doesn't have final say...

Redskin in Canada wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:So it may not be that easy. Let's say that the GM drafts players to fit our system* and we ditch the coaches after this year. Next coach goes to a 4-3. Well we just wasted a year of draft picks, free agents, and player development then. It's not exactly as simple as plug and play.

+1

Redskin in Canada wrote:Just like all ... but keep your eye on the media. This hire will be heavily scrutinised by the media. You will confirm.

riggofan wrote:I'm actually finding this topic about our 4-3 v 3-4 personnel kind of funny. How many guys on that defense are we actually hoping will be around in another two or three years???

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Gruden said an official offer was never extended to Fangio. Said they felt like his mind was already made up on Chicago.
12:48 PM - 20 Jan 2015